Wickedfire vs. ClickBank << Don't shoot me!

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Hey guys,

I know mentioning ebooks and clickbank around here is enough to get one shot or so it seems... This isn't a promo thread nor is there an agenda, but I do have some questions for you guys.

Seems there are quite a few heavy hitters here. Seems the heavy hitters hate on CB, PDC, any digital network. At the same time though, I see countless stories here of network... corruption? ok network... flaws.. ehemm.. I read about some of you guys being jacked for 13K, 25K, and it's like a part of your world, you still bow and show faith/hope for them even though their gray TOS only falls in.... their favor each time...

I've been publishing for a few years now, had a few of my offers with various cpa's that i won't mention, for which we focused on the clients that have tangibles/ship&handle/warehouse or leads etc, and I'd say 90% of the time, there were... problems, with pay, with pixel firing, with chargebacks, with fraud... we've made our rounds to the point of not wanting to work with... well any of them, (but we still do to some capacity - until a bigger/better network shows its face with happy real merchants that can vouch for them x 5)...

I decided to take a crack at the CB world late last year, and can't lie, as a publisher I'm banking nice. Their leniency with aff's is broad, they rarely if ever question traffic, they take care of all fraud etc... Again not to down cpa's and praise CB, but I DO want to hear from those same heavy hitters:

CB's slate is probably 99.9% bullshit ebooks, yes, and the gurus that call themselves gurus in the cb world just rehash shit a lot, yes... and now there are millions of spammy scammy ebook affiliate pages out there, yes... however that .01%, those few great peices of software, membership sites, video how to's, etc. that ARE worth more than a rehash 50 page n00bie IM guide, are still by my standards - worth monetizing/converting....

So above and beyond the obvious, are there indeed any closet CB'ers here? Do ALL of you preach and praise the CPA's/networks on this board because of the... deals in place? I know that if I was owed $13K because some of my traffic came from the same IP, or the merch/network deemed my ads/leads 'flawed', I'd freak! In fact I HAVE freaked (as a merch and or partnering merch for a client), and thus will never work with certain networks again... CB on the other hand, well I can't say nothing bad about them above and beyond the fact that they literally let almost ANYTHING past their gates from a publisher perspective (even recently saw a product/ebook on curing cancer ftw)...

So give it to me, don't shoot me over it but give it to me. I KNOW many of you bank nice, but I know just as many if not more have no clue and or barely break a few hundred $ a month with these prized lead gen/zip submits/etc. only to have them taken away by gray tos...

(Getting some cold water ready for my epic flamage here)... Please try to be at least somewhat straight forward with your responses, I know there will be many cb haters with funny one liners, that's fine - but at least ONE of you please break it down for me - digital networks vs. tangibles vs. leads - what's your beef and or prize with each? I have a few new projects coming up and need to do some digging here to see if we should indeed try a few CPA's again...

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Because I see that the majority here prefer CPA's/leads over digital products/clickbank/PDC type stuff - so I want a few people to break down how and why they favor CPA's so much vs. digital networks - like clickbank.

Perhaps my title could have been worded differently sorry. Just asking some questions that I feel may benefit your audience and my research since the elite here seem to be quite descriptive and detailed...

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also...im not sure people dislike clickbank here necessarily, they just dont use them much because it's a lot easier and more profitable to promote other shit.
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I see - and by that - do you think it's because the conversion rates on the actual merch page? Is it the commission per lead/action? the resources the merch gives you? Do you find the tracking better with them? What makes it more profitable or easy in your eyes?
 
CB's slate is probably 99.9% bullshit ebooks, yes, and the gurus that call themselves gurus in the cb world just rehash shit a lot, yes... and now there are millions of spammy scammy ebook affiliate pages out there, yes... however that .01%, those few great peices of software, membership sites, video how to's, etc. that ARE worth more than a rehash 50 page n00bie IM guide, are still by my standards - worth monetizing/converting....
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You've said it yourself, because 99.9% of the products on Clickbank are written by self-proclaimed guru fuckers from WarriorForum that make fake promises stealing money from newbies.

"Buy my ebook for $97 and learn how to install Wordpress, you'll make $24,000,000.90 tomorrow 100% guaranteed!"

I for one, fucking hate it and Jon decided to do something about it.

Two years back, there was no resource or a good forum that provide people the real stuff on how to make money from ppc arbitrage, cpa, financial stuff, and this is one of the reasons why this place was born.
 
prince said:
"Buy my ebook for $97 and learn how to install Wordpress, you'll make $24,000,000.90 tomorrow 100% guaranteed!"
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lulz - yes like I said I agree - however what about that .01% though, I can sit here and write tons of hate on the CPA's too, and the self proclaimed guru AM's, flawed tracking, t&c out of wack, skimming, etc etc.

Forget the 'make money' stuff for a second though - what about the normal and still quality based products - I think CB has like 7K offers, out of those let's say 200 are worth promoting, are NOT bs products, have nice sales pages and convert well - does this mean that just because it's in the CB or PDC slate most CPA'ers won't touch it?

I'm all for ridding the wso's and wankers, and I know CB has its own corner for them to play in, but again I know of many CPA's that have much bigger problems than rep/status/bullshit offers...

Say if I had a few new offers that could fit in CB OR a few CPA's - would you guys quicker advise me to take the offers/products/leads etc. to a CPA than a digi or indy?

Thanks guys I appreciate the banter
 
Sure, why not? I'm sure there are some folks here making a killing on CB.

As scammy as some of the products might be, there is still value in them, and yes there are some good products on CB.

CPA offers like green teas, crush calculators etc AREN'T any better.

And with CB, you don't have to deal with scrubbings, shavings, and all that shit.
 
Your... somewhat... annoying... with... your... constant... use... of... ...

If I'm building a website and there is a CB product that is related to my site I would have no problem throwing up a banner for the CB product. I stay away from the internet marketing section on clickbank, but other than that I have no problem with CB. For example, when I create travel related sites and if I know which country specifically my visitor is researching I'll have a banner for a *country name* travel guide be displayed.
 
i created and published a digital product on clickbank (no, not some shitbird IM marketing stuff) and from a publishers side it is really easy as they manage all the payments, paying affiliates, paying me, etc... I like it on the publisher side mainly because it is virtually hands free other than answering the occassional end user question.

So, from my limited knowledge, CB makes it easy to sell your digital goods with and without affiliates, and the cut that CB gets was easily worth it to me so we didn't have to worry about all the BS that goes along with running our own affilaite program. Now if i could just get my sales page to convert i'd be set.
 
It's hard for me to recommend ClickBank as a network simply because of their lax policies that, while seemingly beneficial at first, wind up being a bit of a problem down the road when affiliates and publishers seem to get away with murder.

Some products might be worth it, but as you've said yourself, 99.99% of them aren't. As an affiliate, it's not worth my time to go through and find the exception to the rule when I can focus on something more legitimate from the get-go.
 
dude, selling clickbank products is one thing, doing cpa is something else. Don't mix them up and try to compare them. They are like two whole different industries.
 
I happened to register the .com to a popular site that ends in .net about a year ago. For the first 6 months I had the url, I had no idea the it was getting any traffic until I put a site up and saw a ton of traffic coming in directly.

Once I realized people were typing in the wrong url and ending up on my site, I found a related product on clickbank and redirected to that offer. Its been a great money maker for me.
 
Clickbank outside of the MMO niche is great, its really a good source to look for when you don't find CPA offers that fit your certain needs, chances are click bank has a product to push to those smaller more targeted niches.

To be honest the only real people that make a lot of money off click bank are people who promote there own product. You can make great money doing that and its on autorun. How ever pushing click bank products next to CPA offers in the search engines doesn't do that well. Mostly because click bank offers have one page with more words than the bible on it.

I never understood that approach but apparently it works. I use to work with click bank with my first PPC projects because i din't know much about CPA networks, now i prefer CPA simply because theres no refunds to deal with and i just find it a lot easier to use.
 
I really like to promote my ebooks through Wickedfire, the payments are off the charts and so many exclusives!!
 
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Your... somewhat... annoying... with... your... constant... use... of... ...
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No kidding; I kept expecting him to yell "KHAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!!" at some point. Those are called ellipses by the way, in case you need to bang a librarian or a fourth-grade grammar teacher and can't find an angle in.

@OP: Not everybody downs CB around here ... and most of the people who do don't make any sense. They shoot the messenger. Note that the single most viewed and responded thread in this entire forum is the one where they ... give away ... ClickBank ebooks ... for free. They say ... they do it so that they can ... expose ... how crappy they are. I say ... KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!! ... to that.


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Ya, clickbank makes people money. What's the big fucking discussion here? Not to be a party crasher or anything but this thread is kinda pointless.
 
ncmedia: Mmmm, I think you're confusing the hatred of "info products" with ClickBank itself.
It's like the way some people confuse eBooks as a medium, for "info products". eBooks are great. I have a complete SF library on my phone thanks to eBook formats. It's justthat people confuse format and product / service.

CB as a system has positives and negatives, like all others.
One of the negatives is the relatively lax screening process that leads to 99.9% of their offers being crap.
Another is that due to the number of bad products it IS hard to find the needles in the haystack.
I think a lot of people here would just rather not deal with having to spend an entire day looking for one thing that they want to promote.

fm1234: It's ok. He's a senile lawyer now ;)
 
ncmedia said:
lulz - yes like I said I agree - however what about that .01% though, I can sit here and write tons of hate on the CPA's too, and the self proclaimed guru AM's, flawed tracking, t&c out of wack, skimming, etc etc.

Forget the 'make money' stuff for a second though - what about the normal and still quality based products - I think CB has like 7K offers, out of those let's say 200 are worth promoting, are NOT bs products, have nice sales pages and convert well - does this mean that just because it's in the CB or PDC slate most CPA'ers won't touch it?

I'm all for ridding the wso's and wankers, and I know CB has its own corner for them to play in, but again I know of many CPA's that have much bigger problems than rep/status/bullshit offers...

Say if I had a few new offers that could fit in CB OR a few CPA's - would you guys quicker advise me to take the offers/products/leads etc. to a CPA than a digi or indy?

Thanks guys I appreciate the banter
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You sure? The NCMedia I know is behind such sites as 'Project Wealthy' and 'Fat Rich Pig' ;)

Clickbank was the first affiliate network I signed up to, and I've been with them WAY longer than I have with any CPA network, and in my experience I've found that no other network is anywhere near as reliable as Clickbank. I mean in my two years or so with Clickbank, I haven't had a single incident of 'tracking problems' or 'scrubbing/shaving' or any of that bullshit. The system and the management has been nothing but top class, which is why I like them so much. On the contrary, I've had tracking problems with every CPA network I've been with, and I don't want to even get started with scrubbing/shaving/advertisers screwing affiliates and so forth.

The thing that pisses me off most though is all this BULLSHIT people throw at Clickbank and how they don't believe in promoting the crap on there. PLEASE give me a break. The last thing I'd expect to hear from a CPA marketer is that kind of shit. I mean honestly, it's fine to promote ringtones, dietery supplements run by downright shady advertisers who refuse to cancel subscription payments, cash loans, and all the other junk which don't have any sort of quality control or customer satisfaction, yet it's not fine to promote digital products which come with a two month money back guarantee?

Having said that, Clickbank and CPA networks are just different. You need different approaches to each. Do whatever works and makes money for you.

elitesystem said:
clickbank seems legit! although i didnt gain much from it! but im still workin on em! need to do some promiting and SEO! however i did check out clickbooth! its soo fAKE guys! STAY AWAY!! SPOILER ALERT :D
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