The List: Part 1 - Top 10 Underrated & Overrated People of the Industry

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I've been meaning to make a list of people in the industry, trusted and not, bad and good, and the real movers and shakers (thanks Alexa for that term) that people should pay attention to. Instead of writing out some huge list that changes often, we'll break them up into parts so people can have more fun reading them.

Part 1:

Top 10 Underrated & Overrated People of the Industry

1- Dan
Domain: Biz MP - Home of the online business marketplace
Score: UNDERRATED
Review: This guy is a real innovator and behind the scenes kinda guy. He's the reason and idea man behind so many things that are part of our industry and yet, no one seems to know who he is. His monthly revenue is astronomical, but he's never posted a picture of him holding a check or a screen shot of his stats. Recently Shoemoney launched a site mimic'ing Dan's, and took credit for the idea, while Bizmp.com has been around for a much longer period of time. Not cool! Dan also hatched up the idea of Earners Forum AND Elite Retreat, and yet, no one gives him an ounce of street credit for it. Dan is underrated by all means and is a force to be reconed with.

2- Jeremy "Shoemoney" Shoemaker
Domain: ShoeMoney™ - Skills To Pay The Bills
Score: OVERRATED
Review: Although he's a friend of mine, and I have nothing against him, I for one am just sick and tired of hearing people go on and on about how great he is for doing this and that and how he's the 2nd coming for Ringtones. Yes, Jeremy does know a lot about many things, and can run me over with his Hummer any day, but let's be serious now, if ringtones died tomorrow, where would he be and what we he do? His radio show brought him a lot of great media attention and respect from many newbies and experts alike. He's a good public speaker, and he knows his shit. He's also a fun guy to hang out with and I like him. He reports on all sorts of security related things on his blog and ways to help other webmasters and affiliates, so don't think that this is review is a bash-a-thon because it's not. I just think that he needs to tone down the hype a bit more (yeah, like I'm one to talk, I know!) and let everyone know what his real agenda in the industry is. Affiliate or soon to be ad network tycoon? Overall, he does a good job at self promotion and marketing, but a lot of it, with anyone in his position is 90% hype and 10% real.

3- Mike Krongel
Domain: COPEAC
Score: UNDERRATED
Review: Here's a guy that has no blog and does no speaking engagements but is so active on forums it's hard to believe he owns Intermark Media DBA Copeac. He's helped scores of newbie and novice affiliates promote offers better, and many times, not even in his own network! A real standup kinda guy too. He's gone and taken huge hits with advertisers just to pay out affiliates, and not make a dime and even lose money sometimes. His business models are amazing and I hope that someday I can be as good at business as he is. This guy deserves a fuckin award for his work in helping people and never asking for anything back in return. Sure, they sponsor everything here on WickedFire, but they were also the first network to find us and take us seriously. Time and time again Mike volunteers his time to better the affiliate marketing industry, and because of it, he's gained the trust and respect from hundreds and even thousands of affiliates in the industry. This is probably why Copeac went from a top 50 network up to a top 10 network in about 6 months time. No other network has a single bad thing to say about him and his practices because he is a stand up guy to everyone, good, bad and even the evil ones. Good job Mike, you are setting a real example for all of the networks to follow.

4- Mitch (Affiliate Director at AzoogleAds)
Domain: AzoogleAds - Home - The leading performance based marketplace
Score: UNDERRATED
Review: Mitch is one of those guys that will do just about anything to better the way affiliates do business with Azoogle. Whether it's setting up a late night support call or bending over backwards to accomodate an affiliate in need. He's one of the best AM's and Directors of the affiliate managers over at Azoogle, and needs to be known and rewarded for his efforts. He's the guy behind the scenes that keeps all of the AzoogleAds AM's in line and working their asses off. Without him, the whole team would just fall apart. Definitely a serious asset to AzoogleAds and they know it too. He's a good friend and a good business contact, and I've never seen or heard him do a single bad thing, ever. He's in the office from the early morning until late at night keeping everything in check. I just wish that I could have guys on his level working for me someday. We are going to see a lot of great things from this guy someday, and don't be surprised if he becomes a lot more known later too.

5- Matt Cutts
Domain: Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO
Score: OVERRATED
Review: This guy is overrated because everyone takes his word as if it were spoken by God and relayed through him. If you can come up with a list of real accomplisments this guy has done, I'd be impressed. So far, he just works for Google and acts as their unofficial spokesperson at conferences and forums. Other than that, nothing really going on for him. Sure, he drops pieces of information here and there for everyone, but really it just gets all of these newbie and big boy SEO people to fight for scraps from him, and most of the information is suggestive, not even REAL stuff. What? Google doesn't like BH spam? No shit?! Thanks for the hot tip Cutts! I'm sure he means well in his posts and at shows, but without Google he would just be another regular nerdy looking guy in the sea of other regular nerdy guys. Let's hope he stays with Google for life, because without them and access to their database of information, how else would he be able to tell you if you were dropped from Google or what your secret middle name is listed on in a private WHOIS file.

6- Lee Dodd (you knew this was going to be here)
Domain: Leedodd.com
Score: OVERRATED
Review: Where can we start here? Well first off, I emailed him and we made up, so I won't be as harsh as I may have been in the past, because he doesn't deserve it that much. Why is he overrated? Well, aside for failing with EarnersForum (thanks Dan) after being known as the forum master of the world, he took on a number of other projects to really kill his image. Now he is a self proclaimed blogging expert. Where that one came from is beyond me, but sure, that's the beauty of the internet I guess, self proclaiming yourself as a guru or expert so you can sell people shit they don't need. He had a radio show that was supposed to be paid but was quickly shot down here and at other forums so he nixed that idea. Now he does Elite Retreat, which in it's own right is a great idea (thanks Dan), and seems to be his way of reaching out and trying to help people, which I'm sure he can do a very good job at, but chose a weird name for it (see: elite-retreat.com). He's been in the spotlight for a little less time than me but started at the same forum which is SitePoint. We started off as pals, had a bad business partnership, and we went downhill from there. I do look forward to finally meeting him at Affiliate Summit East, and hearing what he has to say in person and how he acts, as I'm sure he feels the same about me or others. Overall, he's a nice guy, and doesn't deliberately try to dick people over, and definitely means well, but if you have an idea that sounds great, you'd probably not want to pitch it in his direction.

7- Andrew Johnson
Domain: - Web Publishing Blog
Score: UNDERRATED
Review: I know what you're thinking, he's a friend of mine and an Admin here at WickedFire, but I had to mention him because he seriously does not get the proper nod of the head in the respect zone that he should. Here's a quiet and polite guy who has a thick Wisconsin accent, and while he may not be the best public speaker in the world, you need to give him credit for trying and keeping up with the stuff he posts. This guy knows his stuff inside and out, and does very little self promotion for it too. He never charges people for anything, and constantly churns out one great idea after the next without ever asking for anything in return. He's not some huge earner either, but with what he knows, he sure as hell will be sometime very soon. His blog is very popular and does pretty well. Has a great active list of readers/subscribers, and without some of the stories or interviews he's dropped, other big boy bloggers in the space would not have good material to leech off of him for. I'd love to see this guy come out with some type of service or something in that area because he really has great concepts and we can talk for hours about how to make changes and how to make things better at that. I've never seen or heard of him ever getting into a heated debate or a fight either, and he's VERY respectful of everyone's opinions and views. I'm thankful as hell to have him as a person and talent on my staff here and hope he continues doing the shit he does for many years to come.
 


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8- Jill Whalen
Domain: High Rankings® Search Engine Optimization Information and Search Engine Marketing Tips
Score: OVERRATED
Review: Thankfully I've never met her in person, because I would give her an earful of shit about how stupid this woman really is. I remember her boasting about her amazing SEO powers back in the day and how she was able to charge her clients $10k a month to get them top spots on the engines with 4+ word keywords that weren't competitive at all! Wow Jill, good job!! I think anyone with a brain can do that! She used to consider herself a self proclaimed expert and bitch in SEO, but really her presence is the bitch of it all. She brings nothing to the table, and I've heard her speeches and read her reviews and posts and it's all just a bunch of regurgitated bullshit. Someone once made a site poking fun at her, and as much as I dislike her and her views, I didn't think she deserved it all that much. She's definitely got a knack for pissing people off though, but believe it or not, I'm not one of those people. I just never liked her and thought she was 100% full of shit and overrated from the start. How someone can go from asking really silly ridiculous questions on a forum for 3 months, and then become an expert in the field is beyond me. Just goes to show you that if you hype yourself up enough, even you start to believe it so that you can convince people that don't know any better that you really are amazing at what you do. I'm still waiting to hear from some of her "big clients" that really got some huge benefit from her shitty rankings.

9- Daron Babin
Domain: Free Internet Radio, just load Webmaster Radio 24/7
Score: UNDERRATED
Review: I like Daron a lot. In fact, I've known of him and been friends with him for many years. Even back when he was known as SEGuru in the Adult world. He's one of the most passionate guys when it comes to search engines, and yet, no one gives him any credit or acknowledgement for it. He's helped develope some pretty powerful tools that pioneered the way into the whole SEO game. He runs WebmasterRadio now and is doing amazing things with it, but from what I hear, he still likes to go back and do some quick SEO work. It's like a pig in shit, nothing makes the guy happier. You can find him slurring his words and talking about all sorts of strange things at EVERY industry related event and conference. He and his counterpart Brandy are seriously at everything, and they sometimes look like hell the day it ends from all the traveling these two do, it's amazing they haven't killed someone yet. DB is a good guy overall and speaks his mind too. Sure he makes enemies, but he's got a hell of a lot more fans. His brainchild of WebmasterRadio is fuckin awesome, and he's the official media sponsor at everything. These guys rock and I have no doubt they will continue to lead the way in the media within the industry. Also many kudos to DB for his move out of the Adult world for the most part. I know it's tough to leave those guys and that lifestyle, but it's a lot nicer here man!

10- Haiko (AbestWeb Forum owner)
Domain: forum.abestweb.com
Score: OVERRATED
Review: This forum and guy takes the cake on being overrated. Nothing around beats them. They charge something like $3k to ad networks and programs to have your own special support forum, but you won't see any ROI from it, not to mention you'll get maybe 2-3 people to come into your forum and actually post, and none of it is good either. What a steal of a lifetime! Seriously! The information on this forum is all about "how can this benefit our advertisers". Heavy censored stuff, and most of the tips they reveal are things that were mediocre years ago and are dead now. If I had a rubber stamp that could stamp a site as overrated 5 million times, this is the forum I'd push it at. The only real thing they have going for them is the age of the site and forums, and the fact that they have CJ.com blowing them. Of all of the ad networks and aff program owners I know who have said they advertised there, only one, yeah ONE, ShareASale has ever said they liked it and got good feedback. Everyone else says it's the biggest mistake and you should just stay away. They said it, not me, why do you think all of the worst advertisers, aff programs and networks advertise over there? Because either they are making a huge mistake and got suckered into it, or they are really bad and ABW is the only place they know of that will actually believe their BS and use their program.

More lists to come!
 
Great read jon....i also feel the same way about jill whalen i remember i all most brought her ebook she was selling:) Shoemoney his is a great marketer up there with Joel Comms. Very interesting list!!
 
By the way, I'm not doing this from a holier than thou point of view. I know I'm not perfect and I hype a lot, but I think it's a hell of a lot more important to voice your opinion and not play mr nice guy kissup to everyone, especially when you can clearly see there is something going on that others think the same but don't want to say it.

Well, I'll be the martyr for it then, you guys tell me who you think is overrated or underrated and I'll post it. My rep is fucked anyhow, so what's another bad or good reviews on industry people. I have a huuuuge list! No one is safe!
 
I dissagree with this thread. Jon it seems you are trying to create needless controversy. There are better ways to promote wickedfire .
 
I dissagree with this thread. Jon it seems you are trying to create needless controversy. There are better ways to promote wickedfire .

I'm not promoting WF any which way by doing the list. It was a question of doing it on my blog or on here, and on the blog it would be too big of a post and look like crap. It's fine if you disagree with the thread itself, no biggie.
 
Mike is the owner? I PMed him earlier thinking he was an affiliate manager. I asked him if he works for Copeac and he said yes.

He's going out of his way to help me -- definitely underrated.
 
When I read this list I was excited to see some of the people on the overrated list.

Its good to have the balls to just put it all out there. A lot of times people feel a certain way but some of these big wigs carry a lot of clout making the smaller known SEO/SEM etc susceptible to retaliation.

I have a list ..... I would love to add some to your list.. Let me know how ot proceed ;-)
 
When I read this list I was excited to see some of the people on the overrated list.

Its good to have the balls to just put it all out there. A lot of times people feel a certain way but some of these big wigs carry a lot of clout making the smaller known SEO/SEM etc susceptible to retaliation.

I have a list ..... I would love to add some to your list.. Let me know how ot proceed ;-)

Email it to me or IM it to me Joe. Shiiiet don't act like you don't know where to find me!
 
Isn't this one of the reasons all the good people left?

I know you're a big Shoemoney supporter, and I just want you to know I don't dislike him, just thought he was overrated.. harmless opinions.

But no, that's not why they left. You should ask them instead of me, I'm sure they'll let ya know.
 
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