we are going to do a arbi test!
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that tool is for people who are buying ads on adwords and want to limit the cost of their (bought) clicks.
yea. for example, you're not gonna get anywhere with dating niche from what I've tried. then again I'm new so w/e.
i think the main matter would be paying more for bids.. the more compeition you have in that niche, the more higher the bids will be.
pull up the Credit niche and youll see what i mean
I have tried dating, m-f stuff is just a waste of time, gay dating has done better, the CTR is higher, but the payout is only .15-.30 a click.. so if you have a rough day where ppl just don't click thru you are screwed.
Basically Im breaking even. All this work for breaking even just isnt worth it. I have tried high paying keywords with high volume, tried only one adsense per page, still only the highest for one click 1.09. That happened once. Basically each click has been around 0.20 to 0.40. If im paying between 10-20 cents for the click its useless, even at a 50% CTR which would make me break even. If you penny all the searches then you dont get very much traffic.
I have to admit I did learn a lot from the experience though which is what my initial goal before starting ppc.
THe main problem is getting higher paying clicks and figuring out how to get them. I know some affilites pay 60$ but after dividing it by how many clicks it gets down around 1 dollar, if that.
I think I might give affiliate marketing a try becuase of the much higher payouts but of course its a much harder game.
I have to admit I did learn a lot from the experience though which is what my initial goal before starting ppc.
THe main problem is getting higher paying clicks and figuring out how to get them. I know some affilites pay 60$ but after dividing it by how many clicks it gets down around 1 dollar, if that.
I think I might give affiliate marketing a try becuase of the much higher payouts but of course its a much harder game.
andyem - how long have you been doing arbitrage? there are quite a few people here making good money, someone told me they are making $2000 a month and have only done arbitrage for less than 3 months.
this is a volume game though, how many pages do you have up? why are you spending $.20 a click? Jon says max $.06 a click, I go up to $.15 a click on a few keywords that get high traffic.
you do have to invest some money and time to make anything work, usually people give up just before great things happen. If you are putting up pages and not testing all variables you are going to fail. If you are breaking even that should be a sign that it can be done.
You also say all this work, how much work? days, months? this is not a 10minutes = $1000 a day job!
just trying to help
this is a volume game though, how many pages do you have up? why are you spending $.20 a click? Jon says max $.06 a click, I go up to $.15 a click on a few keywords that get high traffic.
you do have to invest some money and time to make anything work, usually people give up just before great things happen. If you are putting up pages and not testing all variables you are going to fail. If you are breaking even that should be a sign that it can be done.
You also say all this work, how much work? days, months? this is not a 10minutes = $1000 a day job!
just trying to help
I'm feeling the same as you; I can't seem to hit a winning combination of niche/CTR. Don't give up though, if it were so easy everyone would be making hundreds of dollars their first week of arbitrage. I'm learning more with each site I build. Why not keep doing arbitrage and branch out into affiliate marketing? Nobody said you have to do one or the other.
No prob chris. Actually many of your points in this post kept me at even or else I would have seriously lost. I only put 25$ the first time and now just added another 25$. The only problem with 7search is the 10000 word max then you have to get another account I wish it could be all in the same account. I have been doing it for about 2-3 weeks. I know it isnt much time in the big picture but I think I might do both.
MSN -> Affilaite
7 search -> Adsense
From the looks of things both seem to be very different in approach and want to get used to both of them. Its good to know there are people out there making some nice coin doing this. I only hear about affilaite marketing but its nice to know there are many other ways.
Have you tried using Adcenter or Adwords for Arbi? I have been thinking of trying them along side 7 search and comparing the both. Reason Im asking is cause you can geotarget certain areas where higher paying keyword might be.
MSN -> Affilaite
7 search -> Adsense
From the looks of things both seem to be very different in approach and want to get used to both of them. Its good to know there are people out there making some nice coin doing this. I only hear about affilaite marketing but its nice to know there are many other ways.
Have you tried using Adcenter or Adwords for Arbi? I have been thinking of trying them along side 7 search and comparing the both. Reason Im asking is cause you can geotarget certain areas where higher paying keyword might be.
LOL I guess it has been working for me since I havent actually lost. I think I'll take Chris's advice and keep refining it and adding more topics. Or maybe doing a combo with adsense plus link to affiliate.
andy - I use most of the engines now for both. Using adwords for arbitrage is the last thing you should do though. It ain't easy and I get better results sending adwords traffic to yahoo and vice versa - if you have only spent $50 you have not done enough yet, if you are still having the problems at $150 invested well maybe there is a problem then
I can invest more its just I'm dont want to commit to much in one area. Im using some money over at adcenter. I'm just testing things out at the moment getting used to what works and what doesnt. I dont mind losing cash but want to minimize how much I lose during the learning process. I want to get my feet wet in all areas before I make a really big push with some coin.
Would you suggest more niches less words per or less niches more words per?
not sure I understand the question but there are thousands of niches, if by words you mean keywords, I don't run an excessive amount of keywords per page, some of my pages have 1 or 2 keywords that get lots of traffic, the page is set to that particular keyword. I avoid putting the keyword in the general niche
Ahh okay. I havent tried that angle yet. I have been using 1500-2000 keywords all priced differently depending on traffic. I'll always put myself at most #3 spot on the higher paying keywords which ususaly goes around 10-20cents. I'll try that way now maybe 3-5 words per page and really make each page focused. Thx for the help (again) chris.
Greetings all,
Great thread and great forum. I've been lurking in the shadows for couple weeks now and after finishing this 46 page thread i was left wondering; how do link units convert for you guys/gals? I only have one arbi up and in 2 weeks it only got one or two click(s). Are those a no-no for arbitrage?
TIA
Great thread and great forum. I've been lurking in the shadows for couple weeks now and after finishing this 46 page thread i was left wondering; how do link units convert for you guys/gals? I only have one arbi up and in 2 weeks it only got one or two click(s). Are those a no-no for arbitrage?
TIA
I took Chris's advice and went with high traffic keywords and about 5-20 keywords for each arbi page and its working. Give the pages some time to perform. Dont overbid because if you make 20-40C per click and are bidding 20-25 cents then you'll either break even or lose. Try between 5C and 15 C on your bids and see what happens. My advice make an arbi in every sector like shopping, law, medicine etc, and go from there. Some niches convert and different times of the day and different days of the week. Once you have enough sites you'll be getting clicks all day all week. Im at 10 sites and get clicks throughout the day and the week. The key with adsense is huge amounts of traffic to get the most clicks possible becuase you arent selling anything to the user you just want him/her to click.
lol, i get a chuckle everytime i hear someone use that insult.....'asshat'
the visual is funny
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