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[NPressPlatinum]

I'd have to admit, this is the first year I actually enjoyed watching the lions whenever they were on. They CAN have an explosive offense and did score a bunch of point this year. IF Stafford can be healthy, Best (when he's finally over his turf toe), Megatron and Suh, teams will actually have to put a real game play together for them. The only thing they need to do is learn to close games. They definitely have some top fantasy picks in there though.

 

[clenard]

Cmon man, the guy has only been in the league what, 2 years now? Of course he is going to have issues making reads, especially when he has missed a lot of time. A lot of young QBs have problems making great decisions early in their career (I'm a Ravens fan, so I can attest to this). Also, Stafford has a tough time making decisions because the OL sucks and gives him no time. That's why he's oft injured. Protect him and he will be a solid QB.

As a Ravens fan you should realize that your young QB was 'pretty good,' yet he's been able to make his reads just fine. He has a better line with Chester, Oher, etc. -- but he makes MUCH better decisions and has done so since his rookie year. That's the problem with QB's... they have a few years and that's that. Guys like Ryan, Bradford, Flacco, etc. get thrown into the mix and have to learn their keys and have to do it quickly. Unfortunately, those who don't do so within a few years never will. In Stafford's case you can't blame his line for his injuries. I watched him refuse to step up when DE's turned the corner. He's just not a good decision maker. You know who he reminds me of? Matt Leinart... you take great High School QB's and throw them into the mix in college and they fail (Garrett Gilbert, anyone?). The same goes for College to the NFL. The different levels really do well for filtering mediocrity and excellence.

The Lions have a bunch of great young talent. Unfortunately for them, Stafford is not one of those guys, IMO.

But let's face it, since Unarmed brought it up... toughness is what they said Bradford didn't have and was why he would never make it in the NFL. Right? Well, 2 straight years we watched Stafford miss his reads, not step up, etc. -- he's been injured for several games each season.

 

[Magic Hat]

As a Ravens fan you should realize that your young QB was 'pretty good,' yet he's been able to make his reads just fine. He has a better line with Chester, Oher, etc. -- but he makes MUCH better decisions and has done so since his rookie year.

Flacco is pretty good, but he still has plenty of problems making decisions at times, especially at crucial/clutch times in the game/season. He has a better line, but hardly because of Chester and Oher (more like Grubbs, Birk, and Yanda).

That's the problem with QB's... they have a few years and that's that. Guys like Ryan, Bradford, Flacco, etc. get thrown into the mix and have to learn their keys and have to do it quickly. Unfortunately, those who don't do so within a few years never will. In Stafford's case you can't blame his line for his injuries. I watched him refuse to step up when DE's turned the corner. He's just not a good decision maker. You know who he reminds me of? Matt Leinart... you take great High School QB's and throw them into the mix in college and they fail (Garrett Gilbert, anyone?). The same goes for College to the NFL. The different levels really do well for filtering mediocrity and excellence.

People in Baltimore say the same exact thing about Flacco. He doesn't step up into the pocket etc. Luckily, Flacco hasn't suffered injuries to the extent of Stafford yet. When Flacco has ATS (ample time to throw), he has one of the highest completion rates in the league. Stafford's line is pretty bad and simply doesn't do a good job of protecting him. If anything, the Lions should be faulted for not building their OL.

 

[clenard]

Flacco is pretty good, but he still has plenty of problems making decisions at times, especially at crucial/clutch times in the game/season. He has a better line, but hardly because of Chester and Oher (more like Grubbs, Birk, and Yanda).




People in Baltimore say the same exact thing about Flacco. He doesn't step up into the pocket etc. Luckily, Flacco hasn't suffered injuries to the extent of Stafford yet. When Flacco has ATS (ample time to throw), he has one of the highest completion rates in the league. Stafford's line is pretty bad and simply doesn't do a good job of protecting him. If anything, the Lions should be faulted for not building their OL.

Chris Chester is one of the better guards in the AFC, IMO. He doesn't get enough credit. Grubbs is good, too. Oher has done very well from what I've seen since his arrival in the NFL. He's still a project, much like Trent Williams (who actually man handled Dallas this year) is with Washington. Regardless, Flacco does have more talent surrounding him, but I've watched both he and Stafford and can say, without a doubt, that Flacco has a much higher IQ in this game. From college to the pro's.

Flacco hasn't exactly had the biggest receivers in the league. Hell, Clayton and Mason are both 5'10"! They'd play SL on any other team. Clayton's gone, but Flacco still did well throwing to a few Slot receivers, whereas Stafford has one of the most dominant WR's in the league. He also had the most dominant WR in College in AJ Green.

The Lions could definitely use a stronger line (not sure where they'll use their first few draft picks this year, though), but Stafford will never be good enough to take them to the Playoff's.

Are the lions still running a Cover 2? Not sure if I noticed last time I saw them. I do know they had to scrape up Nathan Vasher, who isn't that good of a CB. They could probably use a good CB in the Draft.

 

[Grindstone]

He can't stay healthy because he makes bad decisions.

Right, it's got nothing to do with that turnstile we trot out every week. :thumbsup:

Stafford is a mediocre QB that will become a backup within 3 years. He'll never be a good NFL QB. Come back to flame me if I'm wrong...

Watch this and then come back here and tell me you honestly believe the shit you're spewing out your ass...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q01821q-Hg"]YouTube - Matthew Stafford ( Mic'd Up )[/ame]

That was as a rookie btw, the same rookie season that compared very favorably statistically to another young QB thrown into the mix too early...guy by the name of Peyton Manning. Maybe if Stafford got himself one of those sexay cartoon avatars you'd like him better.:love-smiley-086:

 

[clenard]

Right, it's got nothing to do with that turnstile we trot out every week. :thumbsup:

Watch this and then come back here and tell me you honestly believe the shit you're spewing out your ass...

YouTube - Matthew Stafford ( Mic'd Up )

That was as a rookie btw, the same rookie season that compared very favorably statistically to another young QB thrown into the mix too early...guy by the name of Peyton Manning. Maybe if Stafford got himself one of those sexay cartoon avatars you'd like him better.:love-smiley-086:

Wow, great video. You proved that he plays football in the NFL? :thumbsup:

Like I said, he's a mediocre QB and won't be the starter in 3 years. "Spewing out of my ass"? Good one, especially since you mention Peyton Manning in the same sentence. The best 2 QB's to come into the league in the past 10 years are Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford. Stafford is not on the same level of those guys, regardless of your love for them as a fan. So far Stafford has not been able to stay healthy or win more than a few games a year and you're saying he favors Manning statistically? You realize Manning sucked his first year and broke out his second, right? Stafford couldn't have done that.

 

[seiux]

Stafford is a backup because he's never faced good competition in his college career. I'm sure SEC fans will tell you otherwise, but when he played against good coverage he was man handled. He always had good protection in college, had a GREAT WR in AJ Green and a good running game. In college he faced defenses that were strong...against the run. In fact, Florida was the only good Pass Defense in the conference. Now that he's in the Pro's he's facing real coverage with pretty good protection. Shaun Hill is a better QB, yet I would never consider him a franchise QB.

The fact is - Stafford has issues making his reads, he's still trying to learn at a higher level and has yet to make any great decisions when he needs to, in critical situations. He's got one of the best WR's in the league and a decent running game. He can't stay healthy because he makes bad decisions.

The coaching staff is probably one of the better staffs they've had in a long time, but there's never going to be a playoff win with Stafford running that offense.

Their DL is very talented and could become a top 3 line in the league. But at this time -- Stafford is a mediocre QB that will become a backup within 3 years. He'll never be a good NFL QB. Come back to flame me if I'm wrong...

Dude what the fuck are you talking about, college career -- he's been in the pros for 2 years now and (when he's played) has done a pretty damn good job. great decisions when he needs to in critical situations...dunno if you saw his last second td pass in their win over the browns last year (with a fucked up shoulder??)

to say 'he cant stay healthy because he makes bad decisions' is a fucking ridiculous statement. he's not kurt warner dude, his o line is garbage.

you are straight up, blatantly wrong.

also best qbs to come out in the last 10 years are bradford and ryan? you seem to be forgetting the two quarterbacks that are in the superbowl right now (one of them with 2 rings already).

don't come into this forum with your "Probably never played a down in your life, but you'll tell me allllll about the sport" pretentiousness because it's pretty clear you know jack shit.

i'm sure you're a cool guy though. just...christ. football is not your thing.

 

[parrot head]

NFC North is one of the top 2 conferences in the NFL, this year could arguably be the tops. Lions will always be at the bottom of the Pack. Packers/Bears and Vikes (in 3rd) will continue to reign.

 

[clenard]

Dude what the fuck are you talking about, college career -- he's been in the pros for 2 years now and (when he's played) has done a pretty damn good job. great decisions when he needs to in critical situations...dunno if you saw his last second td pass in their win over the browns last year (with a fucked up shoulder??)

to say 'he cant stay healthy because he makes bad decisions' is a fucking ridiculous statement. he's not kurt warner dude, his o line is garbage.

you are straight up, blatantly wrong.

also best qbs to come out in the last 10 years are bradford and ryan? you seem to be forgetting the two quarterbacks that are in the superbowl right now (one of them with 2 rings already).

don't come into this forum with your "Probably never played a down in your life, but you'll tell me allllll about the sport" pretentiousness because it's pretty clear you know jack shit.

i'm sure you're a cool guy though. just...christ. football is not your thing.

Lol it's funny to read stuff like this. People who have absolutely no real world football knowledge, but are big time fans, always say things like that. You're right, Aaron Rodgers is a great QB. But Roethlisberger is a good QB with 2 rings. He plays on a great team that has a history of being a great team.

I've been watching Stafford since his high school days at HPHS where he was a 5-star recruit. I watched him throughout his entire college career and I've watched him in the Pro's. Every level he's slipped a little bit. Great high school QB, good College QB, mediocre NFL QB.

When you can walk me through your pre-snap read vs. a cover two, come talk to me about "football is not your thing." Until then, you're simply stating useless, dramatic nonsense about a player you're a fan of. Nothing more. Being a fan is great, but at least have some knowledge of playing the game or something?

 

[conv3rsion]

Lol it's funny to read stuff like this. People who have absolutely no real world football knowledge, but are big time fans, always say things like that. You're right, Aaron Rodgers is a great QB. But Roethlisberger is a good QB with 2 rings. He plays on a great team that has a history of being a great team.

I've been watching Stafford since his high school days at HPHS where he was a 5-star recruit. I watched him throughout his entire college career and I've watched him in the Pro's. Every level he's slipped a little bit. Great high school QB, good College QB, mediocre NFL QB.

When you can walk me through your pre-snap read vs. a cover two, come talk to me about "football is not your thing." Until then, you're simply stating useless, dramatic nonsense about a player you're a fan of. Nothing more. Being a fan is great, but at least have some knowledge of playing the game or something?

I think the jury is still very much out on Stafford as a pro. He has played 2 years, one of them very injured, and never had a solid OL. Its definitely premature to say that he will be a mediocre NFL QB.

I also don't think that seiux said anything that makes it seem that he has no knowledge of football.

Finally your argument that you have to play football to know football is ridiculous, and I'm saying that having played football through high school.

 

[clenard]

I think the jury is still very much out on Stafford as a pro. He has played 2 years, one of them very injured, and never had a solid OL. Its definitely premature to say that he will be a mediocre NFL QB.

I also don't think that seiux said anything that makes it seem that he has no knowledge of football.

Finally your argument that you have to play football to know football is ridiculous, and I'm saying that having played football through high school.

Never said you had to play football to know about football. I'm saying that most people who talk that way never actually played a down of football and are simply monday morning quarterbacks who know a few rules of the game and a few players of their favorite team and they're always the ones who say others don't know shit. It's the truth.

That's a big difference. I know people who coach football and have never played a down. There's lots of analysts who have never played the game. The difference between arguing with those guys and most fans is that they can point out details in their arguments, whereas dudes like seiux say stuff like "football is not your thing" or "you don't know what you're talking about. You're stupid." The dude couldn't tell me what a 3-tech DT is, much less what a 3-4 defense is. Owning a fathead of your favorite player doesn't really make you knowledgeable in football, neither does watching a lot of games.

Bottom line is - it's all opinion. But at least have a legitimate argument rather than talking nonsense because I just spoke my honest opinion about a guy I've watched play since High School. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. At least argue with reasoning. :thefinger:

 

[clenard]

BTW, Bradford and Suh were just announced as the Offensive and Defensive ROY.

NFL.com news: Top picks are AP's Offensive, Defensive Rookies of the Year

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

NFC North is one of the top 2 conferences in the NFL, this year could arguably be the tops. Lions will always be at the bottom of the Pack. Packers/Bears and Vikes (in 3rd) will continue to reign.

You do realize the Lions finished ahead of the Vikings this year, and that was with a backup QB.

blah blah blah

@Clenard - Stafford played in about 1 quarter of the Chicago game before he got hurt. He came back a few weeks later (while still injured) and against Washington and the Jets put up 6 TD's and 1 int (was actually the receivers fault) with a ~60% completion percentage. His QB ranking puts him in the top 10 just behind Peyton Manning, and ahead of Matt Ryan and Drew Brees. Bradford's QB rating was 76.5% which puts him behind our backup Shaun Hill. And your guy plays in the little league division of the NFL - the best team in the division was 7-9. The Lions play in the best division in football. If you want to talk shit - at least look up the numbers.

Oh and by the way, when the Rams came to Ford Field this year we jailsexed you guys 44-6.

44-6

With our backup QB

and your superstar.

I believe I can close the case on this one.

 

[clenard]

You do realize the Lions finished ahead of the Vikings this year, and that was with a backup QB.



@Clenard - Stafford played in about 1 quarter of the Chicago game before he got hurt. He came back a few weeks later (while still injured) and against Washington and the Jets put up 6 TD's and 1 int (was actually the receivers fault) with a ~60% completion percentage. His QB ranking puts him in the top 10 just behind Peyton Manning, and ahead of Matt Ryan and Drew Brees. Bradford's QB rating was 76.5% which puts him behind our backup Shaun Hill. And your guy plays in the little league division of the NFL - the best team in the division was 7-9. The Lions play in the best division in football. If you want to talk shit - at least look up the numbers.

Oh and by the way, when the Rams came to Ford Field this year we jailsexed you guys 44-6.

44-6

With our backup QB

and your superstar.

I believe I can close the case on this one.

Yep, that Superstar has to lose a few games, regardless. It's all part of the game. Shaun Hill played great that day and Bradford, who actually plays behind a much worse line than Stafford, played like a rookie as soon as his #1 WR (a SL in reality) went down with a major knee injury. After that he had nobody else to throw to other than his current SL, Amendola.

The Lions played much better with Shaun Hill during that time.