Next big thing in mobile (hint: not mobile)

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The next big thing in mobile is actually really hard to move. Designing for TV | Android Developers was recently updated, and news is buzzing with rumours about LG, Samsung, Sony, and Vizio bringing Android to the bigscreens, like LG’s Google TV could come as soon as this week | Android Community

I came to the Android party pretty late for a tech guy, but can't imagine life without my sl101 and epic 4g, and not only am I thinking mobile apps, now I'm thinking 55" apps and games. If the BT stack is up to par Google might turn out to be the unexpected killer of gaming consoles. The convergence is in progress, next stop is the desktop.
 


wow wtf is Microsoft's site on a 2010 theme or what? no wonder they will be irrelevant in 10 years.
 
Eh, I could see it killing off consoles, but I don't know how much I would like Android fucking up my TV if I had a TV. The only thing keeping me from gaming on my phone is the lack of a decent bluetooth controller. I believe a PS3 one might work and then there is a sexy kickstarter going on that is probably 50% vaporware.

I like watching TV because it's easy. Assuming, Android on TV or any of these other TV devices are easy to use, then I would probably enjoy getting one. As soon as I have to root my box and then have the "TV" app crash in the middle of a show, I'm going to be frustrated.

If I watched more TV I would consider getting a Roku, as I've heard literally nothing but good things about them.

It's worth noting that I didn't actually read the links at all, I'm just replying with what has been on my mind lately, which is actually a paraphrasing of osme other arguments I found some where else.
 
I have an appleTV box and at the moment it doesn't have downloadable apps, but a few built in ones. However, after their recent os update, I can see them heading in that direction. I think apps for TV, browsing the web, facebook, etc on your TV is the next logical step. This convergence has been a long time in the works and I think the technology and customer mindset is finally ready for it.
I don't think there's a need to root your TV like blank_czech talks about though. My Samsung SmartTV has wireless internet connection and already has a ton of apps that you can download.
JCash has an excellent point. Designing apps in 1080p will definitely a niche to start getting into. TV , phones, and computers are all starting to become interchangeable

Netflix, Pandora, Facebook are already common place on most BR/DVD players and the newer TV's. It's just the beginning

JCash said:
The convergence is in progress, next stop is the desktop.
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It's already happening too. AppleTV can already stream my music and movies from iTunes on my computer and my TV can tap into all of my computers and NAS drives on my network to pull photos and movies.
 
The real good stuff is in labs right now. I'm surprised that more of this stuff isnt getting out in public... its expensive to make in low numbers but still.. like

a screen thin as paper is, mechanical flying birds..


smart phones dont seem to have enough power as a console now.. if you hooked it up to a 55 inch..

also in the lab are very fast processors... i mean incredible chips.. it would be nice to see some of this stuff made.. just to show off what might happen to the masses..

they do this with cars.. some prototype cars cost more then 1 million.
 
ThisWebThing said:
smart phones dont seem to have enough power as a console now.. if you hooked it up to a 55 inch..
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The phones aren't console killers. The tablets are precursors to console killers. Nvidia's tegra3 is about between a ps2 and xbox360 in gaming performance (the GTA3 port is pretty impressive) with 1080p via the hdmi interface. An Android TV with Geforce on board makes Angry Birds and Words with Friends big and pretty, while keeping the status bar busy with your gmails and social network updates, and whatever cable channel jabbering in the PiP.
 
ItsYoBuddy said:
How would you use/play the apps, by a special remote they make?
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Or your phone/tablet/computer. One bluetooth controller should be compatible with all your X devices. So you should really just need to carry that + the device around. OnLive is probably going to make a splash here as you'd just need their controller and you could play on your phone, tablet, TV, and computer with just a decently fast Internet connection.

Obviously input lag + internet is going to be a little bit of a problem for some games, but realistically it's a non issue for the vast majority of gamers. Some games have up to 150ms of input lag (according to Carmak) and then you throw shoddy wireless on top of that, and you can easily have a quarter second of lag to deal with which breaks immersion.

With regards to rooting, it'd mostly be to have a little bit more control and fiddle around. I don't think it would be a necessity.
 
I'm a strong believer in the death of traditional TV as we have it now. It's extremely outdated. Traditional meaning watching paid programming through subscription based satellite/cable.

The only time I ever feel the need to watch TV through a traditional means is to watch hockey. Other than that, the internet has me covered.

I have an unlimited Usenet subscription which I take advantage of by using SickBeard to allow for automated, on time downloading of all my TV shows (Mad Men, Community, Shark Tank, Californication, Game of Thrones, Dexter), and CouchPotato does the same for movies. Every night SickBeard checks for new episodes of my shows in my specified quality.

If it finds a new episode, it's automatically downloaded. No commercial breaks, no service outages, and no cable bill. The only weapon cable companies have to combat this extremely flexible system is an under-powered PVR with unbelievably unusable software.

The more people who realize the ridiculousness of paying $xxx/month for a bulk dump of channels which remain 80%-90% unwatched, the faster TV will finally join the rest of us in 2012. The bottleneck is throttling ISPs with restrictive bandwidth, and the obviously restrictive cable companies who aren't going to want to roll over.

If I wasn't a sports fan, I wouldn't be able to think of many reasons why I should have a dumb TV in my living room instead of an HTPC with a large monitor in its place.
 
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That would be pretty cool to use your tablet, phone, or like you said a wii remote type of controller.

JCash said:
The phones aren't console killers. The tablets are precursors to console killers. Nvidia's tegra3 is about between a ps2 and xbox360 in gaming performance (the GTA3 port is pretty impressive) with 1080p via the hdmi interface. An Android TV with Geforce on board makes Angry Birds and Words with Friends big and pretty, while keeping the status bar busy with your gmails and social network updates, and whatever cable channel jabbering in the PiP.
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Just watched the video on youtube and GTA 3 did look pretty good. I was never a fan of getting a tablet or what not. I never understood what was so great about them but since everyone is doing it I might have to get me one. Damn you peer pressure!
 
Staccs said:
If I wasn't a sports fan, I wouldn't be able to think of many reasons why I should have a dumb TV in my living room instead of an HTPC with a large monitor in its place.
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Article in last week's Businessweek talking specifically about the impact ESPN and Regional Sports Networks have on premium TV subscription rates. If sports were offered a la carte, they predict that the price would quadruple, because most people wouldn't be willing to pay for sports. I use a DLNA TV and use Serviio to watch downloaded shows and to stream shows from Hulu for free. Once an ESPN3 plugin comes out for Serviio, it will be nearly perfect.
 
ItsYoBuddy said:
That would be pretty cool to use your tablet, phone, or like you said a wii remote type of controller.



Just watched the video on youtube and GTA 3 did look pretty good. I was never a fan of getting a tablet or what not. I never understood what was so great about them but since everyone is doing it I might have to get me one. Damn you peer pressure!
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Hippo remote for my iPhone and iPad let me control the cursor on my laptop that I connect to my tv. Eliminated the need for a wireless keyboard. Just use the one on the phone/ tablet

Regarding lag time, I do see some when Mirroring my iPhone onto my AppleTV. I'm sure it would be moreso with gaming, but I'm sure the technology will catch up and overcome the current limitations
 
So your saying replace more powerful technology with a phone? I don't see it happening that way at all. at least not hooking up your phone to do that shit. The next generation consoles will probably do everything you just said and more. I don't see it happening with a phone. Tablet, maybe, but it would just be adding another "entertainment console" when in reality a next gen console could do fill those needs easily and everything will be in one package.
 
erifdekciw said:
So your saying replace more powerful technology with a phone? I don't see it happening that way at all. at least not hooking up your phone to do that shit. The next generation consoles will probably do everything you just said and more. I don't see it happening with a phone. Tablet, maybe, but it would just be adding another "entertainment console" when in reality a next gen console could do fill those needs easily and everything will be in one package.
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I think the phone/tablet in conjunction with the next gen consoles. Not replacing.
 
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