Fact or Myth: Xrumer Links Pointed to your site - Case Study

TigerUK said:
the hoth used two of my own ezisting eza articles to create the hoh network. with very bad spins up to 69% match in some cases.
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Where did you get the idea from? If the articles used are not the exact same ones you have on your money site.. then it doesn't matter.

I always submit the same article (no spinning) to +1000 article directories linking back to my site with no ill effects whatsoever.
 


prince - got proof? If you're sending the same exact article, to the same exact spammy article directories, and you say that it doesn't effect your site AT ALL, then i want to see a case study plz. kthxbye

Tiger_UK - Personally, i think that the hoth is the thing that brought your site down. Once again, I don't think of him as competition. He's better at marketing, but at everything else...meh. I'm just standing up for you as he tried to put ALL the blame on you for your xrumer blast, which quite frankly, is full of shit.

To everyone else - From my experience, the site isn't going to get deindexed - period. It may drop SLIGHTLY, but it won't get sandboxed - that's my official guess.
 
onthewayup said:
prince - got proof? If you're sending the same exact article, to the same exact spammy article directories, and you say that it doesn't effect your site AT ALL, then i want to see a case study plz. kthxbye
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It does affect my site, it makes my site rank higher. :)

You do realize that the whole idea of submitting articles to sites like EzineArticles.com is to let others publish them on their sites/blogs right? Articles on EZA get scraped and published 100x on shitty blogs all the time, you don't see people complaining about that. That's your proof right there.

This is what I have been practicing since 2007, I used to use desktop softwares like Article Post Robot for this but it's buggy as hell and it's not supported anymore. I now mainly use server based services like UAW and the likes because of the drip feed feature.
 
onthewayup said:
prince - got proof? If you're sending the same exact article, to the same exact spammy article directories, and you say that it doesn't effect your site AT ALL, then i want to see a case study plz. kthxbye

Tiger_UK - Personally, i think that the hoth is the thing that brought your site down. Once again, I don't think of him as competition. He's better at marketing, but at everything else...meh. I'm just standing up for you as he tried to put ALL the blame on you for your xrumer blast, which quite frankly, is full of shit.

To everyone else - From my experience, the site isn't going to get deindexed - period. It may drop SLIGHTLY, but it won't get sandboxed - that's my official guess.
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Thing is, you're out to prove that mass profile links won't sandbox a site; since it would make it too easy for others to bring down their competition. Well the same could be said about submitting non-unqiue content. If what you're saying that having non-unique content all over the web can sandbox the site, then what is stopping me from taking an article from my competitor's site and just resubmitting it all over the web?
 
mGrunin said:
Thing is, you're out to prove that mass profile links won't sandbox a site; since it would make it too easy for others to bring down their competition. Well the same could be said about submitting non-unqiue content. If what you're saying that having non-unique content all over the web can sandbox the site, then what is stopping me from taking an article from my competitor's site and just resubmitting it all over the web?
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Right, which is what the guy said brought the sandbox on (Tiger_UK did like 5k profile links to the site).

Have you bought the Hoth? The thing is, Tiger_UK bought 5 - that's a lot of duplicate content. We aren't talking words, we're talking sentences, and everything else.

The matter of the fact is this. I don't like it when providers blame the client for their package doing bad. In this case, i know it wasn't Tiger_Uk's fault, period. On top of that, there's many people out there who think that xrumer blasting your main site will hurt your site if its brand new, a certain amount, etc. I'm out to break out all those myths.

And further more, if you head over to BHW, there are services to TAKE down a competitor using duplicate content in mass quanitites - and the thread has great reviews - meaning - you can take a competitior site down with duplicate content (gotta find that thread). How much? That's the key we don't know. What I do know is that proving this theory wrong would open a lot of eyes as far as blasting xrumer to your main site - young or old.

And don't get it twisted - this site i'm blasting is my baby. My new shit. Therefore, that's how confident I am with this case study.
 
I Xrumer most of the time and have always got great results but I haven't tried with a completely new site. So, it will be interesting to see if your site can hit the top 100 within a few days..

Interesting case study, onthewayup.


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Thanks for the backup onthewayup, I actually thought that the xrumer was to blame, as I indicated on my last post. I didn't want to believe it was the hoth because everyone was singing it's praises.

I was blaming myself for my SEO tactics, but then when you pointed out the dupe content issues being a HUGE thing. I had to do a rethink.

After your comment I went back and looked at the exact sequence of events. I'm not sure if you saw the updated diagram. But the course of events was actually more like this.

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As you can see the site was stable for 2-3 weeks at #14-#15 it wasn't boucing around at all.

After your comment about hoth dupe comment I went back and read my submission reports for xrumer and found that it was the cause of the brief recovery, not the actual sandboxing..

ANd the above image is more true to actual events.. http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...d-100-money-back-guarantee-5.html#post1146324

You can't really apprecaite the gravity of the movments on that chart, because it's not to scale.. But after the HOTH submission the site dropped from a stable #14 to #60, and then finally to #100.. I emailed the hoth complaining about this, and he reassured me that this was a "google dance".. Meanwhile when this was happening the other guy Insomniac was complaining about poor quality article spinning and dupe content. They were fully aware of this problem, and they didn't investigate my submission. They continued and posted the same articles over and over again for the next 4 weeks..
 
TigerUK said:
Thanks for the backup onthewayup, I actually thought that the xrumer was to blame, as I indicated on my last post. I didn't want to believe it was the hoth because everyone was singing it's praises.

I was blaming myself for my SEO tactics, but then when you pointed out the dupe content issues being a HUGE thing. I had to do a rethink.

After your comment I went back and looked at the exact sequence of events. I'm not sure if you saw the updated diagram. But the course of events was actually more like this.

eventsm.jpg


As you can see the site was stable for 2-3 weeks at #14-#15 it wasn't boucing around at all.

After your comment about hoth dupe comment I went back and read my submission reports for xrumer and found that it was the cause of the brief recovery, not the actual sandboxing..

ANd the above image is more true to actual events.. http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...d-100-money-back-guarantee-5.html#post1146324

You can't really apprecaite the gravity of the movments on that chart, because it's not to scale.. But after the HOTH submission the site dropped from a stable #14 to #60, and then finally to #100.. I emailed the hoth complaining about this, and he reassured me that this was a "google dance".. Meanwhile when this was happening the other guy Insomniac was complaining about poor quality article spinning and dupe content. They were fully aware of this problem, and they didn't investigate my submission. They continued and posted the same articles over and over again for the next 4 weeks..
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My point exactly. The chart and information they stated didn't feel right. With packages on BHW that bring your competitor down with duplicate content rose a red flag with their package. On top of that, they put the blame on you - big no no. If you wouldn't have stated the xrumer blast in their thread, they wouldn't have any ammo to work with period.
 
Just noticed Zingo erased my comments in the HOTH thread - Which pisses me off even more.

To Zingo - If your'e gonna be a moderator - moderate appropriately. If you're gonna erases people FREE SPEECH, then why don't you hop over to my thread where TURBOLAP stated that she will not be removing posts since it's free speech:

http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...thority-keyword-protection-3.html#post1099548

The guy Seema tried to completely ruin my service, without even trying the service - he was speaking on a service, from a different forum, from a different YEAR - 9 months ago - through a different provider I was working with.

So yea Zingo, you just lost my respect dude. Freedom of speech matters to me. I guess the HOTH guys got you in their pocket.
 
onthewayup said:
Right, which is what the guy said brought the sandbox on (Tiger_UK did like 5k profile links to the site).

Have you bought the Hoth? The thing is, Tiger_UK bought 5 - that's a lot of duplicate content. We aren't talking words, we're talking sentences, and everything else.

The matter of the fact is this. I don't like it when providers blame the client for their package doing bad. In this case, i know it wasn't Tiger_Uk's fault, period. On top of that, there's many people out there who think that xrumer blasting your main site will hurt your site if its brand new, a certain amount, etc. I'm out to break out all those myths.

And further more, if you head over to BHW, there are services to TAKE down a competitor using duplicate content in mass quanitites - and the thread has great reviews - meaning - you can take a competitior site down with duplicate content (gotta find that thread). How much? That's the key we don't know. What I do know is that proving this theory wrong would open a lot of eyes as far as blasting xrumer to your main site - young or old.

And don't get it twisted - this site i'm blasting is my baby. My new shit. Therefore, that's how confident I am with this case study.
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So this started as an unbiased case study and has turned into a vehicle to try to bury one of your strongest competitors.

For all anyone knows you're just pulling numbers out of the air to prove your point.

This isnt a case study, its one big back to back dick swinging contest.

Credibilty: 0
 
Andrew Scherer said:
So this started as an unbiased case study and has turned into a vehicle to try to bury one of your strongest competitors.

For all anyone knows you're just pulling numbers out of the air to prove your point.

This isnt a case study, its one big back to back dick swinging contest.

Credibilty: 0
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lolzwut? What numbers? Do you want screenshots? Why did you even come to this post to subscibe? This isn't about competition bro, this is about facts. If you don't care about this case study, then GTFO.
 
Yup, the OP doesn't even have the decency to keep his drama/competition bullshit out of what was supposed to be a promising case study. Know where to draw the line dude. I'm still looking forward to seeing results, but at the same time I lost some respect for you.
 
lolz. ok. We will call it drama and competition. Personally I didn't think I sounded like that, but maybe I did come off like that. For that, I'm sorry. Anyways, I will still post the results. Here's some screenshots to prove that what I'm doing in the case study is what I'm doing in the case study. Site has already moved up from 164 to 135. Sorry for the size.



 
Hmmm, thats odd - i clicked to turn it off. How about you try it for yourself, then call yourself a troll. The site is rubyprints - you tell me where its at.
 
onthewayup, I like the idea of your case study, but you should not bring Hoth into this.

You do not really have anything to prove to anyone. Forum loves your service, people get results with it. Let the free market system do the rest. If Hoth does not work, their customers will figure it out sooner and later.

Let the things take their own natural course. =)
 
You're right, I should have never brought HOTH into it, though they are the main reason why the case study is being done. If someone would like to check the results for themselves, the kw is business card printing, and the site is rubyprints - don't want to be trollin' :)
 
onthewayup said:
You're right, I should have never brought HOTH into it, though they are the main reason why the case study is being done. If someone would like to check the results for themselves, the kw is business card printing, and the site is rubyprints - don't want to be trollin' :)
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Just checked it. His not trolling.
 
Appreciate that Daniel.

Yea, this got off track. I was defending Tiger_Uk when this case study started, I admit it. It didn't seem right that a buyer would be falsely blamed for something he didn't do. This isn't about competition with HOTH, i just didn't like that style. That was personal, and I'm truly sorry for that - never should have done that.

With that being said, let's see if we can keep this case study on track. So far here are the results:

Day before blast: 166
Day of blast after pinging: 135

I'll follow the serp results for 2-3 weeks, or however long it takes. I'll update this thread once a day with any change - positive or negative.
 
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