Newbie affiliate marketing question

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diamondmike

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I am ad advertiser on a commission network, and recently started dabbling in CPA on the publisher side. However, before I go any further with it, I want to hear from some people who actually know what the hell they are doing, and I possibly can save some time.

I outsource some web development and recently talked with him about CPA on the publisher side. He told me that he has one partner in the US that he works with as a publisher. He drives traffic to the offers via email. He says they were making $10,000 a month and splitting the profit. Not knowing alot about the publisher side, I said sure, prove to me that you can do this. So, I gave him access to my publisher account, and low and behold, poof.... He has been generating $200-$300 per day per offer.

Has has over 100,000 email addresses in one particular niche. I have We have been doing this for almost a month now. I have spoken to my affiliate manager and she says that the traffic is good.

Here is what he says he is doing it: He is overseas, so he has a team sending emails to qualified US leads. I think he has to use proxies to send the emails. They are sent manually from many email addresses. When the receiver opens the email and clicks the offer, it opens up another domain which has the offer(domain forwarding, I believe). Then, the conversion etc....

Is this a common practice for email affiliate marketing? Will I get banned for this from ad networks in general. From my research, this looks to be a common practice. I want to make money, but I don't want to be liable by having a network come after me to collect money back from me etc. Does that ever happen? I don't want to move forward unless I know that there is a likelyhood that I will succeed in the long term.. Thanks for reading!!!
 


Domain forwarding is normal with just about all types of affiliate marketing so there is nothing to worry about there, however if you're dealing with a US affiliate network they will want you to be within 100% compliance of the CAN SPAM act, and since your partner overseas is using proxies that would be a clear violation and gives the network ground to withhold payment from you if they found that out.
 
Yeah, I questioned the proxies as well. He says that he did this for 2 years with the other partner(still doing now), and that he hasn't had issues. I think that he has only worked with a few though. He says that everyone uses proxies. He says that if they didn't allow proxies to be used, then the ad networks would shut down!! He says that they networks and the advertisers just care about getting quality traffic. From what I can tell, even by my AM's account, we are providing that.
 
You simply cannot cannot use proxies, you're playing with fire.

HOWEVER

I sense that you are close to this guy and he's willing to show you his little system for free, and you'd feel more comfortable using his system than attempting to learn the fine art of emailing (I don't blame you one bit, you think proxies are bad, try dealing with Yahoo deferrals and AOL complaint rate thresholds and Spamhaus)

SO...

There is a very easy workaround to do what you want to do.

1. Form Company A offshore (put it in your friends name, give him a percentage of your revenue or see if he'll do it for a flat fee).

Company A does what your friend does. They mail black hat through proxies. But instead of sending out the true affiliate offer, send out a similar offer without your tracking link in it. Just get the damn emails of the people who clicked it.

2. Company B, a US company, is owned by you. Company A sends you the leads in daily batches for $1 a day or whatever, write up an agreement so its official that you're simply buying what you believe to be optin names interested in your demographics. On a whitelisted network or a solid email platform, you mail these leads on your golden network and get conversions that way.

This is just one scenario, there are many out there. 'welcome.
 
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Roundabout, thank you. I appreciate the time you took to explain this a bit. Your comments make logical sense to me. I am going to research this and other methods. Proxies smelled bad from the start. Any other thoughts you have are appreciated.. Regards...
 
You simply cannot cannot use proxies, you're playing with fire.

HOWEVER

I sense that you are close to this guy and he's willing to show you his little system for free, and you'd feel more comfortable using his system than attempting to learn the fine art of emailing (I don't blame you one bit, you think proxies are bad, try dealing with Yahoo deferrals and AOL complaint rate thresholds and Spamhaus)

SO...

There is a very easy workaround to do what you want to do.

1. Form Company A offshore (put it in your friends name, give him a percentage of your revenue or see if he'll do it for a flat fee).

Company A does what your friend does. They mail black hat through proxies. But instead of sending out the true affiliate offer, send out a similar offer without your tracking link in it. Just get the damn emails of the people who clicked it.

2. Company B, a US company, is owned by you. Company A sends you the leads in daily batches for $1 a day or whatever, write up an agreement so its official that you're simply buying what you believe to be optin names interested in your demographics. On a whitelisted network or a solid email platform, you mail these leads on your golden network and get conversions that way.

This is just one scenario, there are many out there. 'welcome.

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