What methods are you using for new IP constraint? (VPS, dedicated server, VPN services)
New AdWords account
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What methods are you using for new IP constraint? (VPS, dedicated server, VPN services)
I'm trying to make conclusions from all the information that came up in this and related threads, and try to analyze the risks of subsequent tries of creating new accounts:
1) IP
Method: new VPS used.
Risks: Blacklisted, previously used, known proxy, ...
Actions: perform sanity checks - check DNS records, search IP history, ...
Does it make any sense that Google is manually reviewing (or even ban) accounts opened from known VPS /dedicated servers? Maybe such accounts are marked as 'high risk' from the beginning?
2) Account Name
Method: using new hotmail / yahoo email
Risks: Public email might be suspicious
Actions: ?
Anyone with suggestions for this constraint? does using hotmail / yahoo email accounts is considered safe for new adwords accounts?
3) Privacy
Method: new Virtual Machine.
Risks: ?
4) Privacy (Google Editor)
Risks: match banned campaigns by leaking information on Hardware (VM, devices, ...), OS (Serial no, registry), Network: (MAC, gateway IP, subnet, ...)
Actions: Make as different configuration as possible, not use it.
Anyone with knowledge / information on this issue? Is it a realistic threat?
5) Domain
Methods: use different Domain
Risks: same details as domains related to banned accounts, new domain.
Actions: register with fake details even w/ Private registration, different registrars, use expired domains.
6) Work Patterns
Risks: pattern matched banned campaigns.
Actions: different structure, different content, start account with mainstream product (?)
7) Payment
Method: new Credit Card used
Risks: name similar to banned accounts, CC issued from different country than country of registration, transaction failed due to mismatched details, and many more..
Actions: ?
Usually I manage to successfully pass the automated verification (first transaction) on the account.
Do you consider the risks to be reasonable, even if transaction was completed successfully?
Is it possible that on manual review of the account these parameters are also considered?
Summary:
I'm having hard time deciding if it really requires such an effort to open a new account or I'm just being failed by the small details (or something i am missing).
Because it seem that many people out there are successfully creating accounts quite easily.
Please post any comments on the above analysis.
1) IP
Method: new VPS used.
Risks: Blacklisted, previously used, known proxy, ...
Actions: perform sanity checks - check DNS records, search IP history, ...
Does it make any sense that Google is manually reviewing (or even ban) accounts opened from known VPS /dedicated servers? Maybe such accounts are marked as 'high risk' from the beginning?
2) Account Name
Method: using new hotmail / yahoo email
Risks: Public email might be suspicious
Actions: ?
Anyone with suggestions for this constraint? does using hotmail / yahoo email accounts is considered safe for new adwords accounts?
3) Privacy
Method: new Virtual Machine.
Risks: ?
4) Privacy (Google Editor)
Risks: match banned campaigns by leaking information on Hardware (VM, devices, ...), OS (Serial no, registry), Network: (MAC, gateway IP, subnet, ...)
Actions: Make as different configuration as possible, not use it.
Anyone with knowledge / information on this issue? Is it a realistic threat?
5) Domain
Methods: use different Domain
Risks: same details as domains related to banned accounts, new domain.
Actions: register with fake details even w/ Private registration, different registrars, use expired domains.
6) Work Patterns
Risks: pattern matched banned campaigns.
Actions: different structure, different content, start account with mainstream product (?)
7) Payment
Method: new Credit Card used
Risks: name similar to banned accounts, CC issued from different country than country of registration, transaction failed due to mismatched details, and many more..
Actions: ?
Usually I manage to successfully pass the automated verification (first transaction) on the account.
Do you consider the risks to be reasonable, even if transaction was completed successfully?
Is it possible that on manual review of the account these parameters are also considered?
Summary:
I'm having hard time deciding if it really requires such an effort to open a new account or I'm just being failed by the small details (or something i am missing).
Because it seem that many people out there are successfully creating accounts quite easily.
Please post any comments on the above analysis.
You think people will really give you directions and steps to move in, while they're seriously profitable themselves?
I'm not gonna say what, but your pretty damn close to figuring out the flags yourself.
Oh and listen to mattk he knows his shit.
Why not run an ad that will pass the manual review? Then Afterwards try and run your campaign. To me i think something small your missing. That most people don't think about. Or they are flagging everyone thats trying to run w/e keywords your trying to run.
Yes, why not? I believe there's plenty of room for everyone. And, we're not necessarily competing on the same market.
Once I was banned I never tried to setup a new account for one reason!
How the heck do you keep your books/accounts if you are spending 4 figures a day with a made up name and address. Would that not raise some serious red flags when your accountant sees the invoices? Would fucking love to know!
How the heck do you keep your books/accounts if you are spending 4 figures a day with a made up name and address. Would that not raise some serious red flags when your accountant sees the invoices? Would fucking love to know!
I'm not sure, I would much prefer to have this problem and be making 4 figures a day than to not have the problem and not have to worry about what my accountant thinks though.
Save yourself some trouble worrying about this and just go get yourself a cheap Windows VPS. Log into it through RDP whenever you want to do any of your shady stuff.
How would adwords make the result any different?
A remote desktop connection is like a virtual window to another server. Unless Google has control over your server, they'll never know your real IP.
It's a completely different computer.
Are there any specific attributes of the VPS that i should check/verify before using it for adwords?
Like, how bad is it if the RDNS record suggest this IP is a VPS?
I don't see how that could matter really. There are so many companies using cloud servers now it wouldn't make any real sense to penalize someone just because their IP indicates one method of accessing the web over another.
get new skirt, new desk, get new ID, change your name get a new wife new house and a CAR, move to another city or to be safe new Country, change your style and manners, do a plastic surgery, change eye color, these are the basics for creating new AdWords account but hey might still be able to track you down, so the best and sure option is to be born again