U.S. Foreign Policy: What Would You Do?
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We never cared about them in the first place. Obviously Bush's wars were about control of oil and establishment of a base the size of the Vatican.
Obama is just on a power trip, he seems to think he declare wars without oversight of congress. The guy is actually a little bit worse than Bush in some ways. He never wanted peace, he just wanted to get elected and he'll say whatever he can to keep his power.
Really? Is that why we have $5 gas and most of the contracts have gone to China? Maybe it was about Bush getting back at Saddam for daddy. Maybe it was for military industry but it sure as fuck wasn't about oil.
If it was about oil, and if it were like most other countries that have shed blood to invade another country, we'd have that shit pumping and enjoying the spoils of the victors.
Century of the Self is not relevant to this question; That's a totally different war that needs to be fought here on our homefront.
My answer for a Fix for our Foreign Policy:
The USA must go into isolationist mode for a bit. Our own problems are too big for now and we are way too broke. -So we should make a deal with the rest of the world (our allies) that they help keep us out of shit for a while (say 10 years?) and they'll get our best trade agreements while we're under.
We've been isolationists many times before, and most of the founding fathers were quite serious about being isolationists forever.
While we're in Isolation mode we need to do whatever it takes to become fiscally viable again, and yes, that necessitates taming the corporations.
To the rest of the world, we'd still be visitable, but there would be no budget whatsoever for anything that happens off US soil. This would cause undue stress on our allies when something like Japan or Haiti happens again, but they'd know it's temporary and are getting our trade agreements in the meantime.
When we emerge with new money and new laws to ensure the money stays put, China will finally have an opponent, instead of a wounded lamb to hunt.
About Oil: We have huge reserves, I think they'll do great at getting us through the 10 years. Solar, Nukes, & Wind should be the goal for energy, however.
we cannot be isolationists when our power grid and economic engines are at the mercy of the world banisters and foreign governments who want to destroy us.
Do we really need to allow another hitler with WMD take charge and call the shots...
Hummm... seems all of our factories have been relocated to a big country far away who believes they have the right to rule the world under one big "harmonious" leadership and are building a military who believes can take it if they can't buy it.
The world will NOT be a better place without America as the prominent player.
Do we really need to allow another hitler with WMD take charge and call the shots...
Hummm... seems all of our factories have been relocated to a big country far away who believes they have the right to rule the world under one big "harmonious" leadership and are building a military who believes can take it if they can't buy it.
The world will NOT be a better place without America as the prominent player.
From a philosophical point of view, I would prefer that the role of the U.S. military be limited to national defense from eminent threats (no strategic interventions) and securing international trade channels, especially with our Navy. I'd rather us be pew pewing pirates than smart bombing camels.
Of course, that's a much easier ideal to uphold when you're a small underdog nation and not the world's reigning superpower. I don't pretend it could ever be as simple as just pulling all our guys back home at this point.
Of course, that's a much easier ideal to uphold when you're a small underdog nation and not the world's reigning superpower. I don't pretend it could ever be as simple as just pulling all our guys back home at this point.
Uh, we have been losing our dominance for some time now. In fact, if we continue down this road we will lose much more of our power, hence why we need to go into isolation and fix the many problems - education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc, etc.
Speak of the fucking devil:
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Not really, China is exceptionally strong, Russia is still growing, there's no reason for us to be the world police when we have major issues here.
Yes, you have cheap oil compared to the rest of the west. We pay easily double what you guys pay.
Not just oil - we have a lot of reserves
of course the above includes natural gas - which by the way is a renewable energy source (for you green nuts) .
The price you pay is irrelevant. You pay too much so we should also? Gas should be $1.45 gallon. Supplies of oil are abundant. Gas is up because the Gov't wants is up - no basis in supply/demand - I here this on Bloomberg radio every week.
The gov't wants gas prices up because they are trying to destroy the US economy. period.
By the way, whomever mentioned Europe and how they are now recovered from WWII etc - so now they will again dominate? They will dominate if we continue toward copying their socialism. They will never dominate if we correct our current course back away from the crush of socialism.
One last thing - someone mentioned we are taking the oil from the Middle East.
1. Bullshit or prices would be lower. (as was mentioned)
2. Who's oil is it anyway? Did we not partner with oil producers, gave them our technology, our mental capital, etc - then they nationalized it all and told us to screw off and screw the agreements they made with us?
Wow, hadn't seen it put like that before. I now have a bit more respect for the USA, because this chart makes it blatantly obvious that our plan all along has been to dwindle everyone else's supply of oil before we touch our own.
Perhaps we will be #1 again, if Green tech doesn't step up soon enough.
Whoa - That also would be very strong evidence that we are artificially keeping green tech under wraps so we'll be able to sell all that oil someday!
NOW who killed the electric car?! </pulls tinfoil hat tighter>
Um, how is natural gas renewable? It still comes out of the ground, right?
<Removes tinfoil hat in awe of bigger tinfoil hat>
Hmm. So you're saying the US Government wants to destroy the economy directly? The US Government? What purpose would that serve exactly?
Lucy, you got some Esplainin' to do...
Are you doubting the image and therefore claiming we do not have the reserves?
When I mentioned the "govt" - I meant the leaders of the government. There is an obvious intent to the policies of our government to harm the economy. You cannot see that?
1. Spending way more than we should.
2. Re-distributing wealth to non productive sectors.
3. Artificially keeping energy prices high, to reduce disposable income, crush the lower classes, and kill small business.
4. Allow unlimited cheap labor to once again lower wages, opportunity, etc for the lower and middle classes.
5. It goes on and on and on -
You cannot see that as intent?
Natural gas is renewable.
Natural gas is methane and other gasses. They treat it to take out the other gasses and leave the methane. Methane is the natural gas we use. Methane can come from everything from decomposing organic wastes produced in everything from existing landfills to decomposing grown grasses. It also comes from cows - and is renewable.
on a more serious note these are landfill gas generators
http://www.energyfromwaste.com/expertise/landfill-gas.shtml
When I mentioned the "govt" - I meant the leaders of the government. There is an obvious intent to the policies of our government to harm the economy. You cannot see that?
1. Spending way more than we should.
2. Re-distributing wealth to non productive sectors.
3. Artificially keeping energy prices high, to reduce disposable income, crush the lower classes, and kill small business.
4. Allow unlimited cheap labor to once again lower wages, opportunity, etc for the lower and middle classes.
5. It goes on and on and on -
You cannot see that as intent?
Natural gas is renewable.
Natural gas is methane and other gasses. They treat it to take out the other gasses and leave the methane. Methane is the natural gas we use. Methane can come from everything from decomposing organic wastes produced in everything from existing landfills to decomposing grown grasses. It also comes from cows - and is renewable.
on a more serious note these are landfill gas generators
http://www.energyfromwaste.com/expertise/landfill-gas.shtml
No. It was interesting and I meant every letter of that "wow."
I already knew we had more than enough to go into isolation mode for years... But to have more oil than every other country save russia put together... That should be damn scary to the rest of the world.
Nobody can prove that intent, and in fact there are better explanations for all this crap:
A. The Popular answer: Bloated Beauracracy/ineptitude/laziness/incompetance on the part of our lawmakers and the system in general.
B. The CORRECT answer: Corporate lobbying and campaign funding have completely turned our system into something that serves Corporations, not taxpayers. It works EXACTLY how the big international corporations want it to... Primary goal: Profitable. (At our expense.)
I've never before heard anyone imply that our lawmakers have gotten in the system with the intent of breaking down the country... What would be their overall goal to do this?
Ahh, methane. I thought you were talking about Propane, which is mined. (Because it's a major consumer fuel, and methane is not.) My bad. So the answer here is that SOME natural gases are renewable. -Of course burning methane puts pollution in the atmosphere so I don't think many greenies will go for that solution for the long run either...
Stop all foreign aid, withdraw all U.S. troops, stop the War on U.S. Energy, and let them all go to hell.
They say we need to be there because we need their oil, while they shut down every U.S. oil drilling company/coal company/natural gas company here at home. Isn't the solution obvious?
They say we need to be there because we need their oil, while they shut down every U.S. oil drilling company/coal company/natural gas company here at home. Isn't the solution obvious?
God Dammit I hate it when HB and I agree!
...Now I've got to go and Re-think my position. It MUST be flawed...
...Now I've got to go and Re-think my position. It MUST be flawed...