Wanting to get into the PPC game, Not sure where to start?

echel0n

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I'm a n00b here that just joined up and have been reading at various sites on how to make money with PPC/Adsense/AM and I must say the wealth of info has basically got me stuck at were to start out.

I've got a a budget of $5k to start out with and am looking for all the help I can get to get started with PPC and start making a nice profitable monthly income revenue source.

From what I gather I'll require the following:
#1. Micro-Niche to get into.
#2. Exact Match Domain for Micro-Niche Site.
#3. Main Money Making Web Site Hosted Somewhere on WordPress.
#4. Join some affiliate marketing networks.
#5. WP Auto-blogs to help with page ranking and backlinking for money site.

I'm sure I've left something out or possibly misunderstood something so I'm coming here to seek out more advice and help in this journey towards making online money!

If anyone can provide up some example wordpress themes for my main money site that be great as well as I would like to get an idea of what one should look like.

Also should I be creating landing pages that link back to the main site or ?

I'm sure I'll have MANY more questions as I go along but just would like to get started out.

Thanks!
 


I started out already with a proficiency in HTML/CSS, so I liked having direct control over my landing page (+ content pages, if applicable). I could dramatically change the layout around for split-tests just by serving up two different layouts that took me 10 minutes to change.

My first venture into PPC was a "reviews style" landing page that compared different coffee products. The Adwords campaign linked straight to my review page that had 5 different affiliate products ranked from 5-stars to 3-stars. An interesting "review" blurb was posted next to each one with the entire <div> linking straight to the company landing page. I picked the coffee niche by simple having namecheap.com open + the affiliate network offers list open and seeing what domains were available for various offers. I quickly found cheap-coffee.com and decided to go with coffee :D (domain is now defunct).

I grossed $100 my first week, which was really inspiring since I'd only put in maybe 10 hours (most of it spent just reading about Adwords campaigns and hunting WF titty threads). Once I had that baseline, I was really motivated to learn the rest, like split-testing and the plethora of optimizations from the Ad campaign level to the website usability level.

My reviews page then turned into "The 5 Best Coffees for ______", with the _____ ranging from weight loss to ADHD. That's when I learned about targeting Adwords with query-dependent parameters to pass to my page. Eventually, it turned into a more content-rich website about health benefits of coffee (and actually turned into a tea-based website when I found a better affiliate program. heh).

I never grossed more than $500/week from it in the coming months, but without establishing that I could make money, I probably would have never followed through and stuck to affiliate marketing.

My point is that you probably want to start off as simple as possible, else you risk burning out by trying so many things without really getting any results. I recommend initially avoiding organic SEO if you're focused on PPC. Searchability is just a distraction when you're already buying a link on the first page of Google. It prematurely throws in a variable that you shouldn't have to deal with when you're working on the Adwords->Sale pipeline. But branch out as you start seeing results or at least seeing why you're not getting any.
 
I started out already with a proficiency in HTML/CSS, so I liked having direct control over my landing page (+ content pages, if applicable). I could dramatically change the layout around for split-tests just by serving up two different layouts that took me 10 minutes to change.

My first venture into PPC was a "reviews style" landing page that compared different coffee products. The Adwords campaign linked straight to my review page that had 5 different affiliate products ranked from 5-stars to 3-stars. An interesting "review" blurb was posted next to each one with the entire <div> linking straight to the company landing page. I picked the coffee niche by simple having namecheap.com open + the affiliate network offers list open and seeing what domains were available for various offers. I quickly found cheap-coffee.com and decided to go with coffee :D (domain is now defunct).

I grossed $100 my first week, which was really inspiring since I'd only put in maybe 10 hours (most of it spent just reading about Adwords campaigns and hunting WF titty threads). Once I had that baseline, I was really motivated to learn the rest, like split-testing and the plethora of optimizations from the Ad campaign level to the website usability level.

My reviews page then turned into "The 5 Best Coffees for ______", with the _____ ranging from weight loss to ADHD. That's when I learned about targeting Adwords with query-dependent parameters to pass to my page. Eventually, it turned into a more content-rich website about health benefits of coffee (and actually turned into a tea-based website when I found a better affiliate program. heh).

I never grossed more than $500/week from it in the coming months, but without establishing that I could make money, I probably would have never followed through and stuck to affiliate marketing.

My point is that you probably want to start off as simple as possible, else you risk burning out by trying so many things without really getting any results. I recommend initially avoiding organic SEO if you're focused on PPC. Searchability is just a distraction when you're already buying a link on the first page of Google. It prematurely throws in a variable that you shouldn't have to deal with when you're working on the Adwords->Sale pipeline. But branch out as you start seeing results or at least seeing why you're not getting any.

I've programmed in many different languages including HTML/PHP so "Adwords with query-dependent parameters" does interest me and I wonder if I'm better actually creating the landing page in say ASP.net instead as I could have 1 landing page that depending on what key word was used to search would then cause the landing page to pull up another landing page based on the keyword or phrase, anyways something there to toy with.

Yes you are correct that I'm more interested in PPC then SEO as I'll be going for low competitive long-tail keywords with high search numbers so I will probably already be ranked fairly high in the search engine to start with and can worry about SEO'n if I need to when it comes to that point.

Starting off simple is ALWAYS the best idea I agree as this ensures you put more focus into one thing instead of several things which could lead to less quality and just more quantity that doesn't pay of in the end.

Right now my main goal would be to making $2500 a month from PPC ads and then go from there as that would cover most of my own personal bills back here at home and allow me more time to focus on expanding this PPC venture.

Coffee is a good niche to get into and it would be something I'm passionate about as I do love my coffee! I was debating on using "microniche finder" to hunt down long-tail keywords to start my micro-niche sites with as well.

Would you consider your "landing page" as your "main money making site" or would that be like a forum/wordpress site ?
 
echel0n - I'm in the exact same spot - I've subscribed to this thread and am looking forward to following you - and hopefully motivate myself to get my ass in gear.
 
Currently looking into which hosting provider I should go with and if I should go with shared hosting or a VPS ?

Not so sure I'll be using ADWords to promot my landing page as I think if it's low enough on the competition and has enough searches behind it I can get by with using a exact match domain name along with some micro-niche auto-blogs surrounding the same micro-niche I pickout for my landing page/affiliate network ads.

Couple things that are still unclear to me are:
#1. Should each site/landing page be setup with a different ip address ?

#2. Is it really worth it to use adwords or would autoblogs work just fine for getting traffic to the site/landing page ?

#3. Does it pay off working in micro-niche's that revolve around certain holidays that are currently going on ?

#4. Should I use adsese ads and affiliate ads on the same landing page ?

#5. How many ads is to many to place onto a landing page ?
 
beyondhosting.net for good VPS. I've been very happy with their service.

It's going to be much faster than shared, but if you're on a tight budget, shared works too.
 
beyondhosting.net for good VPS. I've been very happy with their service.

It's going to be much faster than shared, but if you're on a tight budget, shared works too.

If the ip address can be the same for all my landing pages then you think I could get by on just hosting it from one of my servers I have at home connected to a dedicated 15Mb Cable Internet connection ?
 
Currently looking into which hosting provider I should go with and if I should go with shared hosting or a VPS ?

Not so sure I'll be using ADWords to promot my landing page as I think if it's low enough on the competition and has enough searches behind it I can get by with using a exact match domain name along with some micro-niche auto-blogs surrounding the same micro-niche I pickout for my landing page/affiliate network ads.

Couple things that are still unclear to me are:
#1. Should each site/landing page be setup with a different ip address ?

#2. Is it really worth it to use adwords or would autoblogs work just fine for getting traffic to the site/landing page ?

#3. Does it pay off working in micro-niche's that revolve around certain holidays that are currently going on ?

#4. Should I use adsese ads and affiliate ads on the same landing page ?

#5. How many ads is to many to place onto a landing page ?


1. IP address differentiation? Don't worry about it until you're running a large-scale inter-linking operation, which you won't be.

2. The question of using Adwords vs Autoblogs is really a question of focusing on paid, immediate traffic vs slow, organic, SEO-concentrated traffic. And autoblogging is just one very small strain of a general concept of building backlinks to your website. You seem to see it as a definitive method of backlinking, but I suggest you just look at it as an ancillary tool to your overall backlink strategy.

Paid traffic vs Search engine traffic are very different and non-interchangeable. Getting ranked in the SERPs (search engine result pages) isn't the same as directly funneling people to landing pages designed to best match their search query. The former generally makes sense for your website as a whole while the latter is generally for concentrated targetting. Paid traffic is also immediate while SEO (mostly entailing backlink-building) takes months.

As a longer-term strategy, it seems to make most sense to learn first how to send PPC traffic to landing pages first. Once you learn how to optimize campaigns and pull revenue, then you might consider building a more meaty website behind it with SEO as a long term goal. An example would be to start PPCing some traffic to various offers you're testing. Boat hammock seem to be the latest craze as those offers are profitable for you, so you might build a boat hammock website behind it.

This is a rudimentary and superfluous illustration, but I'm trying to establish a difference between PPC vs SEO strategies.

3. seasonal offers pay off.

4. do NOT use adsense and affiliate ads on the same page ever. it's such a conflict of means, and for obvious reasons if you think about it. adsense pays for people clicking away from your website. affiliate links pay for a specific call to action: the sale. a landing page + a PPC campaign are supposed to work together to target and funnel interested buyers to a page where they will follow through and buy a product (if applicable). why are you adding noise to the sales mix with adsense ads, which cheapen and dillute your call to action anyways?

5. one ad is too many on a landing page. adsense is for pages with no call to action, no sale, no funnel, no submit, or anything else that you don't want the user being distracted from. it's good on article pages, forum pages, non-sales websites.
 
echel0n - I'm in the exact same spot - I've subscribed to this thread and am looking forward to following you - and hopefully motivate myself to get my ass in gear.

I move my eyes lazily from topic to topic to try and absorb any scrap of information tossed out there. But hey, I just put some like button on one of my content blogs maybe that'll get me some more traffic lol.
 
If you're doing PPC start with direct linking. Get a domain and put tracking on it, prosper202. Then pick an offer in gaming/dating and run something on facebook or google content network with a 15-25 dollar test budget. If you're close to breakeven, optimize. If you're profitable, scale by porting to other traffic sources, testing more ad variations, and perhaps getting a higher payout. If you're extremely negative roi test a new offer with a similar budget. That's PPC in a nutshell. If you run autoblog traffic to your presell page this is organic traffic, not ppc. Direct linking is running your PPC ad directly to the CPA offer's page with no page of your own in between (other than your tracking link if you're using one). Direct linking leadgen in my opinion is best to start out with because you eliminate the variables a presell/landing page of your own would introduce.

It's really as simple as that. Direct link an applicable leadgen offer with a test budget of about 10-20 times the payout and see what happens. Make about 5 different ads for it to start with. This is the essence of ppc. PPC arbitrage is what this used to be called. You spend less than you make. The difference is profit. Scale if you get positive roi campaigns. The hard part is in testing and the work ethic needed to keep testing and testing after failures. Offers with higher payouts require more preselling so don't start with those. Forget autoblogs, forget seo, If you've got a few grand to play with the obvious choice is PPC. Join c2m, a4d, NB, azoogle, and some others if they have good reps. Good luck, and keep testing even after failures.

Generally in CPA if you're doing PPC you have no "money making site" as you alluded to, you just drive paid traffic to your offer either thru a presell or just direct. There is no search engine traffic - if you are going direct to the affiliate offer there's nothing to index on search engines, and if you have a landing page of your own (an intermediary page between your ad and the offer), it's usually just a single page that isn't fit for search engines and definitely isn't seo optimized. Some people have like review sites that you can arbitrage thru PPC effectively as well as search engines, but you certainly don't want to start with something like that, and they're not as in vogue as they used to be, although they can still be done effectively.
 
If you're doing PPC start with direct linking. Get a domain and put tracking on it, prosper202. Then pick an offer in gaming/dating and run something on facebook or google content network with a 15-25 dollar test budget. If you're close to breakeven, optimize. If you're profitable, scale by porting to other traffic sources, testing more ad variations, and perhaps getting a higher payout. If you're extremely negative roi test a new offer with a similar budget. That's PPC in a nutshell. If you run autoblog traffic to your presell page this is organic traffic, not ppc. Direct linking is running your PPC ad directly to the CPA offer's page with no page of your own in between (other than your tracking link if you're using one). Direct linking leadgen in my opinion is best to start out with because you eliminate the variables a presell/landing page of your own would introduce.

It's really as simple as that. Direct link an applicable leadgen offer with a test budget of about 10-20 times the payout and see what happens. Make about 5 different ads for it to start with. This is the essence of ppc. PPC arbitrage is what this used to be called. You spend less than you make. The difference is profit. Scale if you get positive roi campaigns. The hard part is in testing and the work ethic needed to keep testing and testing after failures. Offers with higher payouts require more preselling so don't start with those. Forget autoblogs, forget seo, If you've got a few grand to play with the obvious choice is PPC. Join c2m, a4d, NB, azoogle, and some others if they have good reps. Good luck, and keep testing even after failures.

Generally in CPA if you're doing PPC you have no "money making site" as you alluded to, you just drive paid traffic to your offer either thru a presell or just direct. There is no search engine traffic - if you are going direct to the affiliate offer there's nothing to index on search engines, and if you have a landing page of your own (an intermediary page between your ad and the offer), it's usually just a single page that isn't fit for search engines and definitely isn't seo optimized. Some people have like review sites that you can arbitrage thru PPC effectively as well as search engines, but you certainly don't want to start with something like that, and they're not as in vogue as they used to be, although they can still be done effectively.

This post has cleared up alot of misinformation I had on PPC!

Starting out with direct-linking sounds like the way to go to get my feet wet and when I'm ready I will probably end up using landing pages to sell the more higher payout CPA's.

Now besides doing PPC with CPA offers is there a way to make money off adsense ads as it's my understanding you make money by simply convincing the viewer to click on the ad correct ? If so is this something that can be done via black hatting to properly convert the views to clicks to gain profit quicker ? Also would this be considered a possible long term income stream using adsense ?

Thanks once again!!!
 
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Now besides doing PPC with CPA offers is there a way to make money off adsense ads as it's my understanding you make money by simply convincing the viewer to click on the ad correct ? If so is this something that can be done via black hatting to properly convert the views to clicks to gain profit quicker ? Also would this be considered a possible long term income stream using adsense ?


This (pure PPC to PPC arb) isn't feasible any more (as least not easily). That would be more of pure arbitrage. Also, Google is quick to shut down AdSense accounts.

With PPC to CPA direct linking, the value-add of the affiliate, in addition to matching the right offer with the right traffic, is ad creative, ad placement, and ad timing.
 
+rep dubbyah




This (pure PPC to PPC arb) isn't feasible any more (as least not easily). That would be more of pure arbitrage. Also, Google is quick to shut down AdSense accounts.

With PPC to CPA direct linking, the value-add of the affiliate, in addition to matching the right offer with the right traffic, is ad creative, ad placement, and ad timing.

So what your saying is PPC to CPA direct linking would be my BEST choice for starting out in Affiliate Marketing ?
 
I was under the impression it was preferable to throw up some landing pages and work the testing angle. Is it really too much of a steep learning curve to throw landing pages into the mix right away?

Edit: I realise this is probably a variable between people, just wanted to get a feel for where on the bell curve it sits.
 
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I was under the impression it was preferable to throw up some landing pages and work the testing angle. Is it really too much of a steep learning curve to throw landing pages into the mix right away?

Edit: I realise this is probably a variable between people, just wanted to get a feel for where on the bell curve it sits.

I'm in the same boat as you on trying to decide between direct linking and landing pages as it's my understanding right now landing pages are really just used to HELP convert those viewers to buyers for the more tricky expensive products you may be trying to sell via whatever affiliate network your working with.

Just want to start making some dough here :)
 
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There are really no secrets when it comes to PPC. The information that Google provides is really all you need to know. Study all of that first, seriously. To make money with affiliate programs, it takes A LOT of testing because chances are if there is an affiliate program that's worth anything, there's competiton in the niche. That's both from other affiliates and the program owners.

Honestly, if you break even, or even if you lose a bit of money you're doing better than most people. Most people don't have $5k to start with either. If you are certified and have some stats to show off you can start consulting and make real money.
 
I'm in the same boat as you on trying to decide between direct linking and landing pages as it's my understanding right now landing pages are really just used to HELP convert those viewers to buyers for the more tricky expensive products you may be trying to sell via whatever affiliate network your working with.

Just want to start making some dough here :)

Ok, I'll chime in here quickly.


Yes, PPC done "CORRECTLY" and direct linking can be the FASTEST way to start making money online. (Not to scare you off, but people have lost their asses in PPC who did not understand how to use it properly.)


With that in mind I will add this:

1.) You really should look at Adsense as the TIP left at a restaurant. (You are the restaurant owner and want to be paid for the MEAL!! LOL)


As said above, it should really only be used on pages with no call to action for anything else. (Though it is still BETTER to just find another offer that relates to those pages and then put in a call to action for that offer.)


2.) If you are using PPC to drive traffic to an offer as an affiliate, the only times that "I" would consider using a landing page is:


A.) You are promoting an offer with stiff competition and want to set yourself apart by offering people who buy through your link something extra for free that they can redeem after making a purchase.

When you use your own landing page for an offer that already has a GOOD LP your click through rate will be lower to the offer.


B.) You are going to be promoting other similar products and want to start building a LIST of people who are interested in that niche so you can market to them later without having to use PPC the next time around. You can offer them something FREE like a PDF ebook (BOO HISS!! LOL) with more information about the subject and BE SURE to have the offer's link in it with a call to action. These leads can actually be MUCH more profitable long term than the current offer that you garnered them from.

If option B is the point then you are actually making a Squeeze Page.


I'm a pretty firm believer in building lists. Lists are YOURS!! You have control of the people seeing an offer with a list. You can market to the same people multiple times. It's also a proven FACT that a person who has bought once, will be more likely to buy again provided they had a good experience the first time.


A lot of people look at SEO for the long term. Algorithms can change and your page can go up & down.


If you are a diligent list builder and maintain that list you will not have to worry about getting traffic to any offer or site that you are promoting. Just shoot out an email and get people to look at the site/offer. One of the nice things about a list is that you don't have to keep getting TONS of new domains to offer new products. You can just have ONE main domain and then for each new offer you promote you can just create FREE sub-domains with your host and not even have to worry about what to name the domain. Since it will be a sub-domain and you will be marketing to a list without concern for search engine rankings, you can use the EXACT name of the offer/product. (Less time and headache for each new offer.) Then, if the offer petters out just kill the sub domain. No problem.

It really does NOT take that much effort to keep lists up to date and active. (Once you get the hang of it that is. Lulz)

Another good thing about having ACTIVE and RESPONSIVE lists is that affiliate networks really like working affiliates who have large lists to put their offers in front of. Not to mention the Joint Venture opportunities that arise from list sharing.

Of course list building does take some time, but it's WELL worth it for the long term. There is NOT one 7 figure earner out there that does not have and use lists for their businesses. You start building a list the first day you start doing business online.


Learn about list building and Opt-Ins as soon as you can. Most people either ignore this or do it poorly. The old adage of "The Money is in The List" is absolutely true.


OK, to sum it up in a nutshell:

You can either SLAUGHTER the sheep and sell the whole thing outright. One time profit from that commodity. Granted, it may be a higher initial payout, but you only get it once.

OR

You can decide to just harvest and sell the sheep's wool. Maybe a lower payout at first, but it will be an income source for the life of the sheep. So, you just get more sheep to stay on your farm/list so that you have more fleece to harvest and sell each sheering season.


Since you have some money and programming experience you are a good 80% ahead of anyone starting in IM/AM.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

P.S. Just did a quick search and this blog pretty much says what I feel and also gives you something to AVOID on a squeeze page.

Tellman's List Building Blog
 
IPs are more for SEO rather, If you are going to send paid traffic, I wouldn't worry about it too much and just host everything on one IP.

Also, there's lots of coupons for google/bing/etc, so try to find those when starting out. You're ahead of the game already if you are familiar with html/php/mysql

good luck
 
Midas Touch is right about lists, especially if you're thinking about promoting e-mail submits or anything.

What is the affiliate program doing? They're paying you to build their list. Where do they make their money? Off their list. Are they going to pay you what it's actually worth? Of course not. It's not as simple as buying traffic and being paid a flat amount, but it is worth the investment.

Another thing to worry about pay per lead affiliate programs. They pay everyone the same amount per lead. When you send them PPC, you are sending them pretty much the best traffic you can. So you're sending them good leads. Most people are sending shitty leads. Your traffic is worth way more than the average, yet you get paid as if you were average.