Reversing Type 2 Diabetes
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I bet most doctors think she's a total lunatic.
You can't reverse diabetes. You can easily control it nowadays, but can't completely reverse it.
You can't reverse diabetes. You can easily control it nowadays, but can't completely reverse it.
It depends on how we define 'reverse diabetes'. If it means no longer needing drugs or insulin injections, then the diet can satisfy that criteria.
No. It's a case-by-case basis, and what she said is total horse shit. She's doing it for self promotion, not because she's some genius who figured out how to cure diabetes.
Yes, proper diet is probably THE single most important thing for a diabetic, especially type 2. You need to eat properly, and on time. If you're even say 45 mins late for dinner, your mind & body will go whacky on you, even with your regular insulin injections. I know this, because my family is rife with diabetes.
Diabetes is a hereditary disease, so even if you're pre-disposed to it, with a proper diet, yes, you can completely prevent yourself from ever getting it. You can also completely control type 1 diabetes with proper diet. That's not a medical breakthrough though. We've known that for decades. You're going to have a near impossible time convincing me though that if my grandpa or uncle ate better, they wouldn't need their insulin shots.
tl;dr -- she's talking out of her ass for self promotion reasons.
In your case what do you mean by eat properly, what is a proper diet for diabetes?
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to convince you or anyone. I'd rather have an intelligent discussion
Three meals a day, on time, every time. Lots of leafy greens, low sodium & sugar. Some protein, but don't over do it. For snacks, make sure it's some veggies, fruit, or even some yougurt will do to keep your calcium in check.
Dinner at 6pm, means dinner at 6pm. You're not allowed to run late and serve dinner at 6:45pm, because then the diabetic ends up going out of their mind, and wonders where their dead wife is, and other neat things.
Again, diet is absolutely critical for a diabetic, but someone saying they know how to cure type 2 diabetes with proper diet is, I'm sorry, retarded. If you don't believe me, go to basically any hospital on the planet, and ask a doctor. If you hit type 2 diabetes, it's generally beyond just diet to repair yourself.
What about very low carbohydrate diet with high fat, have your family tried it?
Some fruits raises insulin significantly
And having to eat on time, could it be hypoglycaemia due to insulin shots without eating after?
The evidence has been in for a while that low-carb, high fat is much more healthy. The problem is that people are literally addicted to carbs.. the shits good.
A dude in another thread on here had a grandpa or something dying of cancer and he wanted to try seeing the effects of low carbing on his grandpa's tumor. After a few days the grandpa said 'fuck that shit' cause he couldn't live w/out the carbs.. cause the shits good and releases tons of serotonin. And donuts and pizza for christ sakes..
Yes, some people are more genetically predisposed to handle carbs better than others. But some people handle cocaine and heroin better than others too.
I see no probs with this fine lady. Not sure what Kiopa's prob here is.. or if he just hates all profs/intellectuals and thinks they're all snobby fancy pants know-it-alls. But it takes some balls for her to go against a serious moneyed establishments (big medicine, big agriculture) and telling the ADA, USDA, DoA that they all fucked up bad. Now we wait 50 yrs for them to admit it.
Also, yes, if you reduce your blood sugars, by low carbing, to very low levels you won't need artificial insulin to 'handle' it. At the very least you can reduce your insulin greatly.
A dude in another thread on here had a grandpa or something dying of cancer and he wanted to try seeing the effects of low carbing on his grandpa's tumor. After a few days the grandpa said 'fuck that shit' cause he couldn't live w/out the carbs.. cause the shits good and releases tons of serotonin. And donuts and pizza for christ sakes..
Yes, some people are more genetically predisposed to handle carbs better than others. But some people handle cocaine and heroin better than others too.
I see no probs with this fine lady. Not sure what Kiopa's prob here is.. or if he just hates all profs/intellectuals and thinks they're all snobby fancy pants know-it-alls. But it takes some balls for her to go against a serious moneyed establishments (big medicine, big agriculture) and telling the ADA, USDA, DoA that they all fucked up bad. Now we wait 50 yrs for them to admit it.
Also, yes, if you reduce your blood sugars, by low carbing, to very low levels you won't need artificial insulin to 'handle' it. At the very least you can reduce your insulin greatly.
This lady knows what she's talking about.
I've never understood why diabetic people are told they have to eat a certain amount of carbs/sugar in order to keep their blood sugars up and then take insulin to keep their blood sugars down. Makes no sense.
People are more obese than ever, people eat shittier than ever, and we have more diabetes than ever. Yeah I know... correlation does not equal causation right, just like the correlation of fat people working out less does not equal causation. Yeah I get it, ignore the obvious.
One thing she doesn't mention which is very important, especially when dealing with carbs is... exercise! If you have excess carbs work out. If you have excess calories work out. Working out helps so much with so many "diseases". Eating a carb like rice before working out is also different than eating rice before going to bed. This is why many of the top athletes consume large amounts of carbs before and during performance. Look at the diet Michael Phelps was on during the Olympics. Why isn't he diabetic or obese?
So it's not carbs that are bad. It's unused carbs which are converted into fat. At the core all food is energy which is what the measurement of a calorie is. Calories are calories, whether they come from a candy bar or kale. Yes, there are many nutrients that come in addition to calories which is why it is important to eat healthy. But calories are calories when it comes to gaining weight or losing weight. If we have food algorithms that create caloric surpluses then we have weight gain. But seriously, when in doubt just burn like 500 calories a day through exercise and it will take care of almost everything.
Another thing she doesn't mention which is also important when dealing with carbs is Glycemic Index and fiber content. The GI of sugar is really high while the GI of oatmeal is really low. These are two completely different carbs. Fiber usually comes coupled with carbs in nature. Sugar cane, fruit and other foods come naturally with sugar and fiber in them. So sugar by itself, without fiber, isn't really found in nature. So we refine the sugar, remove the fiber and then reap the results of this.
I could go on and on about nutrition. It's an important topic that so few people care to get a grasp on and act accordingly on.
tl;dr - Avoid sugar, shoot for low GI carbs, work out.
I've never understood why diabetic people are told they have to eat a certain amount of carbs/sugar in order to keep their blood sugars up and then take insulin to keep their blood sugars down. Makes no sense.
People are more obese than ever, people eat shittier than ever, and we have more diabetes than ever. Yeah I know... correlation does not equal causation right, just like the correlation of fat people working out less does not equal causation. Yeah I get it, ignore the obvious.
One thing she doesn't mention which is very important, especially when dealing with carbs is... exercise! If you have excess carbs work out. If you have excess calories work out. Working out helps so much with so many "diseases". Eating a carb like rice before working out is also different than eating rice before going to bed. This is why many of the top athletes consume large amounts of carbs before and during performance. Look at the diet Michael Phelps was on during the Olympics. Why isn't he diabetic or obese?
So it's not carbs that are bad. It's unused carbs which are converted into fat. At the core all food is energy which is what the measurement of a calorie is. Calories are calories, whether they come from a candy bar or kale. Yes, there are many nutrients that come in addition to calories which is why it is important to eat healthy. But calories are calories when it comes to gaining weight or losing weight. If we have food algorithms that create caloric surpluses then we have weight gain. But seriously, when in doubt just burn like 500 calories a day through exercise and it will take care of almost everything.
Another thing she doesn't mention which is also important when dealing with carbs is Glycemic Index and fiber content. The GI of sugar is really high while the GI of oatmeal is really low. These are two completely different carbs. Fiber usually comes coupled with carbs in nature. Sugar cane, fruit and other foods come naturally with sugar and fiber in them. So sugar by itself, without fiber, isn't really found in nature. So we refine the sugar, remove the fiber and then reap the results of this.
I could go on and on about nutrition. It's an important topic that so few people care to get a grasp on and act accordingly on.
tl;dr - Avoid sugar, shoot for low GI carbs, work out.
She's saying she can cure type 2 diabetes, which I'm sorry, but is total bullshit. You can control it, but there's no cure.
I'll admit, preventing people from escalating to type 2 diabetes via diet is definitely possible. If & when you hit type 2 though, you're not going to cure yourself by eating better. Sorry, just not happening.
Again, without question it can be prevented though. That's why I'm quite strict with my diet. I know full well I'm pre-disposed to diabetes, and I also know if I don't eat properly, and don't get enough greens into me each day, my body makes sure to let me know about it.
I know full well I could easily become type 2 diabetic within my life. I also know if I take proper care of myself, there's absolutely no reason that has to happen.
Nonetheless, point stands -- she didn't find a cure for type 2 diabetes. She's just trying to get her name out there.
Here is what she actually says:
So we put her on a low carb diet and now lets fast forward 4 months. She lost weight, yes but better than that, sick no more. Her blood sugar levels were now normal all of the time, this on no diabetes medication, gone was the 300 units of insulin. No more insulin pump, no more pricking her finger multiple times each day, gone all of it. No more diabetes.
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So are they cured? is this a miracle? We leave that grand standing to Dr Oz. Cured would imply that it can't come back. And if they start eating excessive carbs again, it will come back. So no not cured, but they don't have diabetes any longer, its resolved and it can stay that way as long as we keep away the cause
So we are back to what I said about reversing diabetes and its definition.
WTF is Matt talking about? It's well documented that it can be reversed, that people can return to a prediabetic state. Reversal does not mean "cure". She specifically says reversal is not a cure. I'm not sure what is so hard to comprehend about that?
No, that's control, not reversal. Even if you manage to maintain your blood sugar levels at a healthy level, you're still diabetic. Stray from your diet, and you'll find that out very quickly.
Anyway, this whole conversation is retarded. Some lady shows up on TED Talks saying diabetics need to eat properly. Well, no shit. We've known that for 80+ years, so not exactly a medical break through. If you get diagnosed with diabetes, your doctor is going to drill it into you how important diet is. There's tons of cook books out there strictly for diabetics, there's many restaurants who provide diabetic menus or put little icons beside dishes for diabetics, etc.
because if your blood sugar drops too low (which is what the insulin is doing) you can go hypo and even die. if your blood sugar drops too low because you didn't dose your insulin correctly according to what you ate (carbs and sugar) you can die. you have to calculate your dose based on what your current sugar levels, and what your sugar level will drop to after you take the insulin.
many people that have had real high blood sugar for a long time, their body gets used to running at higher sugar levels so if it gets lower than what they are used to, they might start shaking or have low blood sugar side effects. this is for people that are type 1.
as stated you can control it with diet and exercise but, not reverse it. reversal would mean that I can now eat whatever I want like a normal person and my blood sugar will stay the same if I ate a twinkie. that will never happen, so the best I can do is just control it with diet and exercise but, generally diabetes and diabetic complications get worst over time and age. your pancreas isnt working like a normal person, that's why your body can't make insulin. you can do all the diet and exercise you want but, at the end of the day your pancreas just doesn't produce insulin like a normal person.
It's should be obvious that when you reintroduce the diet that caused type 2 diabetes, you'll get diabetes again. Take away the cause and it goes away, reintroduce the cause and it comes back.
I don't know what diet you are referring to. The present diabetic diet guidelines is to include carbs. That will keep type 2 diabetics diabetic. The same diet mainstream doctors refer a diabetic to.
However decades ago the diabetic diet is to eliminate carbs. I remember reading a diabetic cook book from the 1920's which had recipes eliminating all sources of starch, carbs, grains and sugar. It's no medical breakthrough, just forgotten knowledge due to bogus science and conflict of interests
Define type 2 diabetes and in particular the involvement of the pancreas in type 2 diabetes.