Piracetam

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I know nootropics are pretty popular with you guys. I'm pretty skeptical about ordering things like this online - I can't help but feel like I'm just gonna get ripped off.

There's the stuff they sell on amazon like this [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Piracetam-servings-Serious-Nutrition-Solutions/dp/B004M4BT46]Amazon.com: Piracetam Powder by SNS 1GRAM (1000MG) per serving (500 servings) Serious Nutrition Solutions: Health & Personal Care[/ame]

but then I wonder how the fuck they can sell something illegal on Amazon? And so I'm convinced that it doesn't actually contain piracetam, like how all the new HCG/ephedrine products don't actually contain HCG or ephedrine.

So, where do you guys get this stuff?
 


I hate adderall, vyvanse, etc. (been prescribed the lot and hate them ALL) so I'm always on the look out for something that may help.

But I'm in the same boat as you...I'm not keen on shoving random shit ordered online into my body.

I've also heard about modofinil/provigil but haven't looked into ordering it online yet.

Reviews like this from your link above is what keeps me interested, since it sounds just like me:

"I researched this stuff both through online sources and sources from my Bioethics Professor. It has the focusing power of Adderall without all the shakes and mood swings and it actually helps to enhance/stabilize moods (if you take it correctly). It has no toxicity rate so you can take 12g if you want, by why would you? Here is the correct way to take it:

Piracetam needs to build in your system; mainly, it needs to break the blood/brain barrier to be effective. This means that you can take 1g 3x a day and you will feel the effects within a few weeks or you can take an attack dose of about 3g 3x daily and you will feel the effects sooner. However, after your attack dose and after feeling the effects for the first time (it may take a while, be patient) you NEED to limit your dosage. I made the mistake of thinking more is more when really less is more.
Piracetam utilizes Choline (this is why it's necessary to ensure you have enough Choline in your system whether it's through nutrition or supplements) and if you do not have enough Choline in your system, you either suffer a massive headache (the kind of pain that a screwdriver to the temple will only distract you from) or you feel no effects. Lessen your dosage after the attack dose and you will feel stronger effects than if you continue the large dosage. Finally, some last tips:

1. This stuff is bitter as hell. Orange juice covers up the taste completely.
2. Take a Choline source with it.
3. Take fish oil with it (but not at the same time, much later).
4. Piracetam is water-soluble, so you need to take it on an empty stomach.
5. Be patient when waiting for the effects. It has to build in your system, okay?"
 
Piracetam is not illegal.

In the US, it is over-the-counter, in Europe it is still a regulated pharmaceutical.

da Fuq?

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Well I saw this thread so I just assumed it was true

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/101305-nootropics-users-fda-bans-piracetam.html

I guess I'll have to look into it more

If you Google for Piracetam legality, you'll see a bunch of buzz and results that all take you back to the pdf that the FDA sent Smart Powders where he got gutted for making medical claims about Piracetam.

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm225605.htm

Your firm markets your piracetam products, "Smart Powders Piracetam" and "Primaforce Piracetam" as dietary supplements; however, both products are excluded from the definition of a "dietary supplement" under section 201(ff)(1) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. § 321(ff)(1).
The claims listed above make clear that "Smart Powders Piracetam" and "Primaforce Piracetam," are intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals. Accordingly, these ·products are drugs, under section 201(g)(1)(C)

And he's still making medical claims about Piracetam: http://www.primaforce.com/products/piracetam.htm

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He must really want to keep Piracetam in the FDA's iron sights.
 
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Sometimes I hate being in Europe.

Well, naaaah, not really.

But I'd like to try this and can't FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!

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Finally, some last tips:

1. This stuff is bitter as hell. Orange juice covers up the taste completely.
2. Take a Choline source with it.
3. Take fish oil with it (but not at the same time, much later).
4. Piracetam is water-soluble, so you need to take it on an empty stomach.
5. Be patient when waiting for the effects. It has to build in your system, okay?"[/I]

As a Pharmacy student, shit like this makes me cringe. I'll leave some knowledge here for anyone that chooses to take Piracetam (note: I take Piracetam daily and unlike shitforbrains in the quote above, I've done actual research on the drug).

1) A big part of the reason that Piracetam tastes bitter is that it has an alkaline acetamide group; the reason the orange juice covers this taste is that the low pH of the acidic juice is (likely) causing the chemical structure to change. This can drastically affect the solubility, action and effects of drugs and is definitely not recommended. (note: it may be reacting at the oxopyrrolidine nitrogen as well, unsure of that) Of course, since most Piracetam is given in capsules and not delayed-release tablets, the stomach is doing virtually the same thing to it, so it may be a moot point.

Regardless, it's certainly a bad idea to ever mix your drugs with anything but water, and even then it's not recommended. Take them in the intended dosage form.

2) If you are eating a western diet, you don't need to take a choline source - there's loads of choline in most of the foods that we eat. Unless you are on a special diet or are starving yourself, the additional choline is of little use and can cause a host of adverse effects including causing you to smell like a dead fish.

3) Taking fish oil with it is is useless as we already covered that your choline intake is most likely fine above. If you absolutely have to take something so you can truly believe that Piracetam is going to somehow magically work better, take no more than 2g of fish oil per day. Fish oil generally contains heavy metals which can build to toxic levels in your body over time, so go easy.

4) This might be the only useful thing said - yes, piracetam is soluble in water. And alcohol. And a metric shit-ton of other solvents.

5) Piracetam does not need to "build in your system". The drug has a known peak serum time of 1.5 hours and half-life of about 5 hours, which means that unless you're pounding this shit hourly it's not going to "build" anywhere but your toilet bowl as you piss it out.

Given that Piracetam's mechanism of action is largely still unknown and believed to be a combination of factors, you might even be doing yourself a disservice by taking higher or more frequent doses. Also, the recommended dosing is pretty much "who the fuck knows", so you're left trying to figure the shit out by yourself. If you want a "safe" suggestion, you can go with 800mg of Piracetam 3x daily, spread out every 5 hours or so (taken from: Martindale: The Complete Drug Reference - Piracetam Monograph)

Given that Piracetam is generally accepted as safe with low toxicity, it's probably not going to kill you to play around with it a bit. But PLEASE at least do some more research than the guy Beach Affiliate quoted!

(note: I didn't really cite much outside of Martindale for dosing because I've done enough racetam research that most of this comes from memory. But hit up Google Scholar if you want to learn more.)

(note 2: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001011/abstract - The Cochrane Review of studies regarding Piracetam's usefulness in cognitive impairment stated that "Published evidence does not support the use of piracetam in the treatment of people with dementia or cognitive impairment. Although effects were found on global impression of change, no benefit was shown by any of the more specific measures of cognitive function.")

Try it out - but don't expect NZT-48.
 
As a Pharmacy student, shit like this makes me cringe. I'll leave some knowledge here for anyone that chooses to take Piracetam (note: I take Piracetam daily and unlike shitforbrains in the quote above, I've done actual research on the drug).

1) A big part of the reason that Piracetam tastes bitter is that it has an alkaline acetamide group; the reason the orange juice covers this taste is that the low pH of the acidic juice is (likely) causing the chemical structure to change. This can drastically affect the solubility, action and effects of drugs and is definitely not recommended. (note: it may be reacting at the oxopyrrolidine nitrogen as well, unsure of that) Of course, since most Piracetam is given in capsules and not delayed-release tablets, the stomach is doing virtually the same thing to it, so it may be a moot point.

Regardless, it's certainly a bad idea to ever mix your drugs with anything but water, and even then it's not recommended. Take them in the intended dosage form.

2) If you are eating a western diet, you don't need to take a choline source - there's loads of choline in most of the foods that we eat. Unless you are on a special diet or are starving yourself, the additional choline is of little use and can cause a host of adverse effects including causing you to smell like a dead fish.

3) Taking fish oil with it is is useless as we already covered that your choline intake is most likely fine above. If you absolutely have to take something so you can truly believe that Piracetam is going to somehow magically work better, take no more than 2g of fish oil per day. Fish oil generally contains heavy metals which can build to toxic levels in your body over time, so go easy.

4) This might be the only useful thing said - yes, piracetam is soluble in water. And alcohol. And a metric shit-ton of other solvents.

5) Piracetam does not need to "build in your system". The drug has a known peak serum time of 1.5 hours and half-life of about 5 hours, which means that unless you're pounding this shit hourly it's not going to "build" anywhere but your toilet bowl as you piss it out.

Given that Piracetam's mechanism of action is largely still unknown and believed to be a combination of factors, you might even be doing yourself a disservice by taking higher or more frequent doses. Also, the recommended dosing is pretty much "who the fuck knows", so you're left trying to figure the shit out by yourself. If you want a "safe" suggestion, you can go with 800mg of Piracetam 3x daily, spread out every 5 hours or so (taken from: Martindale: The Complete Drug Reference - Piracetam Monograph)

Given that Piracetam is generally accepted as safe with low toxicity, it's probably not going to kill you to play around with it a bit. But PLEASE at least do some more research than the guy Beach Affiliate quoted!

(note: I didn't really cite much outside of Martindale for dosing because I've done enough racetam research that most of this comes from memory. But hit up Google Scholar if you want to learn more.)

(note 2: Piracetam for dementia or cognitive impairment - The Cochrane Library - Flicker - Wiley Online Library - The Cochrane Review of studies regarding Piracetam's usefulness in cognitive impairment stated that "Published evidence does not support the use of piracetam in the treatment of people with dementia or cognitive impairment. Although effects were found on global impression of change, no benefit was shown by any of the more specific measures of cognitive function.")

Try it out - but don't expect NZT-48.

but does it work?
 
As a Pharmacy student, shit like this makes me cringe. I'll leave some knowledge here for anyone that chooses to take Piracetam (note: I take Piracetam daily and unlike shitforbrains in the quote above, I've done actual research on the drug).

Any side effects? I'm tempted to give this a shot.
 
Piracetam is not illegal.

In the US, it is over-the-counter, in Europe it is still a regulated pharmaceutical.

da Fuq?

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Whereabouts in Europe are you? Here, it's prescription only, but not controlled. So you have to be prescribed it to get it over here, but it's perfectly legal to have it shipped to you from abroad.

I used this site last time I ordered:
Your online source for Smart Nutrition Supplements.

EDIT: looks like that site doesn't do piracetam anymore. They still do aniracetam though.
 
I know nootropics are pretty popular with you guys. I'm pretty skeptical about ordering things like this online - I can't help but feel like I'm just gonna get ripped off.

There's the stuff they sell on amazon like this Amazon.com: Piracetam Powder by SNS 1GRAM (1000MG) per serving (500 servings) Serious Nutrition Solutions: Health & Personal Care

but then I wonder how the fuck they can sell something illegal on Amazon? And so I'm convinced that it doesn't actually contain piracetam, like how all the new HCG/ephedrine products don't actually contain HCG or ephedrine.

So, where do you guys get this stuff?

You can get ephedrine from over the counter cold medicine like Bronkaid and Primatene. Don't ask me why I know that....
 
NEVER ever ever buy this shit in powder form, Piracetam is absolutely vial to take untabbed, and I'm yet to find to anything that remotely covers the taste.
 
Whereabouts in Europe are you? Here, it's prescription only, but not controlled. So you have to be prescribed it to get it over here, but it's perfectly legal to have it shipped to you from abroad.

I used this site last time I ordered:
Your online source for Smart Nutrition Supplements.

EDIT: looks like that site doesn't do piracetam anymore. They still do aniracetam though.

Wait, wut? If its requires a prescription in the UK how can it be legal to have it sent to you from abroad?
 
NEVER ever ever buy this shit in powder form, Piracetam is absolutely vial to take untabbed, and I'm yet to find to anything that remotely covers the taste.

This is what I gathered from your advice:

* Don't buy it in a powder.
* Don't take it in tablet form.
* You're taking it in a way to where you taste it.

If it's not powder, and if it's not a tablet, but you can taste it, then what is it? Is it a riddle? Are you buying it in suppositories and breaking them open?

Powder form is the way to go. It's cheap. It's bulk. You can mix it in liquids. You aren't paying excipient/capsule premium. You can cap it yourself if you want.

Not sure what the issue is with mixing it with orange juice. If a weak acid like OJ is going to metabolize it into inertness, then just wait til it hits the hydrochloric acid in your stomach.
 
Tangy nails it.

The reason we thought it was banned was because the FDA makes it VERY hard for people to produce it. There was a letter sent to one manufacturer that made it sound like it was illegal to sell - but that's not true - it's just illegal to be marketed in certain fashions.

For instance, it CANNOT be marketed as a "supplement" or "dietary supplement". It is a drug. So basically that's why the labels are so cryptic and say nothing but Piracetam on them anymore.

I've heard stories of the DEA raiding ex-piracetam makers with AK-47's and whatnot. It's a crazy industry, and I still think it will eventually be fully banned and turned into a prescription drug once some asshat pharma company greases enough politicians to make it happen, as it's safe and effective.

As for the taste... powdered piracetam is a DREAM compared to the choline citrate I've been taking it with. What a mistake buying a tub of that crap. I don't even think it's the best choline to take with it! (Tangy?)

However, once you've tried piracetam and enjoyed it, try PRAMIRACETAM. Holy fuck. I'm about to take some now.