Reincarnation would be a bitch for the average person in the first world

geomark said:
"Because you're already in the top, what, 1% of the global human population in terms of quality of life."

Failed first premise.
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Dude you ever lived in war-torn and/or poverty-stricken country? People shitting on the streets, people eating each other 'cause they're starving to death, no clean water, corpses piling up on your doorstep, armed gangs hacking your entire family to pieces right in front of your eyes..

I haven't, and I'm grateful for that.
 


handrewrites said:
Dude you ever lived in war-torn and/or poverty-stricken country? People shitting on the streets, people eating each other 'cause they're starving to death, no clean water, corpses piling up on your doorstep, armed gangs hacking your entire family to pieces right in front of your eyes..

I haven't, and I'm grateful for that.
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So your saying 99% of people live under those conditions?
 
redwings0921 said:
So your saying 99% of people live under those conditions?
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He's not far off... This entire planet is a complete shithole, I shit you not.

Remember, we're almost 7 BILLION ppl now, and the carrying capacity of the planet has long been estimated at a little better than Half that number.

It's not looking good.

Furthermore, in my own travels I've noticed that even the most civilized places, including here in the US, there are unseen horrors below the surface where many ppl have to suffer and live in some kind of slavery to support the 'upper class.' -It's really obvious in places like Bangkok and Japan... Not so much in America but it does exist.

So basically, there is no first world, it's all an illusion, and the illusion will be fading quickly when the 7 billion turns into 14 billion and we are forced to resort to cannabilism.

Soylent Green!
 
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Yep, a lot of truth to what lukep says. Add to that the fact that a lot of people think quality of life is measured by how much crap they own, which is why the 1st world is mostly a gaping void of quality of life decorated by shiny gadgets.
 
geomark said:
Yep, a lot of truth to what lukep says. Add to that the fact that a lot of people think quality of life is measured by how much crap they own, which is why the 1st world is mostly a gaping void of quality of life decorated by shiny gadgets.
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Give me a shitty shack on the beach, a surfboard, some bud, and a hot surfer chick. That's all i need. That would be my true happiness.
 
redwings0921 said:
Give me a shitty shack on the beach, a surfboard, some bud, and a hot surfer chick. That's all i need. That would be my true happiness.
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And for the next 20-50 years it is possible to have that, when you're rich.

Even the Bill Gates of 2060 won't be able to afford that then... Not without mass killings...
 
repped lukep

Anyone who argues that 99.9999% of the world isn't a complete a complete shithole has probably never been outside their home town.

The world is one giant pyramid scheme that's becoming more and more top-heavy, but since the outside is covered with an attractive layer of limestone noone can see that the support structures inside are slowly deteriorating.

World War 3 will most likely NOT be a war between countries, but rather a global civil war where only the elites (who, having foreseen or prepared for such a turn of events, would have quietly retreated to their luxury self-sufficient bomb-proof bunkers) are shielded from the global chaos that ensues from the proles forced to become subjects of warlords and turn against each other for control of the remaining 1% of the world's food and water supply (the rest being in elite-owned forcefield-protected farms).

Oh and if your net worth is, say, less than 100 mil, you're far from being part of the "elite".
 
You know, that sounds a bit like you're wearing a tinfoil hat, but for the life of me I can't argue with any of it.

...Well maybe the forcefields... I seriously doubt we'll have forcefields by the time the other shoe falls. Caves will be the thing that the elite need to seek out and hide away in... And that will get messy considering that most caves are not privately owned.

I'd say that the US will be as crowded and Dirty as India is now by 2045-50, and around that time we'll lose contact with a lot of asia and africa due to their necessary change in attitude towards preserving human life.

Of course it's also said that by 2050 we that you'll be able to go water skiing at santa's house on christmas eve. With that much more water in the sea, we'll likely lose about 1/4th of all inhabitable land then too.

It's gonna get messy people... For those who wish to live to see the year 2050, your options are:

1. Get filthy rich and buy a cave with some geothermal power running it.
2. Drown.
3. Become a very lowly peasant living in filth you can't imagine now.

Whatever you do, just don't have kids. The meanest fucking thing you could ever do to someone you love is to bring them into this horrid world.
 
handrewrites said:
Dude you ever lived in war-torn and/or poverty-stricken country? People shitting on the streets, people eating each other 'cause they're starving to death, no clean water, corpses piling up on your doorstep, armed gangs hacking your entire family to pieces right in front of your eyes..

I haven't, and I'm grateful for that.
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No, but I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears...in rain.
 
amateursurgeon said:
No, but I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears...in rain.
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Is this like, a new form of bel airing?

lukep - I absolutely agree with you on the reason why I'm never going to have kids. Because I'll love my kids which means I'll be torn by the fact that they have to go through the experience of being a human being on the planet Earth.

You see, I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
 
Wow, I thought amatuersurgeon was a bit off track of the conversation there but you showed me that what he said was relevant somehow. Good job. :D

BTW, have you seen Mike Judge's "Idiocracy?" It is dead-on accurate about the way this country is headed... But it takes place 500 years from now and we'll have bigger problems long before then.

Still, I fully expect America to look like a cross between India and the america in Idiocracy before I die. Ugh, what a shithole. I'm getting an island or something... North greenland real estate should be cheap and beautiful I hear.
 
lukep said:
I'd say that the US will be as crowded and Dirty as India is now by 2045-50, and around that time we'll lose contact with a lot of asia and africa due to their necessary change in attitude towards preserving human life.
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I might be missing something but the US population has only grown by ~80 million over the past 30 years or so (still a lot, I know) and the birth rate is at an all time low. Our 307 million is a ways off from India's 1.1+ billion.
 
Yep, you missed something. It's called immigration.

Use the actual Census for growth, not just birth rates.

Also, don't forget with technology comes longer life spans.
 
I don't think it would make any difference, if you are reborn into a new form of life or as a poor kid in the third world, in any case I don't think you'll remember being better off in a previous life and you would just have to get on with it. Maybe and if karma does exists Africa it's filled with previous slave owners and South America's poorest sectors maybe populated by reecarneted conquerors.
 
handrewrites said:
Is this like, a new form of bel airing?

lukep - I absolutely agree with you on the reason why I'm never going to have kids. Because I'll love my kids which means I'll be torn by the fact that they have to go through the experience of being a human being on the planet Earth.

You see, I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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I sensed that the thread was veering dangerously close to political thread terrirory, so though it was time to re-rail by de-railing before Hellblazer-subigo showed up :)

If it's random, we're statistically most likely to come back as a bacterium.. That would be ok. You could give Justin Bieber syphilis. Then you'd build up so much good karma you'd come back next time as a lion or something.
 
Small technical nit - rebirth and reincarnation are not the same thing. Reincarnation assumes a soul or some abiding entity. Rebirth does not - it recognizes existence as a process rather than an entity.

The whole concept of a soul is fundamentally flawed as illustrated by envision's quote or by the dissection experiment (Where you keep cutting the subject in half and try to identify in which half the soul resides. The version with worms is fun since you can cut a worm in half and both halves regenerate into a complete worm)
 
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