Science vs. Faith (PIC)

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Yes, without God you are worthless. Your only here to reproduce your species. You should know that, you seem to like science.
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1) Christian world view. I do not see myself as worthless. Science does not tell me I am. It tells me I am the product of millions of years of evolution.

While we are at it, I am trying to better my community, live ethically (standards not set by God, but by society and my own thinking foremost) and better the lives of people around me. I will have kids and raise them to be good people, without religion.

This is the point where I will point you back at the pic at the beginning of the thread and stop discussing this, because we have reached a barrier in your head.

It's called christianity.

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rofl, it's funny how you assume Christians are ignorant, when it's actually you that's ignorant of our non-ignorance.
 
Ignorant of what? Of your god? of your faith?

I live in a Xtian country, so how could I be? I had religion in school and was a (non-baptized..LOL) member of the catholic boyscouts, so I know a lot about christian beliefs and their faith.

So... tell me, Roman... did baby jesus tell you to distribute trojans with your screensavers?

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Ignorant of what? Of your god? of your faith?

I live in a Xtian country, so how could I be? I had religion in school and was a (non-baptized..LOL) member of the catholic boyscouts, so I know a lot about christian beliefs and their faith.

So... tell me, Roman... did baby jesus tell you to distribute trojans with your screensavers?

You seem to think that just because I believe in God that I am unaware of science. Your wrong.

Please don't make fun of Jesus/God - he might not mean a lot to you but he means a lot to a lot of people.

So what if I distribute adware through screen savers? It's not illegal, or really not all that unethical. Come on, you have BlueHatSEO on your blogroll.
 
I live in a Xtian country, so how could I be? I had religion in school and was a (non-baptized..LOL) member of the catholic boyscouts, so I know a lot about christian beliefs and their faith.

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Actually, you would know only about the christian beliefs and faith that you were only exposed to. As my personal belief is that many christians do not know a lot about their belief, I would say you know even less. Simple logic here - you do not know something simply by hearsay and observance of a small grouping.


This thread is becoming so DP it is is sad. On DP they being up stuff like this all the time becuase they know it inflames viewpoints and the original author also knows that with more views and arguments in ther thread, they will get a few cents with the DP Adsense sharing thing.

There is stuff here that offends me and to be honest I do not think there is enough "experts" on either side to make it a worthwhile discussion.
 
Actually, you would know only about the christian beliefs and faith that you were only exposed to. As my personal belief is that many christians do not know a lot about their belief, I would say you know even less. Simple logic here - you do not know something simply by hearsay and observance of a small grouping.

I agree.

There is stuff here that offends me and to be honest I do not think there is enough "experts" on either side to make it a worthwhile discussion.

I agree again, we should end this with some punch and pie.
 
Setec, public schools have been feeding you a truckload of bullshit. The Theory of Evolution is only taught because it is the only theory about the origin of life that is not based on a religion (however, evolution is still a faith that you are worthless and you came about by chance to reproduce your species).
RomeStar, I'm sorry, but you really don't even have a clue what evolution is. You have only the fuzzy strawman picture of it that religious sources have shown you, which is nothing like the actual scientific field.

And I'm not "being fed a truckload of bullshit by public schools." I did my undergrad at an Ivy League college (oh shit, East Coast Liberal Alert!!!! RUN!) and my graduate research uses evolution constantly. So my qualifications are a little better than "bullshit public school." And they're a lot better than Christian schools, Islamic Madrassas, etc.

You creationists just don't realize what a huge joke you are to anybody who knows anything about life science. That's why we mostly just make fun of you rather than engage your arguments -- it's impossible to take you seriously. The information to prove you're wrong is everywhere, and if you can't take 15 seconds on Google to find it then you're pretty much hopeless. Fairly "debating" you isn't really worthwhile since you wouldn't recognize evidence if it hit you over the head with a bowling ball. I found a good IRC quote off Digg today that kind of conveys this point:

<kow`> "There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
<SpaceRain> That's only 2 types of people, kow.
<SpaceRain> STUPID
Creationists are like SpaceRain. They constantly think they're playing "gotcha" when really they just aren't thinking on the level necessary to understand even the basics.

(I went to a Christian school for two years) Setec, I highly doubt you have honestly studied creationism.
You don't have to study horoscopes or Tarot cards, either, to know that those are bullshit. The Bible is exactly like those, except more harmful.

I only brought up carbon dating because a lot of people's first response when I tell them the age of the Earth is what about carbon dating? My point is that it is not reliable. There are varies factors that could make it inaccurate; for example carbon dating assumes that the rate of carbon decay has remained the same over the thousands of years the creature has been dead.
Apparently you missed the point. Carbon dating is very accurate on the scale at which it's used. And it's calibrated using tree rings and other measures for the first several thousand years.

And that brings up another good point: fucking tree rings prove the Universe is older than you think it is. You don't need radioactive isotopes, just an ax. When your world view can be disproved with a tool you can fashion out of flint, you need to rethink it.

"Evolution is mathematically impossible. The mathematical probability of a SINGLE CELL coming about by chance is 1/10340,000,000, the fraction 1 divided by 1 followed by 340 million zeros! And then this cell must live long enough to reproduce. And then the reproduced cell must live long enough to do the same. And then more "accidents" must happen to cause more complexity. And then more "accidents" must happen to cause more complexity. And long before the first "accident" evolution is nothing but a silly, mystical fairy tale."
This is why people who know ANYTHING laugh their asses off at you. You have not even remotely described how evolution suggests that life came to be.

First, cells are advanced, especially eukaryotic cells. The first life was probably a self-replicating molecule, a precursor of DNA, devoid of all the other fancy trappings of a cell. And given that the proper ingredients were stewing in a soup of organic goo across much of the Earth for hundreds of millions of years, that's not improbable at all.

Evolution is really the opposite of an accidental process. That's what people don't get. All forms of life involve errors in their replication, which result in some degree of random variation in future generations. Natural selection is the highly non-random process which funnels those variations in the most beneficial directions, resulting in surprisingly predictable long-term changes of organisms in response to their environments.

Try learning something about it before you run around telling people it's wrong.

Finally, I would like to point out that there is no such thing as a vestigial organ (an organ that is useless - like a leftover byproduct of evolution). It is a common misconception that the appendix is useless, go read this: Cutting out a useless vestigial argument
Wronnnnng. Just about every organism has lots of vestigial features, and not just macroscopic organs. Most DNA doesn't do a thing... it's mostly left-over byproducts of past ancestors.

there are very smart people on both sides of the creation vs evolution argument
There are very few on the creation side, and all of them are either (a) brainwashed from such an early age that they didn't have a chance, or (b) formerly smart, but now suffering from senility.

when has something turned into a new species? never.
Read the links in my last post. We have observed several cases of speciation. Furthermore, that's all we would expect. In most things it happens over a much longer time scale than we've been around for. It's not instantaneous. Evolution does not say Harry Potter came along and *poof* turned a cat into a dog. That only happens in religion.

science itself may not be a faith, but the Theory of Evolution is. You believe that there is no God and that you are absolutely worthless, you came around by chance and that you can do whatever you want in your materialistic lives and when you die you just cease to live (when you actually go to Hell on Judgement Day)
Where do you get your information about atheists, fucking Pat Robertson?

Atheists are one of the most moral groups in America, responsible for far less crime per person than Christians or other religious types. We believe that there's only one life so we shouldn't fuck it up, and that under no circumstances will we be rewarded with a room full of virgins if we fly a jet into a skyscraper. Furthermore, I don't need a giant imaginary father figure in the sky to give meaning to my life -- I can decide on my own meaning. And I'm certainly not worthless to myself or to thousands of other people who benefit from various things I do.

You've been brainwashed by KKK types to think that atheists lead materialistic, immoral, meaningless lives. You're not alone; we atheists are pretty much the only group about which a majority of Americans still agree with the Klan.

I am encouraged by the number of atheists speaking up here, and in other places on the Internet. I guess places like WF are usually tilted toward a smarter than average segment of the population, and therefore more atheists, but I think the anonymity of the Internet is part of it, too. There are probably a lot more atheists willing to speak their minds behind the anonymity of the net than in public or phone surveys... so the percentage of fully sane people in the country might be higher than the estimated 10-15%. :)
 
You seem to think that just because I believe in God that I am unaware of science. Your wrong.

Yeah, well, "your" an idiot.

Please don't make fun of Jesus/God - he might not mean a lot to you but he means a lot to a lot of people.

Well, according to the bio on His blog, God admits to Richard Dawkins' characterization of Him as

“arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully”

Why can't we make fun of that?

His nephew Jesus is a little strange, too. And he's not very good at taking care of ponies, either.
 
Setec, guess what? You probably just quoted all of my posts I made in this thread except for the one when I said I was done. This argument is pointless because neither side will change. You said you can just look up in Google how creationism is wrong, but you can do the said for evolution too - it's endless. Also, I still believe I am the ONLY person on this thread that has studied BOTH evolution and creationism.
 
Here's how I see it:

Religion originated as a way for people to find ease in death. Face it, it is pretty damn scary to face death if you know it is 'the end'. It is much easier to say 'mom is in a better place' then to say "mom's stream of consciousness just flatlined". I have a son. My son is the only individual that I would unequivically give my life for without any thought or consideration to myself. If my son were to die due to uncontrolled circumstances, I believe I would surely lose it. No shit. I would really like to believe there is an afterlife, but I am not sure. If someone came to me right now and claimed they knew the real truth, and if I guessed right i'd get 10 million dollars, my guess would be that there is no afterlife. Seriously, who the fuck really knows? Back to my point...........my son is the most important thing in my life. If he died, and I felt like he was robbed of life, it would be a nightmare. However, if I believed that he was truly in 'a better place' and that I would see him again, it would make things SO MUCH easier. That, in my opinion, is how religion caught on as a staple of society. It's easier for a person to believe in it than it is to disbelieve. Presented with 2 options, most people will choose the easier path.

Then, some sordid sons-of-bitches learned how to manipulate religion for money. A shitload of years later.....and here we are.
 
Here's how I see it:

Religion originated as a way for people to find ease in death. Face it, it is pretty damn scary to face death if you know it is 'the end'. It is much easier to say 'mom is in a better place' then to say "mom's stream of consciousness just flatlined". I have a son. My son is the only individual that I would unequivically give my life for without any thought or consideration to myself. If my son were to die due to uncontrolled circumstances, I believe I would surely lose it. No shit. I would really like to believe there is an afterlife, but I am not sure. If someone came to me right now and claimed they knew the real truth, and if I guessed right i'd get 10 million dollars, my guess would be that there is no afterlife. Seriously, who the fuck really knows? Back to my point...........my son is the most important thing in my life. If he died, and I felt like he was robbed of life, it would be a nightmare. However, if I believed that he was truly in 'a better place' and that I would see him again, it would make things SO MUCH easier. That, in my opinion, is how religion caught on as a staple of society. It's easier on a person to believe in it than it is to disbelieve.

I know God exists and I would bet my life on it, because I have a personal relationship with God - something you should seek.

Then, some sordid sons-of-bitches learned how to manipulate religion for money. A shitload of years later.....and here we are.

sounds like scientology, lol
 
Also, I still believe I am the ONLY person on this thread that has studied BOTH evolution and creationism.

We've all studied creationism on the level that you studied evolution.

About smart people: 99.9999% of all scientists think you are wrong.

But still, you've done your "research" and know better..
 
Again, these thread is leading nowhere. Setec, there are webmasters here who would find degoratory references to God quite offensive. I know I do.

Considering the original submitter started the thread just to get a few laughs and perhaps rep points and has not taken part in this thread at all, this thread is pure DP and should belong there in their Politics & Religion Forum section.
 
LOL, I guess I am not letting this end, and, after all, this is the "Shooting the shit" section.

Just wanted to vent and tell you that I've just about had it with pansy Xtians who cry foul whenever someone says anything about their G_d.

(and "Baby Jesus" isn't even derogatory)

Yet you feel justified in calling other people worthless. :repuke:

@romestar - as for ethical behaviour:
Yes, I DO link to bluehat, however, I DO NOT traffick Trojans. Even Deli switched from zango to promoting Google Pack. Sending people to the site, that is, NOT installing it without asking.

@anyone
Science is no belief. I do not believe in Evolution. I look at the data that supports it and decide to go along with the theory until a better one comes along.

So far, Creationism does not present itself as being supported by hard evidence.

ID is dead in the water as well, there are just so many flaws in the creatures of this earth that there must be a drunk God indeed.

Yes, the chances that ANYTHING like a single cell evolves out of matter is indeed very small.

The chance that there is a "Supreme Being" creating the world and all it's creatures is even smaller and can ONLY be arrived at by a leap of faith.

As a scientist, I will NEVER take that leap. Give me a chance of 134billion to 1 over faith anytime.

Now, please turn in your antibiotics, Roman.
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Yes, I DO link to bluehat, however, I DO NOT traffick Trojans. Even Deli switched from zango to promoting Google Pack. Sending people to the site, that is, NOT installing it without asking.

Leave him alone. God never said: thou shall not add trojans to screensavers and promote them. That makes it OK.
 
Bahahaha, Romestar you are classic man. Even my religious education teachers at school are sketchy on "God" but I don't wanna get involved.
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You are so right
 
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