Professional PUAs got nothing on these japanese kids

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have you seen The Great Happiness Space documentary on netflix?
The Great Happiness Space: Tale of an Osaka Love Thief (2006) - IMDb

It's about these Japanese host clubs.

The boys that work there get paid to pick up girls on the street and lure them into the host club where they entertain, flirt, and a lot of times bang the girls for money.

They make between $30,000-$50,000/month commission from what the girls they entertain spend in the club. All the while trying to avoid having sex with the girls (it ruins the long term customers so they avoid it as much as possible but will if they have to), yet still get laid 365 days a year.

Fuckin crazy. I recommend it for an interesting watch. They make all these bragging pick up artists who talk shit about how many numbers they can get look like complete chumps.
 


Will definitely watch this. Was in Tokyo this summer and I saw a lot of those guy's trying to pick up girls. Mostly shibuya/harajuku. I knew they were balling hard, but 30-50k a month is insane.
 
So is Osaka just a different world from here in that there are enough rich, desperate women there that will support this industry?
 
I heard about these guys. My friends said they follow girls for blocks just badgering them to come to the bar with them until they finally give in. You gotta be able to take a lot of rejection in my opinion.
 
The girls that pay for them are prostitutes themselves as revealed later in the documentary so you can't really infer anything from this weird situation. The reason these guys have such success with these prostitutes is because they can pay to hang out with them as friends/boyfriends as opposed to being banged by strangers during the rest of their day.
 
You gotta be able to take a lot of rejection in my opinion.
well that's part of not giving a fuck. if you want to get a lot of girls just pretend they are dirt. not meaning actually treat them like dirt, but pretend they are dirt and worthless. that way you won't feel bad if you're rejected cuz they're just bitches. i'm sure these guys don't care if they're annoying them. what are the girls going to do, kick their ass?
 
I live in Osaka about a 10 minute walk from where the movie was filmed. The owner sold the club after this movie came out so now it`s called something else, "Prince Club Shion" I think.

Very few of them earn $30,000 per month. That`s probably what the owner of the club was making, and maybe the top 5 hosts in the country make that much, but that`s very rare. Most earn something closer to $5000, maybe $10,000 when they`re doing really well. And they`re all fucking morons so they blow every yen they earn on booze, clothes that cost way too much, eat out 100% of the time and never cook, pay triple what they need to for an apartment, take taxis everywhere, etc. These guys will be working at 7-11 when they`re 50.

With that said, they get laid by hot girls (much hotter than any of the ones shown in the documentary - I couldn`t believe how ugly the girls in the documentary were - not representative of their customers at all) and guys are always trying to break down what they do so they can get laid too.

Partly it`s just the fantasy context that gets all the girls chasing them. Most of their customers are hostesses (the female version of these guys - they have existed a lot longer than hosts), massage girls, and prostitutes.

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These girls have customers constantly trying to win their affection, so to these girls being a host/hostess automatically means you are in demand and have people trying to win your affection. That`s their reality. So when they go to a host club, their default assumption is that the guy is getting chased just as much as they do. Women are not turned on by men that chase them, they are turned on by men they have to chase (even if that`s just in an emotional sense) so they go to these hosts to live out their feminine fantasies of chasing and winning over a guy - as an escape from being chased by their customers all the time. So the mindfuck is that just by being a host, you automatically get the "in demand" status that makes hot girls want to chase you - even if you are a loser outside the host club. So I don`t think what they`re doing is any real special kind of god-like shit.

Beyond that initial default attraction they get, they basically just defer sex and/or a relationship as long as possible while making it seem like it will someday happen. I think in the beginning the customers have low expectations and just want to win the guy over by fucking him, but the guys defer sex initially. And then the girls keep coming and get hooked on the guys through constant chasing, and then they might start having sex with them but defer a relationship indefinitely by making excuses. And if she`s a big customer they`ll often never sleep with her because that could jeopardize the money. But if they get indications she will stop coming if they don`t fuck her, then they might fuck her intermittently to keep her coming.

They`re really good at banter though and constantly bust on girls in a way that`s pretty amazing. A girl can make one dumb comment and these guys can ride it and bust on her for like 10 minutes attacking every little nuance of that one dumb comment and what it says about her personality. I often hang out in the same area as them when I pick up girls and I listen to these guys and learn. I`ve also competed for the same girls with them a lot on the street, and these guys are master cockblockers but also cool as ice and don`t give a shit about any particular girl and if they`re losing they just walk away and find a different girl, with no anger towards me. What really makes them different from a lot of Western "PUAs" is that these guys don`t spend a lot of time with a girl that isn`t clearly into them and quickly committing to going with them. Certain types of girls will come and put themselves in a position to be approached by these guys, so they will just approach those girls and if she`s receptive he`ll continue. But it`s only the noob host who will follow a girl for like 10 minutes without any real indication she`s coming to the club.

Interesting guys. I have some friends who have been hosts. One guy quit after a year because he just couldn`t take it anymore. Girls were turning to prostitution to be able to pay for his manipulative entertainment. And he would have to drink a hideous amount of alcohol, intentionally throwing up every hour or so to be able to keep drinking. Most of them quit within a year, if not sooner.
 
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For fucks' sake, they work at the same club as the bartender that sells them their juice, don't they? Can't it be watered down for them? Sheesh...

Nice update, Bombastic! +Rep just for being who you are. :thumbsup:
 
The girls that pay for them are prostitutes themselves as revealed later in the documentary so you can't really infer anything from this weird situation. The reason these guys have such success with these prostitutes is because they can pay to hang out with them as friends/boyfriends as opposed to being banged by strangers during the rest of their day.


That's true. The whole prostitution business is fucking weird over there. The girl prostitutes/strippers spend all of their money on the male prostitutes, buying them dinner, drinks, watches, and other gifts.

I didn't quite understand the whole concept of "hosts" until I saw them for myself. They are not hard to spot, they usually carry umbrellas and try to look like David Bowie.

Can't say they were terribly successful, not sure I saw one girl actually go off with them. But I guess it beats working.
 
According to the documentary a lot of the girls became prostitutes to support their host addictions. Likewise a lot claim to be in love with several hosts from different places causing them to rack up thousands of dollars a night in bills.

Crazy stuff. Still, having to deal with one girl's emotional problems and mental manipulation is hard enough. Imagine if that's your entire job and you do it for hundreds of girls all day. No wonder why these guys are confused, exhausted, stressed and depressed.
 
That's true. The whole prostitution business is fucking weird over there. The girl prostitutes/strippers spend all of their money on the male prostitutes, buying them dinner, drinks, watches, and other gifts.

I didn't quite understand the whole concept of "hosts" until I saw them for myself. They are not hard to spot, they usually carry umbrellas and try to look like David Bowie.

Can't say they were terribly successful, not sure I saw one girl actually go off with them. But I guess it beats working.

What`s prostitution and what isn`t is kind of a gray area. I wouldn`t say that hosts and hostesses are prostitutes, because their job is simply the in-club entertainment. Any sex is voluntary, though they sometimes do it to keep customers happy, or do it because they want to have sex with that customer. But some of their customers start off as hostesses then enter prostitution to be able to pay for the host club.

They don`t look successful because they just weed out any girl who`s not looking for a host. They would get better responses overall if they dressed more normally and just wanted to take the girl for a drink (as a date). But they`re upfront about being hosts so any girl not looking for that blows them off. But when you see some of the girls who go with them, it`s like holy fuck -- I want to become a host right now. Some are supermodel quality.

But also, a lot of the guys on the street are new guys who don`t know what they`re doing yet and that`s why they haven`t pulled a girl inside the club yet. Once they have some connections lots of girls will come straight to them.

For fucks' sake, they work at the same club as the bartender that sells them their juice, don't they? Can't it be watered down for them? Sheesh...

Nice update, Bombastic! +Rep just for being who you are. :thumbsup:

haha, thanks. Well, they mostly pour drinks straight from the bottle so it`s hard to do that. They`re drinking champagne and wine, not vodka cokes and stuff.
 
For fucks' sake, they work at the same club as the bartender that sells them their juice, don't they? Can't it be watered down for them? Sheesh...


Hahahahahah... I know I'm late to the party but just finished explaining the 'hosts' to my wife and her first comment was exactly this ^^^^