Silver to Soar in 2011? What did you say investment wise

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Silver to Soar in 2011, says Investment Guru - SilverSeek.com

Silver is the big buzz in da market. You guys should know abt the return it gave alone in 2010.

Dec 2009 it was at 17$ ounce and on Dec 2010 it moved to 30.50 ounce. Its almost doubled the investment. So it seems like it will be rocking this year too. And another fact:-

“China’s net imports of silver were 112 million ounces last year. In 2005, they were net exporters of 100 million ounces,”
I'm thinking to invest in silver this year. What do you guys suggest?

and yo here are some tits :-

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I try to buy some every month regardless of what its doing price wise

Its just a smart thing to do

Yeah this is a nice strategy to buy every month but I think as it moved in 2010 it will repeat the same. Experts are saying it will cross 50$.

So even if we throw some money on it blindly it will have nice ROI.
 
Lately, I've been thinking about that same thing. Does anyone have any advice about where (how) to buy to make sure the bullions aren't counterfeit?

Also, if I were to buy, say, $200k worth of bullions. Where would I store them?

Regular safety deposit boxes at retail banks are too small. And specialized storage (places) seem like they are too expensive and are mostly aimed at really rich people.
 
Did you have to cut those tits out of your '84 playboy and scan them? Or did you just score a nice retro dump somewhere?
 
Did you have to cut those tits out of your '84 playboy and scan them? Or did you just score a nice retro dump somewhere?
thinking the same with them bushes. all of them could be grannies right now.
 
Silver has over 2000 commercial use's. In the next 10 years you may see silver at over $100, but for 2011 who knows it could be $40 or it could be $19. Just make sure if your dabbling in silver that your buying silver as close to spot as possible. When you start playing with coins you run into problems with selling them. If you don't know what your doing you will get shredded on the numismatic value.
 
$30+ silver gives me the shits. I wish it would keep going up, especially given that I stopped doing significant "storage buys" at about $6.25; as is though, the most I'm doing is in the scrap market. Big buyers are totally soaked in silver coins and other items as the sellers have been coming out of the woodworks the last couple of years, and it's reached the point that they are having problems moving back to retailers -- retailers aren't buying, because the public isn't buying at $30+ an ounce. Public isn't buying because it's the public that sold the scrap to the bulk buyers in the first place -- it's a market that has been skewed by the Internet in a big way. (Because traditionally it went -- take your shit to a coin store/show or pawn shop, who cherry picks and sells the rest to a big regional outfit, who further cherry picks then dumps the rest on the bulk buyers. That model has been torpedoed by the Cash4Gold kind of sites and operations, and the presence of serious bulk buyers at coin shows who have been competing with one another on buy price as the market kept escalating.)

As it comes back around, the bulk buy companies are moving coins in huge quantities at crazy prices, because as long as they can move them now they're still guaranteed a healthy profit. A bulk coin lot can contain up to 80-90% melt value, depending on the quantity bought, and with some sorting there are invariably enough premiums to offset the difference. Bulk buying+Cherry picking+ebay/coin magazine "mysterty bag" kind of bullshit advertising=profit.

But of course, that's less of a market play on silver than it is a market play on silver bugs.


Frank
 
Just buy bullion, don't fuck with coins* because you'll get raped getting in or getting out. Bullion is as close to spot as you're gonna get and it's easy to store. Easy to find 10 and 100 oz bullion bars anywhere that deals in silver. I've bought online from Blanchard before and can vouch for them (I've actually only bought gold coins from them because it's easy for me to find silver bullion locally, but they're good on everything). You're still going to pay a mark up but that's pretty unavoidable. Right now spot is at $33.34 and you're going to pay a little over $35/oz for bullion bars depending on bulk.


* If you're an expert on coins knock yourself out, but for most people it's probably not a good idea.
 
This may help you understand what you are dealing with re: the silver market
The Mechanics Driving The Silver Surge

The Mechanics Driving The Silver Surge
Jeff Snider, Atlantic Capital Management | Feb. 24, 2011, 10:35 AM

The spot price of silver has shot up almost 27% since January 28, 2011. Earlier in January the price of silver (gold too) was in the midst of a powerful correction that had the silver bulls on the run, lending ammunition to the numerous precious metal bubble-believers. The events of the past few months, however, point to an ongoing shortage of available metal in its physical form.

It is important to understand the dynamics of the silver futures market itself. Every single futures contract represents the ability to purchase or sell 5,000 ounces of silver at some specified date. While there are contracts expiring every month, actual delivery months are specified in advance. September 2010, December 2010, and March 2011 are all delivery months.

Silver futures also protect physical sellers by requiring contract buyers to deposit enough funds in their account to cover the entire contract purchase on “notice days” – specific days just before the delivery month. For example, the notice day for the March 2011 contract is February 28, 2011. Regardless of how many contracts are outstanding (open interest) on the notice dates, only those that have deposited funds can take physical delivery. The non-deposit contracts either settle for cash or roll over into the next delivery month.

The notice date for the September 2010 contract was August 30. On that day there were 21,466 contracts outstanding that were “in the money” (contracts that may take physical delivery). That represented a potential withdrawal of 107 million ounces of silver. In early September, the total COMEX inventory was about 111 million ounces.

That sounds like a potential problem, but only a small percentage of the 21,466 contracts put up funds for delivery. In fact, only 3,002 did. And of those 3,002 contracts, 483 still settled for cash, leaving only 2,519 for actual deliveries (about 12.5 million ounces).

Moving forward to the December 2010 contract, there were 17,208 eligible for delivery as of the first notice date. Of those, 5,428 deposited funds for delivery, a massive 80% increase from September. Not coincidentally, the price of silver jumped to $30 per ounce in November. What was really interesting about the December delivery was the fact that 3,583 of the 5,428 contracts ended up settling for cash (leaving only 1,845 to take delivery, a little more than half the September number). Why would these contract holders, all of which deposited enough cash to take the physical metal, change their minds?

The prevailing theory is simply that these contract holders never intended to take delivery, they only wanted the exchange to think that they would. If the actual supply of silver was something far less than the stated 110+ million ounces, the silver suppliers would have to pay a premium well above contract prices to “convince” contract buyers to settle for cash. In other words, this is a bit of legal financial extortion.

The silver sellers, especially silver producers, should respond to this shortage by selling forward their production. In order to do this, producers would lease silver for a small fee to deliver today, locking in the higher spot price. When the silver actually comes out of the ground they can replace the silver they have leased and already sold. In this situation, the future price of silver becomes backwards, and declines further down the curve. This is extremely rare for precious metals futures; future prices should be at a premium to near-term prices.

In fact, this is exactly the current situation. The futures curve is now solidly in backwardation – with the front month (March 2011) price $33.675 declining all the way down to $31.837 for the December 2015 contract. At the same time silver lease rates jumped dramatically in mid-January 2011, with another jump in mid-February.

So how does all this affect the spot price of silver?

Essentially, if there really is a shortage of the physical metal, then the spot price has to rise to entice/force holders of the actual metal to release it to the market. If the shortage is acute, then there is not enough metal available for leasing to alleviate this imbalance. And more importantly for the current price, as the extortion/speculation process grows unchecked then the spot price has to rise even higher to convince holders to release more physical silver.

For the March 2011 contract, only four days away from the current notice date, there are still 50,000 contracts open. In the past week only 10,000 contracts have rolled off, meaning the potential for contract depositors taking physical delivery is much higher than either September or December. The normal roll into the May 2011 contracts (the next delivery month) has stalled out in the past couple of days.

It is no wonder that the COMEX increased margin requirements again by 50% on February 18. While the exchange certainly has an interest in maintaining transactional integrity it is curious that these margin increases only come in the weeks ahead of delivery months, when open interest is still high. For many investors, this is simply more evidence of a supply shortage, that the exchange itself is trying to shake off the weaker players and whittle down the number of open contracts.

It worked in November, and the price of silver saw a short, sharp decline before resuming its upward trend. The February margin change, however, does not seem to have had any effect.

There is no direct evidence of a shortage of available metal, only the data we have pieced together above. In my opinion, it is highly suggestive of a physical imbalance. And it should be pointed out that not all of this is due to speculation alone. Perhaps the latest margin increase had little effect because the contract buyers are not speculators, but are dealers or mints that have run out of the actual metal. We know for a fact that Royal Canadian Mint is out of metal, and the US and Austrian mints have seen record sales in January.

In terms of price action, the imbalance seems to be attracting enough attention that it will grow at each delivery month. If enough contract buyers deposit money for delivery at each notice date, then it stands to reason that in a shortage predicament they might have a lot of leverage over a potential cash settlement price. And if they are successful in gaining large premiums on top of very favorable price action, they will continue to do it and bring more and more friends.
 
@lyn: Depends on how much you're buying. Most online places are not bad for shippind. APMEX.com is a great place for bullion that I've used many times.

@UG: You make a good point about coins; wanted to clarify my own post to say I'm talking about scrap coins being sold at or near melt value. Numismatics are actually in a great buy-and-hold place right now due to historically low premiums over spot value, but that requires an actual understanding of the market. We're multigenerational collectors in my family, and as such have some fantastic shit, but mainly because somebody decades ago put away coins and passed them down. Getting into numismatics "blind" as an investment, or even worse because of some telemarketer or shit you saw on an informercial, seems to be how most people do it, and it's just flushing money down the toilet of course.


Frank
 
I've thought about buying Silver, but from what I hear it's a bitch to sell back. I might buy some 100z bars anyways.
 
check out David Morgan, he's a silver investor guru.

(Not a client, but some of my clients have been mentioned in passing on his site. And the traffic was awesome. Meaning, the big ballers in silver investing follow him. Meaning, he might know what he is talking about)
 
Lately, I've been thinking about that same thing. Does anyone have any advice about where (how) to buy to make sure the bullions aren't counterfeit?

Also, if I were to buy, say, $200k worth of bullions. Where would I store them?

Regular safety deposit boxes at retail banks are too small. And specialized storage (places) seem like they are too expensive and are mostly aimed at really rich people.
The bank I have my safety deposit box at, I have seen insanely huge ones for ballers like you.

I have bought some silver at $13.50/ounce, then more at $18.80 and recently my parents bought some for $28. Shit doesn't stop going up.
 
Just buy bullion, don't fuck with coins* because you'll get raped getting in or getting out. Bullion is as close to spot as you're gonna get and it's easy to store. Easy to find 10 and 100 oz bullion bars anywhere that deals in silver. I've bought online from Blanchard before and can vouch for them (I've actually only bought gold coins from them because it's easy for me to find silver bullion locally, but they're good on everything). You're still going to pay a mark up but that's pretty unavoidable. Right now spot is at $33.34 and you're going to pay a little over $35/oz for bullion bars depending on bulk.


* If you're an expert on coins knock yourself out, but for most people it's probably not a good idea.
Yeah bullions are much better, you do not get charged as much. 100oz is not that expensive anyways.