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BigWill said:
Meh you'll always get stuff like that. Just random people browsing from work
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Which is why TYPE-IN traffic is significant.
I've got a pretty decent method of breaking up risky traffic. It's not 100% solid yet.

  1. Traffic comes via your ad (pretty safe)
  2. Type In Traffic (depends)
    1. No GCLID (means the domain is NOT from a bookmark/the history)
    2. Has GCLID
      1. Hasn't Been accessed by that block of IPs (bad)
      2. Has been accessed previously through a real ad by that IP (very good)
      3. Has been accessed previously through an ad by that same block of IPs (depends)
        1. If IP is dynamic (good)
        2. If IP is proxy (good)
        3. Otherwise (kinda bad)
  3. E-Mail Referrer (bad)
  4. Internal referrer(very very bad)
If it has a gclid or whatever, look up which other IP accessed it using that id, and find out if it's the same region. The gclid SHOULD be unique for every click aside from those who bookmarked it or returned using their browsers autocomplete function. Best practices=blacklist used gclid after a week.
 
Maybe you guys should put a disclaimer on the bottom of your pages saying this is a fake advertisement and a paid testimonial, take the 20% hit on conversions, and know your ass is somewhat covered.
 
Ever think that some employee is buying product from your site for your use? What do you think everyone buying Acai berry works at mcdonalds?

Wow you guys are just paraniod
 
invisible777 said:
Maybe you guys should put a disclaimer on the bottom of your pages saying this is a fake advertisement and a paid testimonial, take the 20% hit on conversions, and know your ass is somewhat covered.
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I don't even run acai anymore, and had that when I did.
mkrongel said:
Ever think that some employee is buying product from your site for your use? What do you think everyone buying Acai berry works at mcdonalds?

Wow you guys are just paraniod
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I can be paranoid and be wrong a lot and never get totally screwed. If I'm not paranoid, and I'm wrong once...poof. There's nothing wrong with watching my ass. There's a lot of lawyers out there, and a lot of people who sue for stupid reasons. Even if I'm in the right, that doesn't mean I want to have to pay a lawyer to prove it.

Please tell me a justifiable reason to have multiple law firms showing up as TYPEIN traffic. No keyword, referrer, no cookie. And no one on their IP range has accessed it before.
And before anyone says 'crawler', one or two IPs came back again later, and this time the cookie stuck. Plus they'd have to execute javascript to show up in these stats, and had a significant lag time before hitting the offer. It's not a crawler.

I'm not a doomsayer saying "ahhh we're all fucked". I'm saying people are looking into these sites, so watch your ass.
 
xmcp123 said:
I don't even run acai anymore, and had that when I did.

I can be paranoid and be wrong a lot and never get totally screwed. If I'm not paranoid, and I'm wrong once...poof. There's nothing wrong with watching my ass. There's a lot of lawyers out there, and a lot of people who sue for stupid reasons. Even if I'm in the right, that doesn't mean I want to have to pay a lawyer to prove it.

Please tell me a justifiable reason to have multiple law firms showing up as TYPEIN traffic. No keyword, referrer, no cookie. And no one on their IP range has accessed it before.
And before anyone says 'crawler', one or two IPs came back again later, and this time the cookie stuck. Plus they'd have to execute javascript to show up in these stats, and had a significant lag time before hitting the offer. It's not a crawler.

I'm not a doomsayer saying "ahhh we're all fucked". I'm saying people are looking into these sites, so watch your ass.
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Bumping to point out that no one has come up with a reason for this, and also for a new lovely thread I found on the Google support forums. Keep the url non hotlinked, but I'll pull some of the choice quotes out. A fair number of the blogs are specifically named here.
google.com/support/forum/p/AdSense/thread?tid=1971df66dffac5a9&hl=en
About Faking the Display URL (specific to ediets)
I've recently discovered that this company is committing massive fraud, ranging from credit card transactions that are unauthorized to falsely identifying themselves as eDiets.com. Over the Thanksgiving weekend, the ads appeared identified as eDiets. That company is a legitimate diet company, publicly traded and with an excellent reputation. I called them, and discovered they had nothing to do with the ads. Rather, they're preparing a lawsuit, probably against Google to force the ads off the network.
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Government/FTC + Legal Related
I've already been notified that a lawsuit is being developed right now on this matter
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Yesterday, my Congressman's office had a representative of the FTC on the line with me. He informed me that they believe these ads are being run by either Nigerian or Eastern European operators who are involved in credit card scams. The Postal Inspector's Office said the same thing.
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My attorney is filing a formal protest with the company supplying this one distributor with the products. In addition, today I'm filing a formal FTC complaint against both the distributor and supplier as well as Google. Yes, because Google has failed to be responsive to the removal of these offensive ads which make false medical claims in their content, as well as false advertising claims in the content of their ads.
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From an Actual Employee of Google
Hi All,

I just wanted to let you know that this issue is being seen by the right people at Google. I can't tell you a whole lot beyond that, but please know that we definitely hear your concerns.

Jennifer
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xmcp123 said:
Bumping to point out that no one has come up with a reason for this, and also for a new lovely thread I found on the Google support forums. Keep the url non hotlinked, but I'll pull some of the choice quotes out. A fair number of the blogs are specifically named here.
google.com/support/forum/p/AdSense/thread?tid=1971df66dffac5a9&hl=en
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After reading all 68 comments on that thread here are my thoughts

1) I am glad I am out of acai now
2) I'm glad I don't only rely on Google for traffic
3) Apparently no one realizes these ads are from affiliates and everyone thinks the merchants are the ones running these sites
4) These people have no idea how adsense and adwords work
 
xmcp123 said:
About Faking the Display URL (specific to ediets)
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I guess what some advertisers forget, is that companies themselves will find out about shady tactics that are being used. Hell, if there's a record of who was doing the ads (easily traceable with a legal notice to GoDaddy and/or web host), I wouldn't be surprised if the affiliate(s) running the blog(s) would be included in a lawsuit, as well. I know first hand that companies will sue everyone and anyone for false advertising or similar claims, so the moral here is don't be stupid. Don't be stupid doesn't mean provide fake information and host overseas, it mean don't screw with the rules beyond a point that will get you sued.
 
 
Jsmith said:
Fake claims and shitty support by some companies will get you everytime.

Look at the Enzyte guy

Berkeley Premium Nutraceuticals, Six Indicted for Fraudulent Business Practices in Connection With Sales ; 112-count indictment alleges $100 million loss caused by fraud scheme. (21-SEP-06) The America's Intelligence Wire

Kubicki company to buy Berkeley Premium Nutraceuticals - Business Courier of Cincinnati:
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what i mean is: is google/facebook etc. going after the "____'s blog" method of advertising or the berries harder. do they dislike the berry product of fraudulent way of advertising them worse?
 
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