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Say what you want about Frank Kern but that guys one hell of a salesman. And I'm not sure but I think a lot of people including me would be happy with mid 8 figures lol. Especially if it's legit and fairly stable.
 


I've been selling my own products even before I joined WF. Actually the reason why I joined WF is because I thought I'd learn more about selling and marketing here. I learned about dickrolls instead.
 
I would be interested in talking to anyone about this as well, I'm in the process of developing my own product right now (supplement) and there's not that much info on setting up a sales pipeline (fulfillment, support, etc) from scratch.
 
I can appreciate what he does, absolutely. The internet is obviously an excellent medium for direct response. I'm just saying the guru route isn't going to be my particular bag. I would hate for my real name to be associated with that business model.

Do you see the difference between Frank Kern and this?

The Blackstone Group LP ? Leading Investment and Advisory Firm

One sells a dream to ignorant people and teaches them how to be better salespeople. The other literally prints fucking money.

At the end of the day who does Frank Kern spend his time with? Other cheesedick salesmen, scheming on ways to make quick cash.

Blackstone Earns $329 Million Profit - DealBook Blog - NYTimes.com

"Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, one of Blackstone’s main rivals, reported a $515.3 million profit for its fourth quarter"

I'm having to ask myself some serious questions, like who do I want to spend my time with, what do I want to base my business around, what sort of skills/relationships/etc will have longevity. If you read Tim Ferris' book and then follow what he does on his blog, you can tell that he's got a bigger picture plan, and that plan includes tech-centric private equity and venture capital. That's smart business. Especially since 20 years from now 20 million isn't going to buy the same things it currently does.

Again, that's just my opinion.


FTC-Hater said:
Not emulate - but appreciate.

People can knock him all they want - but when it comes down to it he sells out of whatever the fuck he sells every single time. There's a lot to be learned from him if you want to be the face of whatever product you're selling in the future.

...Also hope no one is nieve enough to believe in the surfer thing he has going on. He is a religious student of Dan Kennedy, the late Gary Halbert, and knows his shit when it comes to NLP.

Fundamentals that he teaches, which are basically just the teachings of direct response guys put into an internet marketing form, can be used to sell more of anything online whether through an e-commerce, flog, or gasp an actual e-book and are worth the money IMO (although not worth the orgasms many have over them).
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PhillipMarlow said:
I can appreciate what he does, absolutely. The internet is obviously an excellent medium for direct response. I'm just saying the guru route isn't going to be my particular bag. I would hate for my real name to be associated with that business model.

Do you see the difference between Frank Kern and this?

The Blackstone Group LP ? Leading Investment and Advisory Firm

One sells a dream to ignorant people and teaches them how to be better salespeople. The other literally prints fucking money.

At the end of the day who does Frank Kern spend his time with? Other cheesedick salesmen, scheming on ways to make quick cash.

Blackstone Earns $329 Million Profit - DealBook Blog - NYTimes.com

"Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, one of Blackstone’s main rivals, reported a $515.3 million profit for its fourth quarter"

I'm having to ask myself some serious questions, like who do I want to spend my time with, what do I want to base my business around, what sort of skills/relationships/etc will have longevity. If you read Tim Ferris' book and then follow what he does on his blog, you can tell that he's got a bigger picture plan, and that plan includes tech-centric private equity and venture capital. That's smart business. Especially since 20 years from now 20 million isn't going to buy the same things it currently does.

Again, that's just my opinion.
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@Phillip - first of all, I like the way you think. As for "thinking bigger" as mentioned earlier - and not to brag because let's face it anyone can lie on the internet - my JV Partner's family controls two of the wealthiest retailer's in Europe. When I was a wage slave I advised corp firms (NASDAQ:exbd) so I know that hustle. But I am not just talking about monies I am talking about lifestyle. Kern makes 8 figures a year not having to deal with boards (I've been there), wearing stockings when one doesn't one to (chick here) and make no mistake, he's advising Tony Robbins who's worth a good $250M.

Lastly, as I am sure you know, all money isn't created equal. There are some people only worth $10M with more clout than people worth $100M. They have board seats at Eton, Tate Modern, The Met, A few FTSE EURO Top100 Firms, Political influence and the like. Money ceases to be a power level when you get to a certain point - in my humble opinion...

Having said all that, I think there are very few people who can mesh the "street hustle" of your typical IMer with the white collar big picturism of a Blackstonian (trained by a mentor of mine while he was at HBS to provide proof....).

Then again, maybe I should just learn how to cook better, and wait til one of these guys starts shopping for their 8th wife then I won't have to think about it - LMAO
 
bitsdawg said:
I don't know if I should post this because it was a big, miserable flop for me.

I used to work in a financial niche before I discovered the wonderful world of online lead generation. I know how to generate leads for that niche now, and when I talk to anybody who still actively works it, they all want to know how to do it, or they want to buy leads.

I am very happy just selling leads to a national lead company, even if it is wholesale - because it removes me from the agony of handling the other side of the business - i.e. billing, customer service to lead buyers, etc.

I also sold some products still, using my own internet generated leads, and that worked out very well.

I thought that a quick info product explaining the steps to take to start understanding the internet, target marketing, etc. so they can start generating their own niche leads in local markets would be a great idea because they all seemed so interested. Big flop.

I still think it is a good idea, and that my product was very reasonable for the price. But I just don't get how to do this.
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@bitsdawg....pls don't do all the work and let someone else monetize the benefits - ad infinitum. Let's talk. One of the things I'm working on is info products - learn the game from the best - as I mentioned before, (nasdaq:exbd). There is all kinds of money in executive education. I would encourage you to spend more time on Warrior Forum. There isnt' an "us" vs "them mentality". Learn now to sift through it all. One guy there is working on a kick ass automation program called "intellistar" that will help automate webinars. There are folks making $50k a day with high end exec education info products.

If you love money and have ethical business standards, email me and let's talk. Notice I said "love money + ethical business standards". My crew gives a way 10% for Kiva.org (got to buy my way into heaven some way, lol).

No but seriously dude, it's time that IMers stop surrending our lifetime customer value to some of these companies. Having your product is the only way to go

PLEASE PICK UP JIMMY D BROWNS "sales force army" for a kick ass audio course - worth every last dime....

goodluckbro
 
Kern doesn't make 8 figures a year, trust me.

I've also thought of starting a private forum like this. Basically a mastermind group type of forum that is invite only. Count me in, I can provide my share of value to the group that's for sure.
 
ok, so - let's get back on track - no one is being paid (I presume) for any paid endorsements of particulars (kern, blackstone, etc). That said, I had a few people PM so I am listing a great source of places to find people with huge mailing lists that can act as your potential JV partners. There's no traffic like JV traffic for selling one's on product. The source is linked to my autosig....to provide some value, this is PRICELESS info he gives (only after you become a member) but I will share it from some notes I took this weekend. My goal was to give my VA info she can use to make an excel spreadsheet of potential JV's I want to connect with. It goes like this:


1. start with small publishers/list owners (20k or less) for fast publishing (get your deal run fast)
2. make content match offering
3. become a reader of the ezine - make sure your ad is being run and that the target demo fits yor offer
4. look for attractive ezines (does the ad actually look attractive)
5. find testimonials (in particular people who are advertising similar products/services) - ask the JV/publisher to connect you with someone who can speak honestly about the roi
6. measure CPM, cost per thousand (Page says, "I don't pay more than $8 per thousand")
7. Never spend more than 25% of total ezine ad budget on 1 ad/source
8. Track ads - see which ADS and see which EZINES produced the highest ROI
9. ask for quantity discount (if possible)
10. consider weight of publisher's voice
11. he would love to pay 4 CPM and likes when he can get 6 CPM


LASTLY...understand the difference between solo ads, classified ads, top classified ads, etc. Owning one's on product plus investing in one's on sales force is the only way to go - Amazon really perfected this model. Actually I am told a porn company actually "created" the affiliate marketing biz model back in the '90s.

I think porn and gambling shops really know how to create innovative ecommerce models.

Nanacast has some creat stuff too 9(YOU CAN SET UP DYNAMIC PRICING REALLY QUICKLY!)

this weekend, I was on a call with a guy that did $1M in sales (mostly profits) from Aug to Jan with info products (he left 3M to do IM). One thing he said that makes ALOT of sense is that when you are approaching JV partners, make sure you STATE WHAT'S THE WIN-WIN-WIN situation - their list-them-and you - last.
 
That is extremely weird. I was surfing through jigsaw yesterday and came across that company. I didn't spend too much time on the site, but I remember thinking, "These guys are using the same marketing principles that the hustlers do, only targeting THOSE guys!"

I do agree with you in that I'm 100 percent all for not having to deal with anything I don't want to deal with, whether that be board meetings or anything else. I suppose I'm just still trying to convince myself I don't need the MBA.

Also, it isn't about the power level, in my opinion. It's about self-actualization.



riddarhusetgal said:
@Phillip - first of all, I like the way you think. As for "thinking bigger" as mentioned earlier - and not to brag because let's face it anyone can lie on the internet - my JV Partner's family controls two of the wealthiest retailer's in Europe. When I was a wage slave I advised corp firms (NASDAQ:exbd) so I know that hustle. But I am not just talking about monies I am talking about lifestyle. Kern makes 8 figures a year not having to deal with boards (I've been there), wearing stockings when one doesn't one to (chick here) and make no mistake, he's advising Tony Robbins who's worth a good $250M.

Lastly, as I am sure you know, all money isn't created equal. There are some people only worth $10M with more clout than people worth $100M. They have board seats at Eton, Tate Modern, The Met, A few FTSE EURO Top100 Firms, Political influence and the like. Money ceases to be a power level when you get to a certain point - in my humble opinion...

Having said all that, I think there are very few people who can mesh the "street hustle" of your typical IMer with the white collar big picturism of a Blackstonian (trained by a mentor of mine while he was at HBS to provide proof....).

Then again, maybe I should just learn how to cook better, and wait til one of these guys starts shopping for their 8th wife then I won't have to think about it - LMAO
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PhillipMarlow said:
One sells a dream to ignorant people and teaches them how to be better salespeople. The other literally prints fucking money...

I'm having to ask myself some serious questions, like who do I want to spend my time with, what do I want to base my business around, what sort of skills/relationships/etc will have longevity. If you read Tim Ferris' book and then follow what he does on his blog, you can tell that he's got a bigger picture plan, and that plan includes tech-centric private equity and venture capital. That's smart business. Especially since 20 years from now 20 million isn't going to buy the same things it currently does.
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I agree with you 200% PhillipMarlow.

A product forum, or a 'how I leveraged affiliate marketing profits into a bigger business' forum seems like a natural progression and maturing of what currently exists.

The business expertise in this community is vast, but it is terrifically fragmented. Creating a community around 'the next step' is a great idea.
 
PhillipMarlow said:
Do you see the difference between Frank Kern and this?

The Blackstone Group LP ? Leading Investment and Advisory Firm

One sells a dream to ignorant people and teaches them how to be better salespeople. The other literally prints fucking money.

At the end of the day who does Frank Kern spend his time with? Other cheesedick salesmen, scheming on ways to make quick cash.
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Proverbs 6:1 - Among the Seven capital sins lies Pride.

There is no greater mover+shaker than Frank Kern. All those AMs we know who bank $2-4m+ in 10 days through Mass Control ™ product launches? 1:1 consultancy with Frank Kern, ladies and gentlemen.

The issue with so many professions today is one of status perceptions. People throw away perfectly mastered crafts in chase of any occupation that allows daily presentation in a pinstripe anthracite suit.

Cleaners [whether it's floors, carpets, shoes or diamonds] disregard decades of experience for the chance of minor administrative [even data entry!] work.

Cooks today rather occupy interviews with theory and opinions on molecular biology rather than say they simply grill good fucking steaks.

Craftsmen and Doctors who hang out more at their Private Banks' office than their own workshop. In the media they eagerly exclaim 'nowadays I think about the marketing [...] while my apprentices stand in the shop'

Soccer stars today rather spend interviews dressed like Goldman bankers, discussing anything of negligible technical nature, rather than admit they're good at juggling a football! [media also demonize these guys more and more as simple, rich monkeys lately. since it is quite known that a large portion of soccer players are highschool/college dropouts. so perhaps this is their counter?]

There's probably a lot of examples but those are the most prolific.

People have this huge perversion with any modern job that is perceived [even if only assumed] as being dependent on developed intellectual ability, anything with suits, and so on.

Bottom line: Frank Kern has made more money than the gross majority of employed -and not so employed- people with perceptibly prestigious jobs. Bankers -as employees- live to print money - Frank Kern has more than them! The goal is reached! Now, unless Frank succumbs to Pride related to popular opinion on his appearance and dresscode........

Look at how many porn website operators own huge mansions, F430's and RR Phantoms. Sure, it's not something a lot would aspire, but honestly, they have achieved the exact personal wealth and material that nearly any progressive-intellectual Blackstone pseudo-banker dreams and lives for. And they did so by not being swayed by mainstream opinion.

Check out our Affiliate brother at the Winter Olympics. While all media glee and boast over every $10-40k that perceived 'national heroes' bring in, media does nothing but hate on a $12M networth Affiliate because he shows up in a Lamborghini Murcielago instead of Volvo.

The World has a lot of views on the 'right' ways, jobs and persons, which they embrace as the norm. It's up to the people themselves to not fall prey to this Pride, and instead let only their labor be the final judge.
 
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riddarhusetgal said:
@bitsdawg...

If you love money and have ethical business standards, email me and let's talk. Notice I said "love money + ethical business standards". My crew gives a way 10% for Kiva.org (got to buy my way into heaven some way, lol).

No but seriously dude, it's time that IMers stop surrending our lifetime customer value to some of these companies. Having your product is the only way to go

PLEASE PICK UP JIMMY D BROWNS "sales force army" for a kick ass audio course - worth every last dime....

goodluckbro
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PM'd you... thanks! I hate to drop the project. I like money...need money (have kids who are expensive) ... I am ethical...that's the thing ... dealing with some financial people is stressful for me. I did spend some time working with agents, but found I didn't like my clients that much. So I kept retreating back to my own 'puter. Selling to a big company who hires others to deal with the whiners and scammers seemed like an easier option. Maybe that's the flaw in my character.

I know I can help agents develop and work leads, because I have done it myself. Customers actually appreciate somebody who is there to listen to them and answer questions without a lot of hype - and I did sell products off my own leads, that I had warmed up online with my own websites. And I know I generate high quality leads for others.

What agents don't understand is that my problem is not finding somebody to sell leads to - it is just generating enough leads. I can always find buyers. If I couldn't, I'd probably go back to using them myself.

Somehow selling to financial pros is another thing. They are all looking for an angle, and I am the "nerd". :) They are looking for something slicker than the nice lady being friendly and explaining things.
 
Your quoting proverbs means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, all it says to me is that you prefacing your argument with religious rhetoric.

Go here:

Blackstone's Schwarzman tops U.S. CEO payroll: study | Reuters

Those are movers and shakers. Real estate developers are movers and shakers. Principals in VC/Private equity firms are movers and shakers. Mining operations.

And yes, it is about perception. Do you think anyone wants a guy who sells used cars to come to the art gallery with them? Only other used car salesmen.


evelynds said:
Proverbs 6:1 - Among the Seven capital sins lies Pride.

There is no greater mover+shaker than Frank Kern. All those AMs we know who bank $2-4m+ in 10 days through Mass Control ™ product launches? 1:1 consultancy with Frank Kern, ladies and gentlemen.

The issue with so many professions today is one of status perceptions. People throw away perfectly mastered crafts in chase of any occupation that allows daily presentation in a pinstripe anthracite suit.

Cleaners [whether it's floors, carpets, shoes or diamonds] disregard decades of experience for the chance of minor administrative [even data entry!] work.

Cooks today rather occupy interviews with theory and opinions on molecular biology rather than say they simply grill good fucking steaks.

Craftsmen and Doctors who hang out more at their Private Banks' office than their own workshop. In the media they eagerly exclaim 'nowadays I think about the marketing [...] while my apprentices stand in the shop'

Soccer stars today rather spend interviews dressed like Goldman bankers, discussing anything of negligible technical nature, rather than admit they're good at juggling a football! [media also demonize these guys more and more as simple, rich monkeys lately. since it is quite known that a large portion of soccer players are highschool/college dropouts. so perhaps this is their counter?]

There's probably a lot of examples but those are the most prolific.

People have this huge perversion with any modern job that is perceived [even if only assumed] as being dependent on developed intellectual ability, anything with suits, and so on.

Bottom line: Frank Kern has made more money than the gross majority of employed -and not so employed- people with perceptibly prestigious jobs. Bankers -as employees- live to print money - Frank Kern has more than them! The goal is reached! Now, unless Frank succumbs to Pride related to popular opinion on his appearance and dresscode........

Look at how many porn website operators own huge mansions, F430's and RR Phantoms. Sure, it's not something a lot would aspire, but honestly, they have achieved the exact personal wealth and material that nearly any progressive-intellectual Blackstone pseudo-banker dreams and lives for. And they did so by not being swayed by mainstream opinion.

Check out our Affiliate brother at the Winter Olympics. While all media glee and boast over every $10-40k that perceived 'national heroes' bring in, media does nothing but hate on an Affiliate because he shows up in a Lamborghini Murcielago instead of Volvo.

The World has a lot of views on the 'right' ways, jobs and persons, which they embrace as the norm. It's up to the people themselves to not fall prey to this Pride, and instead let only their labor be the final judge!
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PhillipMarlow said:
And yes, it is about perception. Do you think anyone wants a guy who sells used cars to come to the art gallery with them? Only other used car salesmen.
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Straight cash > Noble aesthetic. But only to those of stringent resilience.

How come the Bourgeoisie overthrew the Aristocracy
How come today the Proletariat is overthrowing said Bourgeoisie
How come China goes untouched while scoffing our oh-so established West

No matter how pretty a person or his surroundings looked, the only constant to survive the passing of time is and has always has been net cash money -- which will decide what happens tomorrow, and how it will happen.

Philip, I understand you completely, don't get me wrong. I'm European and hang out with the crowd every week. But beneath the silk and pearls lies nothing but the came carnal dependence on net revenue that drives every other man on the street. A person can achieve great wealth -and be happy with it- only if he will not at any point succumb to Pride, and thus fall prey to schemes devised to enrich and sustain the Proud Established itself.

You'd be amazed at the favors European Barons perform in front of rag-and-bones Chinese land developers today. You really would!! None of that beauty and regal status -- just getting money like all of us!
 
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