Margins - How much does the AVERAGE Network Take?

MistorToker

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I was looking to white label/ go direct on some offers that have been healthy for me over the past few months because X network can't afford to help me a dime more per conversion..... Not going to throw names, but their prestigious pay bumps put me up by only ~10%, after which my AM said he can't give me more or else they would be at a loss.

Do all networks really run this slim? I assume a couple million dollar disparity between rev rate and network margins if that's the case.... Besides having a direct liability to the advertiser and not being able to A/B test consolidated offers in a vertical, why the fuck do people not make that direct relationship? Could some network head clarify here....
 


It hugely depends on the niche/offer/network. I've seen networks that run on like a 50% margin to other networks running on next to nothing.

A thing I quickly learned about when I got started is some like to have high payouts to claim they run on low margin then just scrub you to make up there margin.

Most people don't go direct because they never know how much they are loosing. Networks like the one you are dealing with always say "if we go any higher we will loose money" and people, myself included at first, believe them for some reason. For example I've since learned an offer I pushed for awhile I was getting paid $48 and the network got $60. The network tried to pretend they got paid $50 (this offer had a street payout of $42) and I believed them at the time. My mistake and I was lazy because my ROI was still good.

I'd suggest switching the traffic to another network if you have the option, cutting off there money is the best negotiation tactic I think. I'd be willing to bet they will suddenly have more room to go up if your traffic stops.
 
There's lots of risks in going direct. Usually, it's over a few cents or $2. It shouldn't make or break your ROI. Some networks are margin whores, personally I'm not greedy and most of the offers we street, we collect cents per lead or we'll go marginless if need be. It really depends on the advertiser and the network you're dealing with. Without an extensive analysis, quick cash flow is another reason why you should deal with networks. I've seen Net60 payment terms and worse, it's horrible. If your network really wants your business, they will run marginless for you or get you pay bumps that work in your favor.
 
depends if you are male / female or if your AM is male / female and if you want to fuck him / her.
 
There's lots of risks in going direct. Usually, it's over a few cents or $2. It shouldn't make or break your ROI. Some networks are margin whores, personally I'm not greedy and most of the offers we street, we collect cents per lead or we'll go marginless if need be. It really depends on the advertiser and the network you're dealing with. Without an extensive analysis, quick cash flow is another reason why you should deal with networks. I've seen Net60 payment terms and worse, it's horrible. If your network really wants your business, they will run marginless for you or get you pay bumps that work in your favor.
breakage ftwwwwww, right?
 
In all honesty, it's probably roughly 15-20% across the board. Keep in mind most networks will tell you their only making 10-12%, but with overage and scrubs they make more. Now if the network owns the offer, then an entirely different conversation.
 
15-20%

generally less if they are brokering the offer to another network (who then takes the same or slightly less to stay somewhat competitive).
 
There's lots of risks in going direct. Usually, it's over a few cents or $2. It shouldn't make or break your ROI. Some networks are margin whores, personally I'm not greedy and most of the offers we street, we collect cents per lead or we'll go marginless if need be. It really depends on the advertiser and the network you're dealing with. Without an extensive analysis, quick cash flow is another reason why you should deal with networks. I've seen Net60 payment terms and worse, it's horrible. If your network really wants your business, they will run marginless for you or get you pay bumps that work in your favor.

i can attest to his margin-less techniques.
 
15-20%, I wish! Maybe that is average network, but here our margins are much lower for large affiliates. We have affiliates we wire $1M+ weekly that we take less than 5%, especially on non-exclusive offers.

I can say that on many offers, we can actual loose money (depending on the back end) since we monetize and own many of them. Many networks shave leads, so their margins magically grow :)

There are a at least 20 or so networks out there that we work with that we pay them weekly net 0 and take less than 5%, to help them with their cash flow.
 
I was looking to white label/ go direct on some offers that have been healthy for me over the past few months because X network can't afford to help me a dime more per conversion..... Not going to throw names, but their prestigious pay bumps put me up by only ~10%, after which my AM said he can't give me more or else they would be at a loss.

Do all networks really run this slim? I assume a couple million dollar disparity between rev rate and network margins if that's the case.... Besides having a direct liability to the advertiser and not being able to A/B test consolidated offers in a vertical, why the fuck do people not make that direct relationship? Could some network head clarify here....
You'll read some responses here with networks one-upping themselves on how low their margins are, like this is some kind of reverse "my e-penis is bigger than yours" game. Really, none of it means anything because your question doesn't have an easy one-line answer.

Spread across all affiliates, spread across all campaigns, networks will take an average of 10-20% margin. Sure, networks will take very low margin on some campaigns for some affiliates, but that is basically the exception for high-volume affiliates and not the rule. Anyone who says any differently is BSing and trying to look good on this thread.

With the exception of networks that are one or two man shops and run out of someone's home office, no network can survive on overall margins of less than 10%. When you add up salaries, office space rental, utilities, server/bandwidth costs, banking fees, advertising/promotions, conferences, legal costs, deadbeat merchant write-offs, etc, it can EASILY eat up 10% of revenues.

So when network X tells you they can't bump your rate higher, unless you are driving a shit-ton of traffic, they're probably being honest with you.

Affiliates certainly have the option of trying to go direct with merchants, but there are a few things that affiliate should know beforehand when making their decisions:

- Merchants rarely pay net15, and many merchant require friendly reminders to even get theirs bills paid on a net30 basis.
- When a merchant defaults completely, you are the one out of pocket.
- Not all merchants run with a "same rate for everyone" mentality. Often times merchants will hold-back a few % and it's up to you to find out and call them on it, and then hope they'll match.
- Merchant contractual terms are often stronger than network terms and it is harder for an affiliate who bends (not breaks) the rules to hide.
- Merchants are not always as responsive to requests as networks.
- Many merchants are difficult to find and won't even bother speaking with you unless you are driving good volume.

This doesn't obviously apply across the board. Some merchants are great to work with, some not so great. You have to decide if the higher rate is worth the hassle you will undoubtedly run into with some merchants.

I've read in many threads how some affiliates think that the only job a network really does is float cash. That's actually only part of the truth. Our biggest job is managing relationships, and you'd be amazed at how much work that entails. But we typically do it well, and that's why affiliates can get the impression all we do is float cash, because they're hidden from a lot of the BS.

I could probably go on further, but I've already written a book-length response, so I'll end it here.
 
I'll tell you this: if I get a bid from a builder who tells me that they're going to make 1% on my $2M home build while floating significant risk I'm going to walk the other way figuring they're a) desperate and bad, b) lying sacks of shit, or c) just dumb. Either way I don't do business with people like that.
 
I'll tell you this: if I get a bid from a builder who tells me that they're going to make 1% on my $2M home build while floating significant risk I'm going to walk the other way figuring they're a) desperate and bad, b) lying sacks of shit, or c) just dumb. Either way I don't do business with people like that.

^^^^^^^^^^

damn you nailed it.
 
1% I wouldn't agree with, 4-5% makes it worth while. Don't forget for an affiliate network, its not a home being built, but its a 30 day credit cycle.
 
1% I wouldn't agree with, 4-5% makes it worth while. Don't forget for an affiliate network, its not a home being built, but its a 30 day credit cycle.

4-5% before all the pixel misfires to benefit the network or recurring revenue monthly for subscribers that stick?

sure- absolutely good deal.
 
I'll tell you this: if I get a bid from a builder who tells me that they're going to make 1% on my $2M home build while floating significant risk I'm going to walk the other way figuring they're a) desperate and bad, b) lying sacks of shit, or c) just dumb. Either way I don't do business with people like that.

^^ This
 
network make a shitload off of "pixels misfire", many do it on purpose, i know a very "reputable" network on here that makes 10 to 20% on misfires, pretty sure its designed on purpose but they like to blame it on the software.
 
We take from 5-25% based primarily on risk. If someone is prepaying and there's good volume I'll go down to 5% margin. But at the other end of the spectrum if someone's pay history is spotty or I've heard they've fucked a lot of other people we're going to take a much larger margin to try and protect ourselves should they not pay. Which happens a lot. As many of you know, I've lost that bet a lot of times. But we all learn with age and experience.