My 2 Biggest Weapons to Scale up IM
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There is no reason not to use the WF Buy / Sell section to find a writer. It's easy to tell who's good / bad by their post and reviews in the thread.
The problem is, if they're good, they're usually bombarded with work. Textbroker is more of an on-demand kind of service. If I feel like throwing up a new site tomorrow I'll put a 1 day turnaround time on TB and bam. Try doing that with a good writer who's got 50 clients.
Great thread...I would agree with m0rtal. The idea is scaling and having 1 or 2 go to writers here that are quality is good, but you won't be able to crank content out as fast as TB. I haven't tried them yet, but I may just give it a shot for some of my project sites.
Thanks Mont, for the share.
Thanks Mont, for the share.
I completely agree with you. I was wondering the same thing myself, however I gave them a whirl and so far so good. I get the same quality from here as I would a 4 star from TB.
True that "content gorilla" are cheaper than TB, BUT:
1. They seem to always deliver articles on the last day of w/e deadline you set (3 or 5 days).
2. Their spintax service is complete shit. TB don't do spintax so this is just a random observation.
What do you buy on Fiverr? How easy is it to manage 10-20 gigs at once?
+1 rep given - especially after I saw that they have Wordpress plugin that gets the content directly from TB into your site.
The Textbroker Wordpress Plug-in
The Textbroker Wordpress Plug-in
you are right here hemux is the shit. I used TB back in 09 and did not have a problem with them though. Just like hemux because him and his team are cheap and simple to use.
will check your other mentioned tool for sure.
for anyone who wants to use TB here is a simple script you can use that makes bulk ordering keywords much easier.
Please write about [PLH]. Do not write from the first person. Include paragraphs.
Include:
- What [PLH] is/are
- The benefits of [PLH]
- Who would need [PLH]
- Why someone would want [PLH]
- When someone would want/need [PLH]
Include the term “[PLH]” twice in your article, once in the first paragraph, and once again in the last paragraph. You may include variations on the phrase [PLH] throughout the remainder of your article.
Write as though trying to convince someone to purchase [PLH].
The text may not, in whole or in part, be copied or transcribed from any other source. It must be 100% original and unique.
PLH would be where you would want each of your keywords to stand in . So for example you would give the writer all your keywords you would want content written for and then give them this script to act as a guide for each of those keywords.
Also mentioning having good LSI integration / choosing a writer who knows how to do this or has a background is SEO/SEM is also useful.
hope that helps
Please write about [PLH]. Do not write from the first person. Include paragraphs.
Include:
- What [PLH] is/are
- The benefits of [PLH]
- Who would need [PLH]
- Why someone would want [PLH]
- When someone would want/need [PLH]
Include the term “[PLH]” twice in your article, once in the first paragraph, and once again in the last paragraph. You may include variations on the phrase [PLH] throughout the remainder of your article.
Write as though trying to convince someone to purchase [PLH].
The text may not, in whole or in part, be copied or transcribed from any other source. It must be 100% original and unique.
PLH would be where you would want each of your keywords to stand in . So for example you would give the writer all your keywords you would want content written for and then give them this script to act as a guide for each of those keywords.
Also mentioning having good LSI integration / choosing a writer who knows how to do this or has a background is SEO/SEM is also useful.
hope that helps
I've written a lot for TB and I still do direct orders through them, so maybe it's not in my best interest to say this, but the only difference between a lot of 4-star writers and 5-star writers is that the 4-star writers haven't passed a super difficult proofreading test. You have to pass the test to get promoted.
You get one try on the test every three months. There are ten sentences, each with four possible corrections, and you have to choose the corrections (1 or more) that are acceptable. If you get more than one question wrong, you fail the test. I've gotten 8/10 on it twice. I know a guy who asked a couple of English professors about the questions and got them to agree on the answers (they were husband and wife) and only made a 7/10.
Regardless of what TB support tells you, they tell writers that they only promote/demote based on the proofreading test and what level the editors rate your articles.
good share mont7071 -
i checked out textbroker just now b/c of you and didn't like their pricing though. $11-$12 is just to much for me.
Im not sure how everyone defines scale, I guess its different to everyone. However, I like to say I scale by kinda doing the same things, but at different marketplaces and with different methods.
When I need links, I have several automated tools at my disposal that really allow me to scale ( so i think ). I also use Fiverr and the WF B/S/T section. I actually like all of these at the same time.
For my links, i'll quickly set up some projects in Backlinksgenie and Linkpushing ( subscription services ) based on some templates I have already set up in place. I will then throw the same targets into my blog commenting system I sell here and also buy a couple of services on WF and then throw some shit into SeNuke/BMD that I run on a few computers. Takes me about an hour to set it up/pay/and make note in Excel but it runs for days and I know it will get done to my liking.
For content though, I went thru the process of finding a ton of people on Craigslist until I could narrow it down to some writers I really liked. It took a long ass time to find these people and it wasnt easy. However, I finally go to the point of narrowing down about 10 writers out of maybe 900 that could meet deadlines, accept my price point, follow directions, and have 4-5 star ratings on their work. Granted, it took forever to find these people, but now when I need work I hit them up and first one available gets the gig.
I pay $3 for a 500 word article, its perfect English, have never had to ask for a rewrite, and I have a group of 10 people to lean on. I even have a lady who holds a Masters in English from Ball State Uni. that writes for me at that price ( she is old and disabled, so she takes jobs like this to supplement her income ).
For someone that has deadline or needs work now, finding content on WF or CL without already knowing who to hit is a waste of time. However, if you hit up places like textbrokers to get your work now, while also trying to find dependable people in other places, you can build up a nice little network and get it for cheaper when you finally get to that point.
i checked out textbroker just now b/c of you and didn't like their pricing though. $11-$12 is just to much for me.
Im not sure how everyone defines scale, I guess its different to everyone. However, I like to say I scale by kinda doing the same things, but at different marketplaces and with different methods.
When I need links, I have several automated tools at my disposal that really allow me to scale ( so i think ). I also use Fiverr and the WF B/S/T section. I actually like all of these at the same time.
For my links, i'll quickly set up some projects in Backlinksgenie and Linkpushing ( subscription services ) based on some templates I have already set up in place. I will then throw the same targets into my blog commenting system I sell here and also buy a couple of services on WF and then throw some shit into SeNuke/BMD that I run on a few computers. Takes me about an hour to set it up/pay/and make note in Excel but it runs for days and I know it will get done to my liking.
For content though, I went thru the process of finding a ton of people on Craigslist until I could narrow it down to some writers I really liked. It took a long ass time to find these people and it wasnt easy. However, I finally go to the point of narrowing down about 10 writers out of maybe 900 that could meet deadlines, accept my price point, follow directions, and have 4-5 star ratings on their work. Granted, it took forever to find these people, but now when I need work I hit them up and first one available gets the gig.
I pay $3 for a 500 word article, its perfect English, have never had to ask for a rewrite, and I have a group of 10 people to lean on. I even have a lady who holds a Masters in English from Ball State Uni. that writes for me at that price ( she is old and disabled, so she takes jobs like this to supplement her income ).
For someone that has deadline or needs work now, finding content on WF or CL without already knowing who to hit is a waste of time. However, if you hit up places like textbrokers to get your work now, while also trying to find dependable people in other places, you can build up a nice little network and get it for cheaper when you finally get to that point.
I'd think with WF buy/sell section it is always a crap shoot. There is a great amount of value in having a defined, repeatable, efficient process to get something done. Poking around in the forums is none of those. Plus - how often does anybody that is contacted for services say "I don't have time I can't do that right now".
I bookmarked TB and added a todo to revisit it in two weeks. It still looks like a great find.
I bookmarked TB and added a todo to revisit it in two weeks. It still looks like a great find.
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Good tips Mont and eliquid. Question for you guys regarding managing it all...
A few years ago I had a handful of freelance writers, but it became a major pain in the ass. I had anywhere from 25-50 articles written a day, which turned into a bit of a headache. While the writers were producing solid content and they met deadlines, but I felt like I was in a middle management position. Plus it took quite a bit of time to quickly review all the content, add images, tags, etc and post them on my sites.
The collection of the articles and publishing was annoying monkey work, but not sure it was something that could be outsourced with confidence. Plus the communication with all the writers was at times a headache that seemed should be easily eliminated.
How are you guys streamlining all the content creation, keeping them informed on keywords to target, and having it properly published while keeping it pretty much hands off?
Come to think of it, I did give 1 or 2 writers logins to my wordpress sites, but even then it required some work.
A few years ago I had a handful of freelance writers, but it became a major pain in the ass. I had anywhere from 25-50 articles written a day, which turned into a bit of a headache. While the writers were producing solid content and they met deadlines, but I felt like I was in a middle management position. Plus it took quite a bit of time to quickly review all the content, add images, tags, etc and post them on my sites.
The collection of the articles and publishing was annoying monkey work, but not sure it was something that could be outsourced with confidence. Plus the communication with all the writers was at times a headache that seemed should be easily eliminated.
How are you guys streamlining all the content creation, keeping them informed on keywords to target, and having it properly published while keeping it pretty much hands off?
Come to think of it, I did give 1 or 2 writers logins to my wordpress sites, but even then it required some work.
For me, I still spend a few minutes writing the TB descriptions myself, I am always trying to find that "sweet spot" between automation vs. losing control of the process.
Lately, I've delegated some of the less-important TB content requisition assignments to one of my VA's who is now trained on my strategic gameplan, and I still do the ultra high-level ones. I still pretty much hand-pick the fiverr jobs myself, but you can get alot of them assigned/churning with just a tiny bit of your own time involvement with their system.
Over the last year I've scaled down from 3 in-house (but offshore) writers to one in-house and then I supplement with Textbroker as needed. It's not cheap for good work but it's a great way for people to get started.
But on that note, I've had a very lite load of work for my writer in the last couple weeks and if anyone wants to purchase a few articles off me through him let me know. $5 an article minimum of 5 articles.
But on that note, I've had a very lite load of work for my writer in the last couple weeks and if anyone wants to purchase a few articles off me through him let me know. $5 an article minimum of 5 articles.
I like your strategy ... how are you finding LinkPushing and Backlinksgenie in comparison with SENukeX? Any preference between the two as I was looking into them.
Can they really be run on their own or does it take quite a bit of monitoring?
Thanks!
If that were me, id either hire someone to have done that or made that part of the writers job to do. Payment is dependent on how successful they were on completing the whole project, not just part of it.
honestly, I made my writers add their own images and tags and also proof read it. I know you want to check it yourself, but a good run thru of CopyScape, some random sentence checks in google, paste into Gmail or Word for obvious spell check/grammar issues, and your done.
I was on the fence for a long time with linkspushing, but the service has got better. I would much rather hand this shit off to them then run senuke and worry about my server or desktop shutting off or the app closing down. shit is excellent. I still use SeNuke, but there is always that chance your desktop updates, power goes out, senuke fucks up, etc....