dawkins ftw
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Go team!
Dawkins has some serious patience. I could never pull off such a change... My official argument to creationists would be:
"I'm sorry, you're already a lost cause because you were taught intelligent design, and you clearly don't have the mental capacity to understand why it's important to teach evolution. Can you direct me to someone with more intelligence than you to speak with?"
Dawkins has some serious patience. I could never pull off such a change... My official argument to creationists would be:
"I'm sorry, you're already a lost cause because you were taught intelligent design, and you clearly don't have the mental capacity to understand why it's important to teach evolution. Can you direct me to someone with more intelligence than you to speak with?"
It's amazing what get's through and what doesn't.
What is Dawkins fighting against / for exactly. Surly if a person has any rights at all it's to choose the values which they give to their children. This isn't even a property right so the state surly isn't that interested in taking it?
It's not right that a small group of people decide for the rest, if people don't want their children being taught creationism they simply don't send them to that school. If things must be state funded then at least it should be done based on an imaginary market place and if the service a school provides is unwanted it'll fail. The fact these schools exist suggests it's not the case.
I love how all the haughty anti religious types shout so loud against people who are doing nothing more than following their beliefs - because these beliefs contradict with their oh so superior views - there must be a picture of Dick Dawkins next to irony in the dictionary.
Even if your views are proven to be 100% right by science that doesn't give you the right to enforce them on someone else. Being a stupid idiot doesn't bar you from having your own beliefs.
God, (pun intended) it's hilarious to see LukeP posting 300 times a day about the virtues of libertarianism and anti statism and then completely miss the point.
Freedom for all - as long as it's the freedom I believe in!
inb4 I get accused of being an offended Christian - this isn't the case.
What is Dawkins fighting against / for exactly. Surly if a person has any rights at all it's to choose the values which they give to their children. This isn't even a property right so the state surly isn't that interested in taking it?
It's not right that a small group of people decide for the rest, if people don't want their children being taught creationism they simply don't send them to that school. If things must be state funded then at least it should be done based on an imaginary market place and if the service a school provides is unwanted it'll fail. The fact these schools exist suggests it's not the case.
I love how all the haughty anti religious types shout so loud against people who are doing nothing more than following their beliefs - because these beliefs contradict with their oh so superior views - there must be a picture of Dick Dawkins next to irony in the dictionary.
Even if your views are proven to be 100% right by science that doesn't give you the right to enforce them on someone else. Being a stupid idiot doesn't bar you from having your own beliefs.
God, (pun intended) it's hilarious to see LukeP posting 300 times a day about the virtues of libertarianism and anti statism and then completely miss the point.
Freedom for all - as long as it's the freedom I believe in!
inb4 I get accused of being an offended Christian - this isn't the case.
The way I see it, the point of a school is to develop a well rounded adult that integrates well into society. Being taught lies doesn't work towards that goal. I think creationism should be discussed in RS lessons, but not taught as fact. Children need to be able to think rationally to do well in the modern world, so they should be able to logically discuss different ideas.
Dear Moron Dickler,
Try reading the fucking article.
If you had the reading comprehension skills claimed by the average kindergartner, you would have noticed that Dawkins victory here was NOT that he got Evolution taught in school, but like your own speel, he got ID NOT taught as FACT in said schools.
Now go dickroll yourself 50 times as penance for this sad post above.
Try reading the fucking article.
If you had the reading comprehension skills claimed by the average kindergartner, you would have noticed that Dawkins victory here was NOT that he got Evolution taught in school, but like your own speel, he got ID NOT taught as FACT in said schools.
Now go dickroll yourself 50 times as penance for this sad post above.
And I agree with that 100% but it doesn't mean I should be able to force it onto another person.
I figured that would rouse you but I expected far more than a personal insult?
You're slipping and my response was not targeted towards the article.
+1 for what lukep said.
Most importantly he got it out of science class. I've honestly never heard an ID lecture but I cant imagine it has any actual science in it. At least nothing that belongs in a textbook or in a state funded program. It's nothing more than a political vice pushing an agenda.
Clearly the people pushing ID in schools aren't concerned with actually improving education. If they were they'd be pushing to bring back lessons around some of the most important events in human history such as the Great Schism and the Christian Crusades. Which kids need to actually learn about, not on some desperately fabricated pseudoscience.
I'm pretty sure I went through my entire k12 education without hearing the word Quaker once. Yet it was kind of a big part of our American history. Wtf is wrong with these people. Leave science class alone and improve some history classes.
Most importantly he got it out of science class. I've honestly never heard an ID lecture but I cant imagine it has any actual science in it. At least nothing that belongs in a textbook or in a state funded program. It's nothing more than a political vice pushing an agenda.
Clearly the people pushing ID in schools aren't concerned with actually improving education. If they were they'd be pushing to bring back lessons around some of the most important events in human history such as the Great Schism and the Christian Crusades. Which kids need to actually learn about, not on some desperately fabricated pseudoscience.
I'm pretty sure I went through my entire k12 education without hearing the word Quaker once. Yet it was kind of a big part of our American history. Wtf is wrong with these people. Leave science class alone and improve some history classes.
Nope, not satisfactory. You're not getting out of this megafail so easily!
For the record, here's what just went down ITT:
1. Matt posted article stating a Victory for Dawkins. This victory was clearly spelled out by Dawkins doing a very Libertarian thing by stopping tax money going toward teaching Intelligent design in schools.
2. You make a sad, childish assumption that Dawkins' Victory must be by forcing Evolution on some school, EXACTLY the opposite of the facts given...
3. Then you make a big fuss here about how he's doing something I would be against due to my libertarian ideals.
4. I call you out on it.
5. You FURTHER don't read the article after being called out on it...
6. You respond to Matt's later response showing that you still think that Dawkins has somehow forced evolution onto others... (!)
7. Then you sadly say that I'm "slipping" and your "response was not targeted towards the article," as if that would help you out at all in your defense.
8. A worldwide, collective chuckle of WF member ensues at your expense.
Seriously dickler, Man the fuck up and read that tiny article! Otherwise you're going to keep making the same sad assumption over and over again.
That's pretty good news (the article) and makes a lot of sense...
Dawkins is simply trying to get things to be normal.
As for Atheism, I do not think that Atheists want to force change on anyone, I think it was the great Christopher Hitchens who said "believe whatever you want, just leave me (and everyone else) out of it"
Dawkins is simply trying to get things to be normal.
As for Atheism, I do not think that Atheists want to force change on anyone, I think it was the great Christopher Hitchens who said "believe whatever you want, just leave me (and everyone else) out of it"
he's fighting against the claim that beliefs in the supernatural are valid scientific ideas.
they are not. those ideas operate outside the realm of the real, testable, evidence-based world of science. want to learn ID/Creationism/et al? go discuss it in a religion or philosophy class.
This isnt forcing anything upon anyone Diggler, Evolution is ALREADY taught in schools anyway.
The entire point of the article is that Intelligent Design can no longer be taught as Scientific fact. When kids go to science class, they should be taught science, not some garbage that has no scientific background to it whatsoever.
Funding is being withdrawn for those wishing to teach ID as fact, so your tax money will no longer go towards teaching kids fairy tails... unless thats what you want in your 'free' society is it?.... Freedom to me is being told the truth - not being lied to.
If they want to teach ID they can do it in religious education, or some other class, but they can keep it the hell out of the science class as it has no basis to be there.
The entire point of the article is that Intelligent Design can no longer be taught as Scientific fact. When kids go to science class, they should be taught science, not some garbage that has no scientific background to it whatsoever.
Funding is being withdrawn for those wishing to teach ID as fact, so your tax money will no longer go towards teaching kids fairy tails... unless thats what you want in your 'free' society is it?.... Freedom to me is being told the truth - not being lied to.
If they want to teach ID they can do it in religious education, or some other class, but they can keep it the hell out of the science class as it has no basis to be there.
d_diggler is a fucking idiot and can't be reasoned with. The world works a lot easier when one realizes that certain people just can't be convinced with reason and logic. It's a waste of time arguing with a person or persons who simply believe what they want to rather than what is fact.
OK, let me put this another way - and again my comments above are not related to the article directly as I've stated.
(These aren't my personal views but to show the point)
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Let's assume that I'm forced to pay tax which is used for a state education program and that I cannot afford private schooling on top of this for my children. My only option is to send my child to a state school and the Government dictates what they may and may not teach.
The article says does it not that said school cannot teach creationism as fact. (Again for the fucktards I'm not suggesting it is just making my point.)
Although I agree completly with evolution and certainly don't think there is a God (also male, think Gandalf the white style sitting on a cloud) science cannot explain the initial spark that started life but my religion suggests it was started by a greater power and I'm going with this, and that's what I want my children taught because I can't see any evil coming of it.
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I don't see that a person should be stripped of this right anymore than any other right.
Because my argument was that creationism is true and should be forced upon everyone?
Can you just quote me on that one.
