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Put an ad on Craigslist for designers and you will get 200 responses.

I hired a guy who did 5 really good pieces for me for $200, I got input on all 5, he did 3-4 revisions on each, he brought great insight and ideas.

He was grateful for the cash, I felt guilty knowing I was gonna make that $200 back in a matter of hours...

Some tips: Stay away from overseas guys, look at the portfolio, keep it simple, keep it flexible, find a good guy and send him business even when you dont need him (A/b test something you already have) just to keep you on his favorites list.
 


What I'm saying is that newbies affiliate marketers starting out can study existing landing pages and learn from them.

If you are working from a blank slate, it would be better to emulate something that works.

Copyright extends to the express of an idea, not the idea/concept itself.

I wouldn't advocate ripping off an entire site. Just the landing page.

Obviously if someone can improve on an existing page, and it becomes something better, it'll lead to better conversions and the copyright issue doesn't come in.

I don't recommend wholesale copying, but if you're going to copy, do it intelligently. it's important to figure out what works, why it works and improve from it.

I've spoken to newbies who had no idea how to start, and my recommendation to copy/emulate what works in terms of a landing page (changing enough elements so that it becomes theirs), is a better solution than writing something from scratch.


Kieron said:
"Quaint?"???

I'm not saying that you should reinvent the wheel at all. What I am saying is that you shouldn't copy your competitors. And I would never advocate anything like "Save the page source and hack out what you don't understand."

As someone who has had countless sites ripped off I would really advise against this, unless of course you want a legal battle.

To be successful in affiliate marketing, especially a crowded niche then you need to stand out and be original. Don't scrape or copy sites whatever you do. Yes, learn from your competitors but don't copy them. Anyone can be a leech, its not difficult :eek:
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The idea of a forum is to have an intelligent discussion, and obviously people will have different opinions.

If the best you can do, is to use name calling as a response, I think it reflects more on you than anyone else.

I haven't sucked anyone's cock in my life, but I guess you are just feeling frustrated.

chrislingle said:
hey wee man, um you make $80 on a good day, Kieron makes that in a bad 15 minutes maybe even less!
here is a quaint idea for you andrew - shut the fuck up you ebook selling cock sucker!
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Did I say you should get involved with the guts of programming?


I was refering to having a rudimentary understanding of what's technically possible.

I wasn't saying you have to be a PHP or C# guru.

If you have an understanding of what's technically possible and how you can use it, it helps you understanding your marketing options.

cyberworkspace said:
no.

because technical aspects do imho not matter at all in order to be successfull at marketing. you could as well demand that anyone should know a bit about python to be able to do business online. or perl. or why not c++. or c, so we can modify the kernel itself.

dealing with technical aspects of your online presence only sucks up time that you should better spend on polishing your marketing concept. there are thousands of people out there who will be better at html and php than i will ever be, so there is no reason for me to even discuss with them the use of a certain programming language for solving a certain problem, as i will always leave the choice to the programmer. i want a solution to my problems, not a technical blueprint outlining the problem.

anything that i am not able to do on a world-class level gets outsourced or offshored. to people who can do it on world-class level :D
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andrew wee said:
Did I say you should get involved with the guts of programming?
I was refering to having a rudimentary understanding of what's technically possible.
I wasn't saying you have to be a PHP or C# guru.
If you have an understanding of what's technically possible and how you can use it, it helps you understanding your marketing options.
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i really do not think so. in fact i am really tech-savvy but often enough this is a hinderance as i still tend to deal with thechnical issue when i should know better and focus on business matters instead.

if i would know nothing about programming, i would tell my programmer/developer "i want the customer to be able to provide some sort of feedback to me".

and a good developer would ask"you want feedback in realtime, or can it be an email?". and then he would make proposals, based on using certain technoliges to fulfill my demand for feeback from the customer.

i myself would have to know nothing about the technical aspects. i would just have to know about the concept and importancy of consumer feedback.

and that is what tech-oriented people often forget. all the tools and gadgets do not substitute solid knowledge about the marketing process itself, which is anything but not a technological area.

and that is, what a whole industry lives on: the best business people are hiring experts in their field to do some work that enables the business people to earn money :)
 
programming skills (like php or c#) help me come up with new marketing strategies i might not have thought of otherwise so it depends on who you are and what works for you i guess...as with outsourcing landing pages im sure you can cook up anything to outsource and some copywriter/designer will be able to hook you up.. try the freelancer sites like elance, rentacoder and you will get good results for this

mk
 
wee man - your problem is you are some dumb ass who is stuck in the 1990's. You will never make any real money now or in the future because you are so worried about the "system" well here is your other idea for the day, suck your wifes dick!
 
You are a sad and bitter man.

If hurling empty, pitiful insults at me helps you feel a little better, then I'm happy to play a small part in filling your empty existence.


chrislingle said:
wee man - your problem is you are some dumb ass who is stuck in the 1990's. You will never make any real money now or in the future because you are so worried about the "system" well here is your other idea for the day, suck your wifes dick!
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chrislingle said:
wee man - your problem is you are some dumb ass who is stuck in the 1990's. You will never make any real money now or in the future because you are so worried about the "system" well here is your other idea for the day, suck your wifes dick!
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Hahahahahahahaha! Damn Chris! You forgot to mention what he should do with his wifes cum after sucking her off.
 
I love this site...

IMO it would be best to focus on your strengths and outsource the rest... if you are a sick coder, hire a writer - and vice versa.

Sure some people can do both - and I am jealous - but I know that I cannot code well yet, but I have a ton of ideas and I am a very good writer/marketer. If I took the time to learn how to code well it would delay the things I am working on much too long... I am not lazy, just thinking of how the rest of the world does business.

You could always partner w/ a friend who codes - that would be pretty cool, and you'd have a sounding board for your ideas as well.
 
"I wouldn't advocate ripping off an entire site. Just the landing page."

andrew wee said:
What I'm saying is that newbies affiliate marketers starting out can study existing landing pages and learn from them.

If you are working from a blank slate, it would be better to emulate something that works.

Copyright extends to the express of an idea, not the idea/concept itself.

I wouldn't advocate ripping off an entire site. Just the landing page.

Obviously if someone can improve on an existing page, and it becomes something better, it'll lead to better conversions and the copyright issue doesn't come in.

I don't recommend wholesale copying, but if you're going to copy, do it intelligently. it's important to figure out what works, why it works and improve from it.

I've spoken to newbies who had no idea how to start, and my recommendation to copy/emulate what works in terms of a landing page (changing enough elements so that it becomes theirs), is a better solution than writing something from scratch.
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Ripping off a landing page and altering it is called a derived work, yes it is against copyright laws, yes it violates the DMCA

Taken straight from the horses mouth:
U.S. Copyright Office -Copyright Registration for Derivative Works (Circular 14)

Who May Prepare a Derivative Work?

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. The owner is generally the author or someone who has obtained rights from the author.


But if you want to rip off other people's sites then feel free, I guess in singapore you can steal whatever you want.
 
WTF Is going one here?

Hey, people are different, enough said. I think people do some dumb fuckin shit and are worthless, but fine, if that makes them happy, fuckit, I could care less as long as they keep that shit out of my face. Some people think it's stupid because I pack multiple weapons almost anywhere I go and that I'm paranoid and I laugh at them, like well when you get your ass gets shot and I put 50 rounds in the bitch who shot you will see what you think then.

Point being some people do shit differently, I kicked it with both Lingle and Wee man in Vegas and in my opinion from what I saw they are both cool. Very different, indeed, so I can see why they don't like eachother, but I'm the kind of guy who gets along with alot of people. Saying that, some people piss me off, and then I shoot them and leave them for dead, but they gotta do some shit to earn that.

So blah blah dee dum blah, enough yelling, and just tell me some cool LP shit. Black hat or not, if it works and makes me $$$$$$$, I don't give a fuck.

By they way, Chris, I sent you a pm about my new shit, get back to me if you're not to busy man.

L8ts,

Jason
 
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