Al-qaeda vs US torture methods
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don't forget us playing metallica to those murderous bastards or giving them a playboy...that's some real torture
Point taken. Al-qaeda's methods are far far worse than ours. But I think it is important to ask whether or not it is effective or even necessary to torture prisoners who have haven't even been on trial and many who are essentially just suspects.
Another thing, would our founding fathers have agreed to the use of torture against our enemies? apparently George Washington wouldn't, he was strongly against the use of torture on british prisoners during the american revolution.
Treat them with humanity, and Let them have no reason to Complain of our Copying the brutal example of the British army in their Treatment of our unfortunate brethren.---General George Washington
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=dcGGvZpeEnhgPCp2PwTGAy%3D%3D
Another thing, would our founding fathers have agreed to the use of torture against our enemies? apparently George Washington wouldn't, he was strongly against the use of torture on british prisoners during the american revolution.
Treat them with humanity, and Let them have no reason to Complain of our Copying the brutal example of the British army in their Treatment of our unfortunate brethren.---General George Washington
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=dcGGvZpeEnhgPCp2PwTGAy%3D%3D
we had a nice war on terror going in afghanistan..but oh how our leaders quickly forgot about that little place. -_-
and I have no idea how our administration can claim they are somehow magically protecting us from terrorism by fighting in Iraq when last I checked:
1. it only took 19 well trained terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11
2. our borders are wide open.
3. nearly half a million illegals cross the border every year, why couldn't 19 more al-qaeda slip through the cracks just as easily?
I just can't take our politicians seriously when it comes to national security and those glaring holes.
i hope you're not referring to the great bill clinton who bombed an aspirin factory there when he had to testify regarding monica and then cut and ran? no knocking the clintons! anyways you can have the last word cause we're not going to change each other's mind and i'd rather do something more productive like finishing tweaking a new website. :rasta:
I wasn't just referring to clinton, don't you remember Operation Enduring Freedom right after the september 11th attacks? When we were a few moves away from capturing/killing bin laden at Tora Bora?
don't get me wrong, just because I criticize the Bush admin doesn't make me a Clinton worshipper. I will critique anyone in office not doing the right thing. I don't care if you are a Dem or Rep.
No, it's not important to ask that. Because you'll never have a real answer.
For any private US citizen to actually think they know HALF of what has been learned from terror suspect interrogations is beyond naive. You really think that some civilian is going to get to the bottom of this discussion, despite the best efforts of the CIA, NSA, Dept of Homeland Security, etc. to keep a lid on these things? You think we hear about each and every terror plot that gets foiled? You think they're on the level with us about where the intel comes from that busts these terror cells? You think we know about the military operations, successful or otherwise, that take place as a result of info gathered from these suspects?
I think these drawings should be shown on every news network day in and day out.. just like the pictures those poor terror suspects at Gitmo who were forced to have their picture taken while some ugly army chick pointed at their balls. Oh the humanity! Call the ACLU! But we won't see these broadcast all over the news because it doesn't fit the agenda that's been being built for the past two years.
Screw their civil liberties, screw the Geneva conventions, screw these bullshit numbers about "600,000 INNOCENT IRAQI'S DEAD OH NOS!!11". And screw the politicians who are neglecting our border security because they're afraid of losing votes from the growing spanish-speaking population in the US. You are absolutely right that they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to national security.
Jesus. I was always under the impression that we were the "good guys", and I was also under the impression that "good guys" don't torture.
But, I'll bite. Whether you find it morally acceptable or not is irrelevent regardless, no matter how many contrived BS "24-ish" scenarios Brit Hume can come up with because.... wait for it.... IT DOESN'T WORK.
Morally Repugnant + the whole "completely doesn't work" thing seals the deal for me. I categorically oppose "enhanced interrogation techniques". Such a cute way to describe driving nails under fingernails.
But, I'll bite. Whether you find it morally acceptable or not is irrelevent regardless, no matter how many contrived BS "24-ish" scenarios Brit Hume can come up with because.... wait for it.... IT DOESN'T WORK.
Morally Repugnant + the whole "completely doesn't work" thing seals the deal for me. I categorically oppose "enhanced interrogation techniques". Such a cute way to describe driving nails under fingernails.
Al-qaeda also does:
- dragging behind cars
- eye removal
- blowtorch to the skin
- suspension from the ceiling and then electrocution
- breaking limbs and restricting breath
- binding and beating
- suspending and whipping
- clothes iron to the skin
- victim's head in a vice
They're a full service grisly torture shop.
- dragging behind cars
- eye removal
- blowtorch to the skin
- suspension from the ceiling and then electrocution
- breaking limbs and restricting breath
- binding and beating
- suspending and whipping
- clothes iron to the skin
- victim's head in a vice
They're a full service grisly torture shop.
I've got loads to say... but must work. So very quickly....
It seems that the two main parties in the US and pretty much the same, some leaders might be more subtle with their methods - but none of them are angelic, the big companies seem to pull the strings with any leader. (Near enough the same here too.)
The OP seems to be posting from a very biased viewpoint. Here's a better example of US torture:
It's worth being in mind that if the Islamic extremist groups had access to massive armies and laser guided bombs they would undoubtedly use them. They don't, so they use what they have available... Unfortunately, that is often brainwashing kids into blowing themselves up.
It seems that the two main parties in the US and pretty much the same, some leaders might be more subtle with their methods - but none of them are angelic, the big companies seem to pull the strings with any leader. (Near enough the same here too.)
The OP seems to be posting from a very biased viewpoint. Here's a better example of US torture:
It's worth being in mind that if the Islamic extremist groups had access to massive armies and laser guided bombs they would undoubtedly use them. They don't, so they use what they have available... Unfortunately, that is often brainwashing kids into blowing themselves up.
I'm surprised people can have an intellectual argument about this sort of thing. If you want to know whether something is right or wrong, just imagine if it were being done to you or someone dear to you.
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