anyone here do martial arts?

[crackp0t]

Mu Duk Kwan / Tan Soo Do looks interesting

It's a lot of fun as well. Don't discount Hapkido either the throws and locks are deadly if used right. The best way I could describe it would be Korean Akido. I'm kind of partial, because I have a black belt in both. Although I haven't trained in a while it eventually gets ingrained in you and you'll be surprised what you do out of instinct.

 

[rockstar45177]

It's a lot of fun as well. Don't discount Hapkido either the throws and locks are deadly if used right. The best way I could describe it would be Korean Akido. I'm kind of partial, because I have a black belt in both. Although I haven't trained in a while it eventually gets ingrained in you and you'll be surprised what you do out of instinct.

why did you stop training?

 

[crackp0t]

why did you stop training?

Moved, got married, and had kids. I haven't found a place that was nearly as good as where I was. The guy would ran the place was the best instructor I've ever found for anything. Just a word to the wise. Never mess with an old Korean guy, especially if his hands are jacked up.

 

[charlesmartel]

It was actually mostly Kali Escrima (Filipino weapons martial arts).

Crazy stuff.

Thanks! Any instructors/masters you recommend?

 

[bobby_custard]

It isnt really a martial art but as a 'get the fuck out of there safely' system its got to be Krav Maga. Unlikely you'd stick it out long term though, most people don't. Maybe better to just find a class of something that is near to you, that you can do 2 or 3 times a week without getting too physically drained and most importantly one that you enjoy. Then you're more likely to be able to commit to it and make it part of your life to get the long term benefits.

 

[rockstar45177]

Moved, got married, and had kids. I haven't found a place that was nearly as good as where I was. The guy would ran the place was the best instructor I've ever found for anything. Just a word to the wise. Never mess with an old Korean guy, especially if his hands are jacked up.

right will remember that .

It isnt really a martial art but as a 'get the fuck out of there safely' system its got to be Krav Maga. Unlikely you'd stick it out long term though, most people don't. Maybe better to just find a class of something that is near to you, that you can do 2 or 3 times a week without getting too physically drained and most importantly one that you enjoy. Then you're more likely to be able to commit to it and make it part of your life to get the long term benefits.

right krav maga teaches you "mental aggression" and fast moves to get in and get out of a situation safely and is very practical for common street fights. I already found one near me just have to check it out for now. might also do some BJJ or Muay Tai kick boxing or maybe some form of karate/kung fu judging by the responses I have gotten here.

 

[Zaino]

A boxing type style is good for getting used to flash "knock outs" and continue to fight through it.

Judo will give you skills to throw people as hard as fuck even if you get sucker punched. You can literally wrestle someone if you cant see or hear after a while. You will learn how to choke people out with clothing or your arms, break shoulder and elbow joints.

BJJ is good, but weaker then Judo or MT/boxing IMO, if we are talking about pure self D ability. Being able to dominate someone on the ground is less desirable then slamming them hard as fuck, or striking them in the face.

Boxing works well with Judo because it will give you the ability to incorporate slips and movement to set up your throws/takedowns. Its drawback is you dont want to punch people with a closed fist in the face if your life is on the line. So you should spend some time in a krav type place that can give you some training in open palm striking.

 

[Eldarion]

I made it to green belt in kempo, which I think is a lot like kenpo but incorporated some more stupid shit in it. It was hard to keep up if you didn't do it at least 3 days a week though, and the starting workouts where kind of too much.

 

[Jiujitsu]

Kempo? Karate? Unless you want your opponents to think you never left 1989-sure train.

 

[crackp0t]

Kempo? Karate? Unless you want your opponents to think you never left 1989-sure train.

Jiujitsu the Kung Fu of the 21st century.

 

[rockstar45177]

A boxing type style is good for getting used to flash "knock outs" and continue to fight through it.

Judo will give you skills to throw people as hard as fuck even if you get sucker punched. You can literally wrestle someone if you cant see or hear after a while. You will learn how to choke people out with clothing or your arms, break shoulder and elbow joints.

BJJ is good, but weaker then Judo or MT/boxing IMO, if we are talking about pure self D ability. Being able to dominate someone on the ground is less desirable then slamming them hard as fuck, or striking them in the face.

Boxing works well with Judo because it will give you the ability to incorporate slips and movement to set up your throws/takedowns. Its drawback is you dont want to punch people with a closed fist in the face if your life is on the line. So you should spend some time in a krav type place that can give you some training in open palm striking.

will definitely do some MT or boxing style. Don't know about Judo. Most fights/conflicts end up on the ground. I talked to one of my instructors at the academy ( a 17 year police vet) and he told me all the conflicts he was in always ended up on the ground. But also mentioned good grappling and striking is also good hence the MT/Krav Maga.

I hear you on the Judo i actually learned in my last session how to choke someone out with their own clothing and how to take them down. It was only a practice session but the guy on the bottom I was sparring with actually tapped out because his air lock closed and he could not breath. All I was doing was a simple movement to do it. Judo is defiantly pretty powerful and I am a smaller guy only 5'6 and 145 so Judo would work well for me.

 

[JVHorn88]

I hear you on the Judo i actually learned in my last session how to choke someone out with their own clothing

Only problem is you have to get there underwear off:

but srs, I took Tae Kwon Do when I was younger. There was a fat kid who took jujitsu at my school who was a bully.

Now, I'm not the dumbest kid in the world but I guess my balls were bigger than my brains. Luckily for me, the kid was fat and gassed too easily.

Fight when about like this:

Bully, "Your dumb"
Me, "Your dumber"

Bully executes tackle maneuver.

Me performs sweep kick.

Bully falls down while holding my shirt.

Me performs twist while having ripping shirt technique.

Bully bites my legs.

Me knees bully in face.

Bully gets me on ground and punches me and goes out of breath and just lays on top of me crying.

so obv tkd > jujitsu

 

[kingscotty38]

Jiujitsu the Kung Fu of the 21st century.

Heh, except Jiu Jitsu is proven to work on the highest level of combat sports.

Kung Fu was never proven in combat, the only thing Kung Fu did is was that it typecasted a whole entire race of people in Holywood and still does. When's the last time there's been a decent Asian lead actor who wasn't a fuckin martial artist? Shame really, because there are some sick Asian movies out there which don't involve dickheads kicking each other with powder coming out of there chest whenever they get hit.

I hear you on the Judo i actually learned in my last session how to choke someone out with their own clothing and how to take them down. It was only a practice session but the guy on the bottom I was sparring with actually tapped out because his air lock closed and he could not breath. All I was doing was a simple movement to do it. Judo is defiantly pretty powerful and I am a smaller guy only 5'6 and 145 so Judo would work well for me.

And to the dude above, as a smaller guy, BJJ is the way to go. BJJ uses leverage and technique over strength and power. While Judo uses a lot leverage etc., there is a much higher emphasis on core strength and raw power. Helio Gracie was tapping motherfuckers at 98 years old. Judo is a great martial art but BJJ is a much more complete system.

BJJ teaches collar chokes, self defence etc. shit that you described above, as well as BJJ for sport (MMA and competition) you CANNOT go wrong with BJJ.

 

[kingscotty38]

Oh and I forgot to add,

There is a reason why every single world champion in the UFC does BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU and none of them do Hapkido, TKD, Tang Soo Do Kwan Sho, Tae Bo etc. Sure they might have good techniques here and there, but as for an all round fighting system, they suck. Prove me otherwise if you disagree.

It's because BJJ fucking works, that's why the Gracies started the UFC in the first place. It was an infomercial on how effective BJJ is. It is a no nonsense style, it's efficient, and deadly and they don't hand you a fucking green belt every time you complete your 35th payment.

I'm biased but Boxing one of the best styles you can learn on the street for a stand-up style because you are most likely going to be throwing hands in a volatile situation. In real hardcore boxing gyms, sparring sessions are pretty much like fights and if you do that 3x a week. You will get used to getting hit, stopping hits and giving hits, your ego will get broken down day in and day out.

I find that the most skillful fighters I know, are the ones who are most likely to walk away if shit hits the fan, because they're egos are broken down and tested day in and day out at the gym.

If you can find a legit Israeli Krav Maga school, then they're self defense is top fucking notch. Probably the best street fighting system outside of firearms, knives and weapons.

 

[charlesmartel]

Oh and I forgot to add,

There is a reason why every single world champion in the UFC does BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU and none of them do Hapkido, TKD, Tang Soo Do Kwan Sho, Tae Bo etc. Sure they might have good techniques here and there, but as for an all round fighting system, they suck. Prove me otherwise if you disagree.

It's because BJJ fucking works, that's why the Gracies started the UFC in the first place. It was an infomercial on how effective BJJ is. It is a no nonsense style, it's efficient, and deadly and they don't hand you a fucking green belt every time you complete your 35th payment.

I'm biased but Boxing one of the best styles you can learn on the street for a stand-up style because you are most likely going to be throwing hands in a volatile situation. In real hardcore boxing gyms, sparring sessions are pretty much like fights and if you do that 3x a week. You will get used to getting hit, stopping hits and giving hits, your ego will get broken down day in and day out.

I find that the most skillful fighters I know, are the ones who are most likely to walk away if shit hits the fan, because they're egos are broken down and tested day in and day out at the gym.

If you can find a legit Israeli Krav Maga school, then they're self defense is top fucking notch. Probably the best street fighting system outside of firearms, knives and weapons.

This guy isn't too far from my place. Any thoughts?

Cobrinha Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu & Fitness | Los Angeles Premiere BJJ school

 

[gseki]

Oh and I forgot to add,

There is a reason why every single world champion in the UFC does BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU and none of them do Hapkido, TKD, Tang Soo Do Kwan Sho, Tae Bo etc. Sure they might have good techniques here and there, but as for an all round fighting system, they suck. Prove me otherwise if you disagree.

It's because BJJ fucking works, that's why the Gracies started the UFC in the first place. It was an infomercial on how effective BJJ is. It is a no nonsense style, it's efficient, and deadly and they don't hand you a fucking green belt every time you complete your 35th payment.

I'm biased but Boxing one of the best styles you can learn on the street for a stand-up style because you are most likely going to be throwing hands in a volatile situation. In real hardcore boxing gyms, sparring sessions are pretty much like fights and if you do that 3x a week. You will get used to getting hit, stopping hits and giving hits, your ego will get broken down day in and day out.

I find that the most skillful fighters I know, are the ones who are most likely to walk away if shit hits the fan, because they're egos are broken down and tested day in and day out at the gym.

If you can find a legit Israeli Krav Maga school, then they're self defense is top fucking notch. Probably the best street fighting system outside of firearms, knives and weapons.

+1 boxing is legit as fuck. I joined a "fight club" a couple of years back and quit because it was too hardcore (broke my nose, bruised ribs and I came to the conclusion that I might need my brain to be Parkinson's free to make moniez online). Kali is also legit as fuck. They're pretty good with knives. I believe the US military teaches kali/pekiti terisia(sp?) because it's pretty effective.

 

[Suspect Device]

I did boxing for couple of years, and still do. And I have had fights on street as well.

Yeah, all MMA top fighters have background in BJJ and whatnot. But then again, you must remember that MMA and most other fighting sports are, well a sport.

Lying on the ground during a street-fight, is a fucked up situation to be in. You never know when a buddy of his can "sucker kick" you in the head.

On the street nobody will stand infront of you, and wait while another guy announces that the fight has started. The agressor will always use his advantages over you (dark street, jumping from behind, sucker punch, using a weapon, etc). When you respond to an agressor, you're fighting on his terms, not yours. There is no "ring", there are no points, no refs, nothing. Just you and the agressor, fighting on his terms. If you have the chance to run, then just motherfuckin run. If you're with a GF or other person that might get hurt because of you fleeing, or your life is in danger, well that's another story, and be my guest to break that fucker's skull.

You must also remember, if you go to court for giving too much damage, understand that street fighting and self defence are two different animals. Self defence means that you have to get out of the "clusterfuck" situation as fast as possible. Kick in the balls and run - that is self defence.

Kneeing the "enemy" after you have punched him 3 times in the face and solar plexus is street fighting. I don't know how it is in US or any other country - you must look at laws, or speak to a lawyer about that. But yeah - don't mix streetfighting and self-defence those are two different things. And if you did "too much" of self-defence, you can be classified as the agressor, even if the guy pushed you first.

Oh, and, well atleast in my country, if you use the term "self defence" to cops or in court, you just basically screwed yourself. Because when you mention "self defence", you are now in a position where you have to proove yourself that it was justified to use force to defend yourself. It is a very tight line between self defence and street-fighting.

Be careful when you do that.

And all the talk about "BJJ vs Boxing", etc. It doesn't matter that much. It mostly depends on the person. You can't say Thai-box is better than kickbox because you saw a thai-boxer knocked out a kickboxer. It depends on the person.

My two cents - ANY training will help. You just have learn to cope with "fight or flight" response. Also when you're training, you mostly don't get the "real" adrenaline rush that you get on the street, and adrenaline rush is a real bitch. Get some training, and learn to keep your mind as calm as possible.

BTW, why Jap samurais samurais where so fucking cool? One of their keys was that they were able to keep calm during the whole clusterfuck that was happing in the battle.

Learn to control yourself, know when someone is provocating you, and use your brain more often than fists.

Almost all streetfights start because someone hurt someone's ego. Of course, real attacks happen (thugs, robbers and such), but you can avoid almost all fights if you don't fuck over someone's ego, and stay calm when someone else calls you a "pussy". You got to learn to recognize that. Don't allow the ego to take over your common sense.

Been there, done that.

Shiiiittttt.... this was a long one.

 

[Suspect Device]

^ Ahhh some typos, sorry about that. The "edit post" period ran out.

 

[danke]

Seven years Krav Maga, did BJJ for five years before Zuffa bought UFC. Toyed with joining the Army to try and get into Ranger School. Ended up getting into college on a full ride instead. Sort of regret it... Meh

Now I just keep two swords and a 9mm in my house. You outgrow getting punched in the face at some point and if I'm getting into a fight anymore it's to kill you. Otherwise I'm just walking away, I'm done showing who has the biggest balls.

Come at me bro

LMAO

Here's how I'd recommend taking up martial arts:

Discipline? Some sort of Kung Fu or even Tai Chi
Self Defense? Krav Maga + Gun
Fitness? Kickboxing or Muay Thai

When it doubt run, when you can't run: draw a weapon.

 

[avatar33]

And all the talk about "BJJ vs Boxing", etc. It doesn't matter that much. It mostly depends on the person. You can't say Thai-box is better than kickbox because you saw a thai-boxer knocked out a kickboxer. It depends on the person.

My two cents - ANY training will help. You just have learn to cope with "fight or flight" response. Also when you're training, you mostly don't get the "real" adrenaline rush that you get on the street, and adrenaline rush is a real bitch. Get some training, and learn to keep your mind as calm as possible.

BTW, why Jap samurais samurais where so fucking cool? One of their keys was that they were able to keep calm during the whole clusterfuck that was happing in the battle.

Learn to control yourself, know when someone is provocating you, and use your brain more often than fists.

Almost all streetfights start because someone hurt someone's ego. Of course, real attacks happen (thugs, robbers and such), but you can avoid almost all fights if you don't fuck over someone's ego, and stay calm when someone else calls you a "pussy". You got to learn to recognize that. Don't allow the ego to take over your common sense.

Been there, done that.

Shiiiittttt.... this was a long one.

I TOTALLY agree with everything you said here. Style really doesn't matter when it comes to street fighting. It only matters in MMA because it's a "conrolled" environment where there are rules and both fighters are well trained both physically and mentally.

Now... about ego, let me add this: it's really hard to control (virtually impossible) when girls are involved. That's how most fights start today! Remember this saying: men's biggest weakness is women. (forgot who said it though)

You can be a 36th generation Shaolin monk, have 15 years of intensive yoga training, professional vipassana meditation practice and anything else... you WILL lose your cool if someone insults your girlfriend or if someone insults you near a bunch of girls. It pisses me off that we simply CANNOT control our primal instincts. Impossible. I've tried. We're animals.

What pisses me off the most is that now I see that girls are also becoming more and more violent too. Often times in bars you see girls starting fights and then encouraging their BF to kick the guy's ass. It's really sad when as a girl you should quickly try to calm everyone down and walk away. Honestly a couple weeks ago I was at this bar and there was a big fight between a bunch of guys outside, and their girlfriends were watching and cheering! Thank god the police came because honestly it was getting real ugly and some guy had just picked up a rock and was about to smash someone's head in.

If you really want to live a ZEN life, avoid bars, avoid big cities and ideally go live on top of a mountain away from everybody. Seriously. Society is fucked up.