THE LEVELLER SYSTEM
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HarveyJ
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Being serious for a moment, it IS possible to game the system at a casino, but not on roulette. Everyone knows how "easy" it is to cardcount at blackjack (theoretically easy, but you try keeping the count, it's not easy when they play with 7 decks).
Poker can be counted as well, but has more variables, particularly when you play with hidden hands, or card variants.
If you're REALLY into your stats, you can also bet on horses. A professor at Melbourne Uni has been banned from TAB agents because he came up with a program that had a 90%+ rate of picking winners on horse races.
Roulette, however, IS pure chance, and the house statistically always wins because YOU can't bet on green (0 and sometimes even 00). The larger casinos also have analytic programs keeping an eye on the wheels to ensure that no bias gets introduced for longer than 24 hours on red or black (Star got caught out last year when they didn't reset the bias on green).
Not to mention, you wouldn't want to keep doing it for too long. If they catch on to your, you'll be lucky if you only need your jaw re-wired and some dentures.
Poker can be counted as well, but has more variables, particularly when you play with hidden hands, or card variants.
If you're REALLY into your stats, you can also bet on horses. A professor at Melbourne Uni has been banned from TAB agents because he came up with a program that had a 90%+ rate of picking winners on horse races.
Roulette, however, IS pure chance, and the house statistically always wins because YOU can't bet on green (0 and sometimes even 00). The larger casinos also have analytic programs keeping an eye on the wheels to ensure that no bias gets introduced for longer than 24 hours on red or black (Star got caught out last year when they didn't reset the bias on green).
Not to mention, you wouldn't want to keep doing it for too long. If they catch on to your, you'll be lucky if you only need your jaw re-wired and some dentures.
This isn't true I remember watching the discovery channel show about people who successfully beat the house in the casino.
3 Guys beat the roulette game because after monitoring over 10,000 hands, they realized that each wheel will wear based upon which table its being used at and back then the casinos didn't switch out the wheels all that ofter and they found that they could calculate in upwards of 90% success which number (Red or Green) the ball would land on.
You can beat any game at the casino with enough time, patience, and team, but you'll have to overcome some serious leaps and bounds to do so nowadays.
Your better off just robbing the damn thing like they did is Oceans 11, 12, and 13.
I agree with Aequitas that it's possible. My biggest problem is patience. It's tough to be consistent and firmly stick to a strategy because after a while it gets kind of boring, and it gets real tempting to make large (stupid) bets just for the hell of it. That's where I always seem to run into trouble...alcohol probably plays a role as well.
Ever wonder why the casino gives poker players free booze during a big tourny?...So they'll loose at poker faster and begin to play other games, because the casinos know they don't make any money on poker so they need a way to up-sell them to the slots.
Also ever wonder why all casinos have such colorful carpets?, this is because studies have shown that these types of carpets enduce the person to stay longer and gamble more.
I only ever play poker though just because you don't play against the house you play against the other players and its a fun social game, I used to love playing poker at the casino every friday until well I moved back to a town that doesn't have any casino's and the closest one is a 6 hour drive away......thank god for online gambling I would probably have seizesures without it.
Haha, yeah, those damn casinos are also void of any clocks to prevent you from realizing that it's four in the morning. I play poker sometimes, but not too much. I was in Vegas recently and lost like $200 bucks at a blackjack table in about 7 minutes. I then went and put a 20 in a $5 slot and won $325...then I got the hell out of there. I didn't want Planet Hollywood to get it back! Haha.
I gotta call you on this one Harvey, because so much of what you said is wrong.
You can game Roulette, but anyone smart enough to do so will probably be gaming BlackJack instead.
No card counter is going to try to count a 6 or 8 deck game (in 15 years of playing blackjack, I've never heard of a seven deck shoe)
I've never heard of anyone "counting Poker" like you count cards in Blackjack. Anyone telling you that you can is probably trying to sell you something (that doesn't work)
Yes, you can bet green in Roulette.
And the "jaw re-wired and some dentures"? You watch too many movies.
Actually, there is a professor in germany who can game roulette.
the guy is a fucking nutjob. He taught himself everything about the physics, spcialties and irregularities of roulette to devise a system of predicting where the ball will land.
He still has to observe a given roulette wheel for about 3 months before he knows it well enough.
Needless to say, poor sod is BANNED in every casino in Germany and Europe.
He also said he has never encountered anyone with enough passion and patience to learn the technique from him.
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the guy is a fucking nutjob. He taught himself everything about the physics, spcialties and irregularities of roulette to devise a system of predicting where the ball will land.
He still has to observe a given roulette wheel for about 3 months before he knows it well enough.
Needless to say, poor sod is BANNED in every casino in Germany and Europe.
He also said he has never encountered anyone with enough passion and patience to learn the technique from him.
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Sounds like a lot of work.
All you need to do is memorize the wheel, it's not as hard as you'd think.
Then it's easy to walk by a bank of roulette games, with the electronic displays that show the last 12 or 18 numbers, and see if any are hitting in the same area.
If one wheel is hot on one quadrant, just walk up and start betting that quadrant, or even 3/8 or 1/2 of the wheel and put a $1 bet down for the dealer on a number near the beginning of that section of the wheel. If he's an experienced dealer, he'll get it pretty close to the number you placed his bet on. Even if he misses, you'll probably still hit a number.
You'd be surprised how many times you see that the last 8,10, or 12 rolls have hit in the same quadrant. If you can get in on a run like that, you can make a shitload of cash in a hurry.
The pit bosses usually catch on pretty quick (very quick in Vegas) and change dealers, the new dealer will definitely be working against you and the pit will be watching you, so just get up and take that money to the Blackjack table.
It's not something you can use to break the Casino, it works in short bursts. I use it to break up the monotony of playing nothing but Blackjack and Poker.
HarveyJ
He is - THE CACTUS!
Gumby: Perhaps different rules for different casinos.
You can't bet Green at Crown or Star, and those are the casinos I go to.
They also service the wheels regularly, so there's no way you'd be able to collect data and analyze it fast enough to use it.
Crown Casino uses 7 decks for Blackjack.
Counting poker, I've never known anyone that knows anyone that does it, but I've read a book on it (don't worry, I didn't pay for it). It's more about telling yourself a story using the cards to actually keep the memory of what cards are left to go, as opposed to keeping count. Different mnemonic system.
As for jaw re-wired, well... I was at Crown in 2003 when security asked a guy to come with them around 11. I saw him again around 1:30 at a cafe of Kings.st with two of his fingers in a splint. Could just be a coincidence, but the timing's too good in my mind.
You can't bet Green at Crown or Star, and those are the casinos I go to.
They also service the wheels regularly, so there's no way you'd be able to collect data and analyze it fast enough to use it.
Crown Casino uses 7 decks for Blackjack.
Counting poker, I've never known anyone that knows anyone that does it, but I've read a book on it (don't worry, I didn't pay for it). It's more about telling yourself a story using the cards to actually keep the memory of what cards are left to go, as opposed to keeping count. Different mnemonic system.
As for jaw re-wired, well... I was at Crown in 2003 when security asked a guy to come with them around 11. I saw him again around 1:30 at a cafe of Kings.st with two of his fingers in a splint. Could just be a coincidence, but the timing's too good in my mind.
The Crown has both 0 (Euroepean) and 0/00 (American) wheels and does allow bets on green, the Star has only European wheels and also allows bets on green just like every other casino on the planet.
The Crown only has 8 deck, shoe-delt blackjack.
Please try to find that book and post the name of it here, I want to know how you count cards in Poker when the majority of the cards (or all in the case of draw poker) are not seen until after all bets have been made, after which the cards are re-shuffled before being delt again.
Poker is about odds (pot odds, implied odds) and about reading your opponents. Arguing that you can "count cards" in poker shows that you know absolutely nothing about the game.
Sounds like the Crown is run by a bunch of monkeys if they are willing to risk a multi-billion dollar gaming license just to crack a couple of some schmoe's fingers.
I'll pay you to share your expertise on the servicing of the Crown's and Star's Roulette wheels. If you'd like to write a quick 400/450 word article on the frequency of their auditing and methods used I'll gladly pay you $50 (after I verify that all facts are correct).
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