Wordpress MU, Power By Numbers, & Absolute SHIT.

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Aequitas

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So I just got done another run of Wordpress MU and I tell ya that little bugger has so much fucking potential to run tens of thousands of sub-domain blogs, its just insane, however its still complete shit.

I only say complete shit because it has so many damb bugs in the program right now that any developer will have to spend a very long time tweaking and hacking apart the core in order to come up with a half stable version, however I know what its like to develop these larger programs and even though its got some bugs right now, when a stable version hits, watch out internet.

I've also noticed a few little things in it where they are trying to stop spammers/sploggers from running wild with it but its not much to tweak the code around it haha.

Anyway thats my current review of Wordpress MU as of this current release, does anyone else want to take a stab and give it a review.:D
 


I agree with your take on MU. I installed it in one of my domains and it is crap,has way too many bugs.

You might be interested in something like this, it is based off of wordpress mu, but has a slightly different database structure. I haven't had time to mess with it, but I've heard from a few people it runs way smoother than MU
 
Guys

If 30 of us threw in $20 we could hire a coder to just sit there and go through the code full-time for a month and fix it, so we'd end up with ... um ... Wordpress MUWF :)
 
Guys

If 30 of us threw in $20 we could hire a coder to just sit there and go through the code full-time for a month and fix it, so we'd end up with ... um ... Wordpress MUWF :)

hahaha you know that I'm a coder right, if I had the time (More importantly the money), I could easily go through, rip apart, fix up, and build a stable version of MU, will I though, not a chance.

Why? Well some people out there believe that software should be free, me on the other chance think I should make a living from building it, to get paid once for a job that I would be unable to charge further money for isn't worth it.

The final example of why you shouldn't pay someone to do this project is be patient, let the creators kick away at it, it'll give them something to do.
 
damn.... I was just planning on rolling out a couple hundred blogs using WPMU.

What are some of the bugs? Can someone get the basic shit running? Can you remote post with xmlrpc programs like RSS2blog?
 
damn.... I was just planning on rolling out a couple hundred blogs using WPMU.

What are some of the bugs? Can someone get the basic shit running? Can you remote post with xmlrpc programs like RSS2blog?

Most plugins I tried didn't work, most themes I tried didn't work, you can get errors during the installation but if you know how to work around them they are easy to fix, basically install it, play with it and inside of 5 minutes you'll understand some of the bugs and why its not stable.
 
I haven’t had any major problems using WP MU. If you do come across any irritating bugs, report them and they will get fixed, eventually!

An interesting feature of WP MU is that it supports two types of plugins – one type is automatically activated, which is ideal for building self-replicating blogs. I’ll be releasing such a plugin is the near future.

But even with the bugs, I think it’s an amazing tool!
 
Mu has been damn good for me to target so many local mini niches.
I just dont have to spend that much which is great considering the fact that i make less than 10$ each from these thousands of mini sites..
 
Well its good to hear some people are using it without any real problems.

Hey what hosting providers are you using it on, I was using it with GoDaddy which could have been a source of some bugs.
 
I am using MU to build a large content site where each sub niche has its own sub domain, makes things much easier when doing something like this and it has been fantastic for the most part, Ive only run across a couple plugins that have not worked and no major bugs.
 
Since the topic of discussion has wandered slightly from the general WP MU functionality, I thought I'd post my two cents. The client I'm working with right now needed a solution to populate several thousand domains (not all at once, obviously) with content and registration functionality married to offers. They weren't as interested in the SEO implications because of the obvious duplication of content issues, but they needed something up on these domains just to give them a born on date and they are hoping to grab a few bucks here and there just from pure arbitrage luck. Part of the plan, as well, was to limit duplicate content both across the vertical and across the entire network so that the entire network never hit higher than 20% duplicate content and so that a vertical also never hit higher than 20% duplicate content inside of its vertical network.

Anyway, the constraints they and I imposed after several meetings were that the system should be aware of its own internal category taxonomy, the system should be able to automatically recognize its identity and place in the taxonomy by parsing its own domain and then it should share content with the other blogs based on what category the content was assigned to during creation and where the blog itself sat within the taxonomy (the entire network is the top level, each vertical [travel, diet, whatever] is the next level and each domain is the bottom level). There were internal constraints as well about how it handled cross-channel registrations and how it would itnerface with web services and internal accounting systems, but those are less germane.

During discovery we took a look at a lot of technology and ended up focusing on MT Enterprise and WordPress. In the end, I suggested that we go with WordPress and we began hacking into it. During this dev phase a few months back, we stumbled across WP MU (I don't know why, but I hadn't heard of it). Let me tell you, that was a gigantic two week waste of time for this particular application. WP MU makes a pretty fair amount of sense for managing a bunch of independent blogs independently, but if you want to manage tons of blogs with their own domains and identities as a transparent network with any level of shared content, it's much easier to hack up native WordPress to do this.

I've already blabbered on forever, but the core steps to getting this working involve grabbing the blog_id field by looking up the domain during the precaching phase that WP goes through before it calls the template. Once you've done that, the only tricky part is teaching it how to intelligently limit what content it posts based on categories. By copying and hacking up some of the category functions like get_category_parent_ids you can extend the functionality pretty easily, but the thing that I still recall as astounding was that Wordpress built WP so that handing the caching engine a parent id returns content from that parent and all child ids and there's no way to turn that off except by naming negative category ids for every single child id that you don't want. Granted, I'm the architect, not the mechanic, so I only saw so many difficulties hands on, but working with WP instead of WP MU for this application was much easier.

So, while I suppose it's wandering a bit off topic, WordPress MU is really bad for this kind of single admin/many blogs network concept and WordPress handles it much better. Granted, WP MU isn't designed to do this, so it's not really surprising in retrospect in some ways, I guess going in I just assumed that it would have better domain/blog level functionality and it really doesn't. It's basically just a wrapper.
 
Man, you guys finding WPMU are kinda late to the game, I've been using it forever now.

I admit it does have some bugs, but it is really a kick ass program. I am a PHP coder so I was able to hack some things up to get stuff to work the way I want it, but I would have done that with reg WP too.

It does have some flaws, but I have made a ton of mini niche sites from it and it is great for that.

If it is too buggy for you and you cant code, then install multiple WP blogs one by one into your folders. I think there is a MASS INSTALLER for WP somewhere on rapid*share that should help you, but then you dont have the central admin and central config/theme files.
 
After handling a fairly intensive project with WP, as described above, and taking into account all the marketing demands common to using blogs for online marketing, I've never really understood what the appeal of WP MU is to someone who is technologically competent - unless you're actually providing blogs to multiple external users and need to manage their accounts as such.

eliquid, since you've been using it forever and aren't late to the party and have programming credentials, maybe you can shed some light on what, if anything, WP MU is useful for outside of managing many blogs related to their respective accounts independently.
 
on-on,

I dont give away too many secrets and elaborating on this would give away some niches or ideas I use WPMU for.

However, here are a few things:

1. For one I have a domain setup with WPMU and I give blogs out to people in a certain industry.. say 'court reporters'. Many of these people want or need website so I offer them a 'free website' and they become part of my network and start making content on my network with their new blog and I put adsense on their site. Same thing bascially as wordpress.com or blogger.. or even what many EDU's are doing now with students. I also use this as a way to link build on legal sites I work on myself and sell private ads on too. Everything is setup automatically for me on this.

2. Another thing I do is a make my own network of sites.. I pick a general niche like News. I take all the city and state names, along with zip codes and county names I can find and build subdomains in WPMU with each city name, state name, zip code, and county name as a subdomain on WPMU. I used a custom hack I made for this large job to auto make these subs on the fly. I then populate all those listings with RSS feeds from News sources, like CNN, Google News, etc... Again I have some hacks in place to populate and make the subdomains. I even pull in the new News with a cron job script I made.

Of course I use a template I made myself and erase all the WP footprints as well. I use some link building tools I have to throw some links at each subdomain to help get it indexed too. Since News is not considered duplicate content by Google, I have no trouble getting indexed and ranked for it.

You can also use it to build a site much like Digg too, if you know what your doing code wise. I have even made a shopping cart out of it too.

Use your head some, dont just get boxed into one thing because of limitations.
 
your not going to be able to easily have all kinds of seperate domains on different accounts being managed by WPMU as it was not designed for that.. but you could do it.

WPMU is good for giving people accounts, and making your own niche networks of sites where you need a ton of subdomains or folders for a niche. You can do A TON with it if you know PHP and general programming methods.

Think outside the box. If you wanted to build a directory site of Dentists in the USA, you could do it with WPMU easily the same way I built the News site I used as an example above.
 
your not going to be able to easily have all kinds of seperate domains on different accounts being managed by WPMU as it was not designed for that.. but you could do it.

WPMU is good for giving people accounts, and making your own niche networks of sites where you need a ton of subdomains or folders for a niche. You can do A TON with it if you know PHP and general programming methods.

Think outside the box. If you wanted to build a directory site of Dentists in the USA, you could do it with WPMU easily the same way I built the News site I used as an example above.
eliquid, yeah you nailed pretty much the only two niches for which I could see WP MU being useful out of the box - the account-based approach being the obvious one (that I mentioned in my question) since it's what WP MU was built specifically for and the subdomain example being more innovative. As long as you don't need to share content between blogs in some kind of relational, intelligent way (i.e. - if you're sucking in RSS feeds unique to each blog) then it would certainly be the easier and better solution. I still don't think the subdomain functionality of WP MU is worth sacrificing the single table set model because the subdomain stuff is just apache config rules and a file structure, but it sounds like it works great for you.

As for admonishments to think outside the box, that's what I do for a living. I just shuffled WP MU off the deck because I'm usually (and at the moment) dealing with existing systems within a larger network that have their own internal issues and with some very targeted issues, the above of which WP MU was a pretty bad solution for. Having had limited exposure to it, I couldn't figure out what it would be particularly useful for besides multiple accounts managing mupltiple blogs, something it looks like you're doing. Unfortunately, it's pretty rare in this particular world that anything off the shelf is of much use even with tweaking :(

Good luck with your efforts!
 
I had a play with WPMU the other month and found the same probs - namely many plugins not working. A few peeps have recommended Lyceaum now, not had chance to try it but seems to be the best solution from what people have said.
 
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