What Can The Networks Do Better? Thats Right The Networks Should Be Taking Notes!
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I just now saw this but I have to ask you ROIShare...
Do you think that after an affiliates "shady leads" go for an offer, you can turn back the hands of time and take care of them? I'm with Steve from MB - you have no idea what you're getting into if you are basing your assumptions on the fact that you can reverse what people do and/or one affiliate won't affect YOUR relationship with the merchant as the network.
Do you think that after an affiliates "shady leads" go for an offer, you can turn back the hands of time and take care of them? I'm with Steve from MB - you have no idea what you're getting into if you are basing your assumptions on the fact that you can reverse what people do and/or one affiliate won't affect YOUR relationship with the merchant as the network.
Just so I'm clear on your position ... you're in favor of other people using the right link but you don't feel obligated to do so. Much akin to a person leeching off of a torrent and then shutting it down and not sharing.
EPC is really shitty data to begin with, but I've realized that it's for the benefit of others on the network. This is borderline collusion for networks to share your data with other affs even if it's not your keywords and ROI.
EPC really shouldn't be made readily available to the public. If you want to share industry inside information, shouldn't one put together some kind of mastermind group?
Pixals are un-reliable and there is absolutely no need for them when using your sub-id fields correctly.
Since I got a PM I'm posting here about using directtrack webservices. Here's a php file that lets you connect to a DirectTrack network and update your prosper202's subids so you can see your conversions. it uses the webservices api and updates the mysql server that prosper is on. It uses NuSOAP SourceForge.net: NuSOAP - SOAP Toolkit for PHP. You schedule this file using cron to run every hour or however often you want your leads updated. If you're also using pixels you don't have to run it too often. If you have any questions you can post here or PM me.
Also, in response to MaxSteve and farmers markets, haggling, etc another good example of a place where you can always get the lowest price is Amazon.com where I bought almost all my Christmas stuff, and so did alot of other people. Check it out:
Amazon.com shares soar on rosy outlook, holiday sales | Reuters
NOTE: In the code below the client code is capitalized and linked, but it should be all lowercase and just text in your php file. In the case of the network below; if you don't have an account you should sign up by typing in the url directly instead of clicking on someone's referral link because you will get a better payout if you don't have a referral.
Code:
<?php
// Include the required SOAP classes
require_once('lib/nusoap.php');
// ** MySQL settings ** //
$dbname = 'dbname'; // The name of the database for prosper
$dbuser = 'dbuser'; // Your MySQL username
$dbpass = 'dbpass'; // ...and password
$dbhost = 'dbhost'; // your database ip
//** Network settings ** //
$add_code = 'CDXXXXX'; // your affiliate id
$password = 'password';
$client = 'ads4dough'; //ex: cpaempire, cash4creatives
$soap_server = 'https://secure.directtrack.com/api/soap_affiliate.php';
$dbconnect = mysql_connect($dbhost,$dbuser,$dbpass);
$dbselect = mysql_select_db($dbname);
$client = new soapclient($soap_server);
$date = date("Y-m-d");
$params = array('client' => $client, 'add_code' => $add_code,
'password' => $password, 'start_date'=>$date, 'end_date' =>
$date);
$return_string = $client->call('optionalInfo', $params);
$aarray = split('<Info>' , $return_string);
$count = 0;
foreach($aarray as $x) {
$a2 = split('</Info>', $x);
if($count != 0) {
//print_r($a2[0]);
//print "\n";
$click_id = $a2[0];
$click_id = mysql_real_escape_string($click_id);
$update_sql = "UPDATE 202_clicks SET click_lead='1', `click_filtered`='0' WHERE click_id='" . $click_id ."' AND user_id=1";
$update_result = mysql_query($update_sql) or die(mysql_error());
$update_sql = "UPDATE 202_clicks_spy SET click_lead='1', `click_filtered`='0' WHERE click_id='" . $click_id ."' AND user_id=1";
$update_result = mysql_query($update_sql) or die(mysql_error());
}
$count++;
}
unset($client);
?>
I have a campaign that (could) produce a lead with 3-4 networks depending on certain criteria. THAT is why pixels rock sometimes.
In that case ok it would be slightly easier to use a pixal but even if you don't using the sub-id method with the right software would only take an extra 5 minutes to set up over the pixal.
Slightly more work on your part rather then sending code to someone else to put on there site.
But I speak like this because I run my own software solutions which greatly benefit the use of the sub-ids over pixals so don't get me wrong right now some people may find pixals better then the sub-id, all I'm really saying is that when done correctly the sub-id is all the affiliate ever really needs.
No, certainly not. But having them close down their shady traffic, and running legit traffic would be a goal. If they don't plan to go down the right route, then you pull their whole account. Done. I'm an optimistic person, and give everyone a 2nd chance.
I vote for +ban to ROIWhoreTeam. He constantly thread jacks and I'm tired of seeing him post. He HAS to have the most posts daily compared to anybody.
Get busy on your fucking network and leave us alone.
Get busy on your fucking network and leave us alone.
To be honest the payouts in your sig are not realistic. I 100% as an experienced internet marketer for over 10 years knows that something isnt right with those offers, just another highest payout BS marketing technique that doesnt work with real affiliates.
To everyone:
What is a fair margin for networks to keep?
stop supporting advertisers that blantantly shave. i mean the new offer that converts at 10% then 1 month later its walking down a flight of stairs from 10-8-6-4%,etc. And don't tell me its my traffic its BS is what it is. it damages both the advertiser, the network who keeps on running the offers and (in my case) sends me looking elsewhere for more stable offers to run away from the cpa field. after all ppc is ppc the world doesn't end at cpa. i'd rather run offers that are still profitable 6 weeks later even if its less money than do the same amount of work every bloody month. if the advertiser can't make the offer profitable, pull it or reset the payout leave the shaver turned off.
remove the street payouts. just post what you feel you can pay for an offer. no more haggling with networks over bumps. hats off to the networks that already do this you know your offers are always first in my split rotation.
remove the street payouts. just post what you feel you can pay for an offer. no more haggling with networks over bumps. hats off to the networks that already do this you know your offers are always first in my split rotation.
Honestly as an affiliate as long as the market payouts keep at a norm and don't drop like a bastard, and we can remain competitive and profitable then I personally don't care what the networks cut is.
Hell if your paying out a $3 or $4 lead to us and we can bank from that offer, I could care less if your making $20 from the merchant for that lead.
Obviously those are not real numbers but the point is as long as the affiliate companies are not flat out giving us the shaft, then they deserve to earn there cut.
I see a lot of people bitch that the affiliate companies have a 10,20,30 percent cut and they say hey if they only took a 2 or 5% cut we could be making way more.
Well for those greedy bastards they can go fuck themselves, cause the great thing about being an affiliate is that I don't have to go out and deal with merchants, I don't have to go our and deal with hundreds of companies, I don't have to do a large majority of work that would otherwise be required if the affiliate companies were not there.
Yes they are middle men and yes they do make tons of cash but to all honestly most of them deserve it.
Notice how I said most and personally I can only say that I honestly trust 3 companies in this industry and those are Copeac, MaxBounty, and Neverblue ads, the others I've dealt with I never did like or there always seemed something fishy about them.
Also that last paragraph should not be assumed that I'm saying all the rest are shit or otherwise doing something wrong but its to make the point that I believe in having a trustful working relationship with the companies I deal with instead of having an all out war.
Like Aequitas said, I don't care. As long as the network and I am both profitable I'm happy. The percentage you guys keep doesn't bother me one bit, nor do I ever care about it. It's the LAST thing on my mind, but that's just me.
Depends how much traffic your pushing to the offer of course.
Personally, I like ads4dough. If I ask, they tell me how much they get paid for the offer. I know exactly how much they are making off me. All networks should be like that. The information isn't all that sensitive and it sure as hell makes me trust the network a lot more. Well, at least for people pushing significant numbers. I can understand not telling people who do a few leads a day but for serious affiliates, that information should be easily obtained.
Wow what a feisty thread.
Honestly though everything starts with trust. Without trust between networks and affiliates we have nothing. And ROIShare I hate to say it but you're hurting that trust not helping it with a lot of you posts.
With regards to payouts we really give what we find as fair. We set a fairly high street price and then depending on the offer will go as low as 5-15% margin. But a LOT goes into that. What most affiliates don't realize is that we act as a bank while taking quite a large amount of risk.
What do I mean by that? Well what most affiliates don't know is that most advertisers want to pay as slllloooowwwwww as possible. Most affiliates want to be paid as fast as possible. So if you want to be paid weekly and you're doing 5k a day in sales by the time we as a network might get paid on that money it would be a month out. So we carry that debt load and risk for all that time. I think honestly networks take a very small cut for the amount of risk they take. Can you get a better payout direct to the advertiser if they want to deal with 100 affiliates, sure can you get paid fast probably not. So you have to weigh, is it worth building my business 10x's as fast for giving up a little peice to a network?
With regards to the API stuff. People say "I want an API" well that's all well and dandy I think most platforms have api's already. What specifically do you want the api to do? Spell that out and I can tell you how to use it with the network platform you're already on, or we can talk to the network platform companies to have it added. I'm guessing that most of us have code for most network interaction for the API's they have. Maybe we could even put together an abstract class interface with API's for each network type interaction.
AM's that know what they're doing. We've gone down this route ourselves. I wish a lot of other networks would do similar things. I've mentioned we're in such a backwards world when it comes to what we do. Basically what is an affiliate marketer? They're an independent online sales person that works for comissions. Right? Well think of any other sales organization the sales people have sales managers. I.E. people to help them, people above them to give them pointers and get them to the next level. Why isn't our industry the same way? Well we're trying to change that.
On the topic of using certain links for certain types of traffic. Yeah this serves other affiliates well but doesn't serve the affiliate that's running the traffic and doing well with it at all. They'll get nothing from a great "Search EPC" then a lot more competition. So if it were me I'd say it was email so the search guys wouldn't even try it, in otherwards ward off competition.
Another thing I constantly battle with is big affiliates want me to share nothing. Unless I'm sharing stuff with them of course. Where little affiliates I want to help get to be big affiliates. What is the right amount of help and ideas to give people? We'd never ever give away anyone elses landing page or campaign information. But we do a lot of cpm media buying, search, content, social ppc, etc in house and we find a lot of stuff on our own. Once we milk it some I start sharing some of those ideas and niches with people. However I've had some big affiliates get mad at me about it. What's right here? I constantly stuggle with this and would like to get some feedback from people.
Affiliates being able to place their own pixel is a must and will be implemented in our system shortly, as well as postbacks. We're also on track for the feeds for offers. Any other ideas everyone has please let me know as I eat this shit up
As always just my 3 cents.
Smaxor
Honestly though everything starts with trust. Without trust between networks and affiliates we have nothing. And ROIShare I hate to say it but you're hurting that trust not helping it with a lot of you posts.
With regards to payouts we really give what we find as fair. We set a fairly high street price and then depending on the offer will go as low as 5-15% margin. But a LOT goes into that. What most affiliates don't realize is that we act as a bank while taking quite a large amount of risk.
What do I mean by that? Well what most affiliates don't know is that most advertisers want to pay as slllloooowwwwww as possible. Most affiliates want to be paid as fast as possible. So if you want to be paid weekly and you're doing 5k a day in sales by the time we as a network might get paid on that money it would be a month out. So we carry that debt load and risk for all that time. I think honestly networks take a very small cut for the amount of risk they take. Can you get a better payout direct to the advertiser if they want to deal with 100 affiliates, sure can you get paid fast probably not. So you have to weigh, is it worth building my business 10x's as fast for giving up a little peice to a network?
With regards to the API stuff. People say "I want an API" well that's all well and dandy I think most platforms have api's already. What specifically do you want the api to do? Spell that out and I can tell you how to use it with the network platform you're already on, or we can talk to the network platform companies to have it added. I'm guessing that most of us have code for most network interaction for the API's they have. Maybe we could even put together an abstract class interface with API's for each network type interaction.
AM's that know what they're doing. We've gone down this route ourselves. I wish a lot of other networks would do similar things. I've mentioned we're in such a backwards world when it comes to what we do. Basically what is an affiliate marketer? They're an independent online sales person that works for comissions. Right? Well think of any other sales organization the sales people have sales managers. I.E. people to help them, people above them to give them pointers and get them to the next level. Why isn't our industry the same way? Well we're trying to change that.
On the topic of using certain links for certain types of traffic. Yeah this serves other affiliates well but doesn't serve the affiliate that's running the traffic and doing well with it at all. They'll get nothing from a great "Search EPC" then a lot more competition. So if it were me I'd say it was email so the search guys wouldn't even try it, in otherwards ward off competition.
Another thing I constantly battle with is big affiliates want me to share nothing. Unless I'm sharing stuff with them of course. Where little affiliates I want to help get to be big affiliates. What is the right amount of help and ideas to give people? We'd never ever give away anyone elses landing page or campaign information. But we do a lot of cpm media buying, search, content, social ppc, etc in house and we find a lot of stuff on our own. Once we milk it some I start sharing some of those ideas and niches with people. However I've had some big affiliates get mad at me about it. What's right here? I constantly stuggle with this and would like to get some feedback from people.
Affiliates being able to place their own pixel is a must and will be implemented in our system shortly, as well as postbacks. We're also on track for the feeds for offers. Any other ideas everyone has please let me know as I eat this shit up
As always just my 3 cents.
Smaxor
Smaxtor,
Honestly you could not have nailed down that post any better and here are a few of my insights.
That is something I kind of do already but can't really post a solid class for it since most of the shit I build are built for my own in-house software that I use.
However a standard class built to interact with several networks in a similar way would be an exceptionally good thing to have.
I think pixals are a good second source but I do also think that a large majority of the time we can easily get away with just the sub-id, an api, and a postback system.
And don't get me wrong I'm not saying pixals should be completely replaced, but I'm simply saying that tracking software when built correctly doesn't require it but there are obvious exceptions to that.
Honestly you could not have nailed down that post any better and here are a few of my insights.
That is something I kind of do already but can't really post a solid class for it since most of the shit I build are built for my own in-house software that I use.
However a standard class built to interact with several networks in a similar way would be an exceptionally good thing to have.
I think pixals are a good second source but I do also think that a large majority of the time we can easily get away with just the sub-id, an api, and a postback system.
And don't get me wrong I'm not saying pixals should be completely replaced, but I'm simply saying that tracking software when built correctly doesn't require it but there are obvious exceptions to that.
I really hope RoiShare gets banned soon. He is so fucking annoying it makes my blood boil. I think I'm gonna start an RoiShare wagering site.
First Question:
How many days after Roishare actually opens his network with the first affiliate complain about him?
Any wagers?
First Question:
How many days after Roishare actually opens his network with the first affiliate complain about him?
Any wagers?
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