This Could Change The World



If this drive really does work this will be the greatest discovery of the 21st century, maybe human history.
New Test Supports NASA's Controversial EM Drive - Slashdot

i'm not sure if they done the test already, but this is super interesting, EM Drive Developments - related to space flight applications - Thread 2
if the same results show in a vaccuum for the photons speed from A to B it basically means they have by accident discovered a "warp drive" as far as I understood that mambo jumbo ;-) anyhow, it's super exciting
 
Rossi generators based on cold fusion (E-CAT) were also called the new wonder of the world and they also were reported to be tested - but we do not see any of these around and I doubt we will. The same goes for EM drive.
 
Rossi generators based on cold fusion (E-CAT) were also called the new wonder of the world and they also were reported to be tested - but we do not see any of these around and I doubt we will. The same goes for EM drive.

for me the most exciting part of this is actually not if they come around any time soon.
if they can exclude this possibility it seems that to our knowledge of science only bending space time can explain the difference they measured
 
Rossi generators based on cold fusion (E-CAT) were also called the new wonder of the world and they also were reported to be tested - but we do not see any of these around and I doubt we will. The same goes for EM drive.

So far we have one UK test, one Chinese test and two US tests by NASA all confiring it works.

E-Cat worked in one test and failed in all the rest. In this case it's been successful every time, including NASA's hard vacuum chamber which many physicists would say would cause the system to fail. It did not fail at all.
 
Audi has made a fuel out of air and water which can be used for cars, I think that will be the biggest discovery of 21st century.

News of the hour - Audi bought by Saudi Emirates for 20 fuckzillion US dollars and all its discoveries are top secret now.

If they release the formula oil industry will crash. I will buy a huge bag of pop corn and watch the show.
 
Everything is so far away, to do some real damage we would have to have something better than just going faster.
 
Everything is so far away, to do some real damage we would have to have something better than just going faster.

True - but it's a start.

This tech would apparently enable us to fly to the moon in 4 hours (and to Mars in 70 days)... opening up the possibility of creating an actual Moon Base Alpha or, better yet, a Moon Unit Alpha and Moon Unit Zappa.

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This shit aint science fiction, it's all absolutely possible... if only we weren't using the greatest minds of the planet to sell diet pills to fatties on the internet.
 
No, NASA Did Not Accidentally Invent Warp Drive - Forbes

This still isn't properly peer reviewed, so we really need to take it for a grain of salt. Also it was the media, not NASA, that hyped this up by calling it a warp drive. You'd think a forum full of marketers wouldn't be fooled so easily by media hype.

On the other hand, it’s possible that this is sloppy research (it hasn’t been peer reviewed) by a team of people highly motivated to get a positive result (Harold “Sonny” White at NASA, the primary person who worked on this, is notorious for making extraordinary claims about warp drive and fictitious physics) and eager to jump to unwarranted, fantastic conclusions. This latter possibility should be the default position of any onlooker, at least until the device is tested in such a way that it clears all five of the basic hurdles we set forth to validate this claim. The possibility that this is merely a device doing absolutely nothing new under the Sun is too great, and one that we need to definitively rule out before proceeding further.

Humans have a long history of fooling ourselves with bad science; the truth of the matter is that we want to believe. And as great as this new technology would be, it need to be scrutinized properly, subjected to independent tests, reproduced and quantified under a whole slew of conditions. In short, we have to ensure that we aren’t fooling ourselves. And, so long as we want this device to be real, we’re still the easiest people to fool.
 
Bluechinagroup is pretty much the CollegeHumor 'Adam Ruins Everything'

I'd love there to be a warp drive too, especially in our lifetime. But I'm a realist, and a skeptic. There's some bad science going on, and this article explains it even better than the last one I posted.

That NASA Warp Drive? Yeah, It's Still Poppycock | WIRED

Last year, the Eagleworks lab—headed up by Harold “Sonny” White—said at a conference on propulsion technologies that they had measured thrust from an electromagnetic propulsion drive. The basic idea behind an EM drive, which is based on a design from a British engineer named Roger Shawyer, is that it can produce thrust by bouncing microwaves around in a cone-shaped metal cavity.

That would be awesome, of course, except it violates one of the fundamental tenets of physics: conservation of momentum. Saying that a drive can produce thrust without propellant going out the backside is kind of like saying that you can drive your car just by sitting in the driver’s seat and pushing on the dashboard.

Now, the last time this idea popped up it made a bunch of noise, which eventually settled down because of some pretty (ahem) obvious flaws in Eagleworks’ experiments. The physicists hadn’t run the tests in a vacuum—essential for measuring a subtle thrust signal. And while they had tested the drive under multiple conditions, one of them was intentionally set up wrong. That setup produced the same thrust signatures as the other conditions, suggesting that the signals the physicists were seeing were all artifacts.

This time around, Eagleworks researchers said they had addressed one of those problems. “We have now confirmed that there is a thrust signature in a hard vacuum,” wrote Eagleworks member Paul March in a forum. It was that post—all the way back in February—that led to most of last week’s hullabaloo.

Let’s be clear, though: Just because this time the group conducted its experiments in a hard vacuum doesn’t mean that an interstellar warp drive is soon to come. Marc Millis, who headed up the now-defunct Breakthrough Propulsion Physics lab at NASA’s Glenn Research Center—which, like Eagleworks, was dedicated to finding science-fiction-sounding ways to move a spaceship—says there are plenty of other interactions between the drive and the test chamber that could account for the results. “Even if it was done in a hard vacuum,” Millis says, “you have to take into account the distance between the drive and the chamber wall, whether those walls were conductive, and the geometry of the system.”

On top of that, there’s no way to be sure that the tests were run in a hard vacuum—because the only source of information is a post on an Internet forum. Not a peer-reviewed published result, not even a one-off conference proceeding. Let’s not do science like that, OK?
 
Yea I was just playing.

I almost failed Science every year in High School. 1 year the school made this incredibly easy program for all the science stupid kids to keep funding. No quizzes, homework, and I still almost didn't make it.
 
You know how stupid the media makes science look every time something like that comes up?

Back when CERN scientists measured the neutrino velocity as faster than the speed of light they knew damn well their data was faulty (because a neutrino is not a thing in a world in which the speed of light can be breached). They still released it, because thats what scientists do. You dont selectively only publish good results. Then some media dumbass comes around and claims scientists claimed neutrinos to be faster than the speed of light, whereas they simply measured that. A couple weeks later the mistake in the experimental setup was found to be a loose cable. Then some media dumbass comes around and writes "lol scientists fooled by loose cable".

Same issue. If theres a force measured here the whole scientific community obviously assumes the experiment is wrong, the people who did it just dont know what exactly went wrong. Its still important science progress to find a new way in which experiments can go wrong, so that future experiments can account for it. In the very rare event that you actually violate one of the more fundamental laws of physics, thats really great but nobody seriously expects that to happen. Other than sensationalist media assholes whod throw their own mother under the bus for a headline.
 
I'd love there to be a warp drive too, especially in our lifetime. But I'm a realist, and a skeptic. There's some bad science going on, and this article explains it even better than the last one I posted.

Nobody with a brain believes its 100% a working warp drive, but fuck me dead mate.. if everyone had a cynical attitude about it being impossible then nobody is going to accomplish it.

It's like the four minute mile, nobody believed it was possible... until someone did it, and then lots of people could do it because the mental 'impossibility' blockage was removed.

Even if it's not (and most likely isn't) technically warping spacetime, it's potentially an electric propulsion system which is a great advancement itself.
 
Nobody with a brain believes its 100% a working warp drive, but fuck me dead mate.. if everyone had a cynical attitude about it being impossible then nobody is going to accomplish it.

Even if it's not (and most likely isn't) technically warping spacetime, it's potentially an electric propulsion system which is a great advancement itself.

I'm not being cynical. I'm just being skeptical. How can you have propulsion without a fuel source? That's going into perpetual motion machine territory.

Hell even being able to travel at near the speed of light poses so many practical engineering challenges despite not violating the laws of physics.

It would pretty much do everyone in WF a bit of good to understand and appreciate how the scientific method works instead of projecting your fantasies.
 
I'm not being cynical. I'm just being skeptical. How can you have propulsion without a fuel source? That's going into perpetual motion machine territory.

It's generating microwaves and therefore electricity is your fuel source... It's not free energy at any stretch of the imagination. It could be powered by a nuclear fuel reactor, or solar power.. whatever.

That's how ion thrusters work already, they're actually used! Just very slow to build up speed.

Ion thruster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia