Yeah, depending on the # of working days in the month.
And thats the exact question I wrestle with every single time I work on one of my sites...
Who here could handle a "real" job nowadays?
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Yeah, depending on the # of working days in the month.
And thats the exact question I wrestle with every single time I work on one of my sites...
I don't know how I have lasted so long in a 9-5. I work at a bank and hate sucking ass to all these dip shit fuck heads who get pissed at me because i didn't personally call them when they go negative or because their credit is shit.
I will never forget my last day at T-Mobile either about a year ago I was standing in my kiosk in the mall getting ready to give this lady a massive discount on her phones just to shut her up, then she had the nerve to call me arrogant for eating my chipotle rice in front of her ( i was on lunch aka wasting my free time to help her and there isn't a break room for kiosk guys...).
With that said, I called her a fucking cunt bitch and when she asked for the manager i GLADLY informed her that i was the manager and that she could fuck off because i was on lunch! true story.....( the expression on her high school kids face was priceless).
I will never forget my last day at T-Mobile either about a year ago I was standing in my kiosk in the mall getting ready to give this lady a massive discount on her phones just to shut her up, then she had the nerve to call me arrogant for eating my chipotle rice in front of her ( i was on lunch aka wasting my free time to help her and there isn't a break room for kiosk guys...).
With that said, I called her a fucking cunt bitch and when she asked for the manager i GLADLY informed her that i was the manager and that she could fuck off because i was on lunch! true story.....( the expression on her high school kids face was priceless).
I was anti-job for the past 4 years until I realized that I could move to silicon valley, live off my site & biz earnings, while getting an interesting job plying my talents @ a startup and learning how a VC funded business grows from the inside.
That's my plan for the next year or two; playing in the big boy sandbox.
I'll just stash my pay checks in the bank and buy a multi-unit vacation rental south of the border at the end of the year.
It will be a welcome change, working @ home has been a monotonous grind for the past 2 years.
When I was younger I was always trying to escape the idea of working for someone else but I eventually realized that no matter what you do you'll always be working for someone else in some form or another.
That's my plan for the next year or two; playing in the big boy sandbox.
I'll just stash my pay checks in the bank and buy a multi-unit vacation rental south of the border at the end of the year.
It will be a welcome change, working @ home has been a monotonous grind for the past 2 years.
When I was younger I was always trying to escape the idea of working for someone else but I eventually realized that no matter what you do you'll always be working for someone else in some form or another.
You do it because you know you aren't going to make much more than $22k a month. In IM you have no ceiling.
I don't know about you guys, but the moment I'm doing some kind of strategy or campaign & I see it has an upside of only $22k/m, with no hope of making more but still requires all of my time each day to perform it... I immediately drop that sumbitch like a blob of lava and look for something that's going to make me a millionaire this year.
If you are going to enjoy the VC thing then that's awesome, more power to you... But I find no monotony whatsoever working at home. Working anywhere else just seems so... Uncivilized!
As for the 'always working for someone else somehow,' I gotta wonder what you're doing wrong.
If by that you mean that ultimately the customer is your boss, then I have to answer: "If your customer has the ability to contact you, you're doing it wrong."
In a free market society, she would have more easily found assistance from someone not eating their lunch.
Slave? I am the SEO/IM department at my job. I like the fact that I can just go into work, kick ass and go home. No work is following me home. My boss is chill as long as I get results.
I do get linkbuilding done by people at WF. I'm buying high pr blogroll links for a new project. I don't outsouce 100% of my work just because I actually would like to do my own article submission,bookmarking etc. I can though if I wanted to.
Health Insurance, chill with cool people who do well enough being in different industries so I get exposed to different stuff. Personally having a 9-5 is not for everybody. I like mine because I'm apart of the company (strategically planning,comissions etc.) not just working for it.You thought he was inferring to job security? I just assumed he was inferring to banging the secretary.
So flaw3d, what's up? What perks are we missing out on?
Damn Dreammachine that's more then $100 an hour ? Nice job lol.
A business is at the will of consumers. It extends a lot deeper than a contact form.
But what does this have to do with having a boss?
A "Boss" has the following downsides:
1. Gives you work to do.
2. Has bad breath.
3. Gets upset when you don't to the work to his/her spec.
4. Tells boring stories about the old days.
5. Thinks he/she knows how to do everything you do far better but is wrong.
6. Has no sense of humor.
7. Says "No" when you need a raise or advance.
8. Takes credit for your work to the higher-ups.
9. Is by virtue of being your boss, a higher-up and therefore "keeping you down."
10. Has just as many customers "to serve" about as you do.
Am I leaving anything significant out? That's what a boss is.
Customers are different. They are the end-user, not the slave-master. Only a biz model where you let them contact and command you directly would have them act as a slave-master too.
Other biz models ensure that you control your success by tweaking copy, split-testing landers, place your ads in new places, find better link bait, run different ads, buy more content, etc... You do jobs and the customer decides if the end result is something they like or not.
-Just like they would at whatever company you would be working for at a job.
A "Boss" has the following downsides:
1. Gives you work to do.
2. Has bad breath.
3. Gets upset when you don't to the work to his/her spec.
4. Tells boring stories about the old days.
5. Thinks he/she knows how to do everything you do far better but is wrong.
6. Has no sense of humor.
7. Says "No" when you need a raise or advance.
8. Takes credit for your work to the higher-ups.
9. Is by virtue of being your boss, a higher-up and therefore "keeping you down."
10. Has just as many customers "to serve" about as you do.
Am I leaving anything significant out? That's what a boss is.
Customers are different. They are the end-user, not the slave-master. Only a biz model where you let them contact and command you directly would have them act as a slave-master too.
Other biz models ensure that you control your success by tweaking copy, split-testing landers, place your ads in new places, find better link bait, run different ads, buy more content, etc... You do jobs and the customer decides if the end result is something they like or not.
-Just like they would at whatever company you would be working for at a job.
I think you're making good points, but you can't really compare affiliate marketing to the majority of other business types in the world as it's arbitrage. You're basically constantly searching for cheap sources of qualified leads to pass on to someone else whose job it is to properly service them in exchange for a referral commission. You have no product, so you have nothing to provide support for. You don't have customers, your customer is technically the advertiser as they're coming to you (oftentimes via an affiliate network) to get them leads in exchange for a commission. The leads aren't your customers. Affiliate marketing is vastly different than basically all other business models in the world.
Having done the product/SaaS thing a few times, I can assure you that if I were not accessible even by just a contact form, things would not go very smoothly at all.
I agree, I don't think I could ever go back to the office life. Working five days a week at the same desk and same time everyday sounds terrible. I love the freedom of my own schedule.
Then you, my friend, are most definitely doing it wrong. :thumbsup:
I really wasn't trying to. My whole point was just:
Biz models where you have no customer contact > all other biz models.
If the 9-5 included a cool boss, a percentage in the company and some flexible work at home hours and more vacation time.. then I'd be alright.
Not many jobs like that though. So fuck 9-5 / typical jobs.
Not many jobs like that though. So fuck 9-5 / typical jobs.
I think everybody does it different, but this is spot on.
I know the most pleasurable thing I have ever done was build websites, rank them, and throw adsense/CPA/CPS/eBay on them and rinse/repeat. The only time I fucked up was putting on contact forms on those sites to please Google and then having those forms work and actually email me shit people put in them.
After about the 40th email of people asking me "how can I buy" type of questions, I disabled those damn forms.
People can argue "you don't have a product/support/model", but I could care less. At the end of the day a business is measured by how much in the black you are...
