brazil is good for those will lots of $$$$$$$ in their pockets to abuse the system by feeding their $$$$$ because majority is without $$$$$$
Brazil and the Spirit of Liberty [Article]
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What's truly bizarre to me is your double standard of how you think people suppose to conduct themselves on message boards. If someone posted an article praising Obama's health care plan, it would be natural for people to compare and contrast that to other plans or to question points raised in the article. You yourself have done such a thing possibly more than any person on wickedfire, and you do it in a far more aggressive and "rude" manner than Cardine has in here.
note : Brazil's constitution guarantees the state provides health care for all citizens.
Cardine wasn't rude, he's just being obtuse. We're all guilty of that, including me and you.
I do love your obsessive stalking me on the forum btw. Oh big bad Guerilla, he is such a bad person, Boo Hoo Hoo. lol
Can you articulate how preferring one form of government over another (assuming the choice is either/or) excludes someone from being an anarchist?
I haven't been to Brazil, I have only been to Venezuela in South America.
Oddly enough, Brazilian girls like anal more than women from any other country. I didn't read the OP but I'm pretty sure there is a correlation to be found somewhere.
Every "country" except Somalia is laden with bureaucratic restrictions.
The question wasn't, "do you prefer anarchism or bureaucracy" the question was, "which country was better on the pointless and arbitrary Heritage rating system"?
I don't care what the question was. Your reply has nothing to do with my initial reply.
Sure it does. You're claiming I am not representing an anarchist POV, and I am asking you where the contradiction is.
And predictably, you've failed to articulate one.
an·ar·chy [an-er-kee] Show IPA
noun
1.
a state of society without government or law.
2.
political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. Synonyms: lawlessness, disruption, turmoil.
Definition of BUREAUCRACY
1
a : a body of nonelective government officials
b : an administrative policy-making group
2
: government characterized by specialization of functions, adherence to fixed rules, and a hierarchy of authority
3
: a system of administration marked by officialism, red tape, and proliferation
Seems quite simple to me. If you're in favor of something bureaucratic, it is not anarchist.
The question didn't involve a choice of no government but between competing bureaucracies.
Hence, I made a value judgment between two bureaucracies.
Do you understand now?
Wtf are you struggling with?
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Originally Posted by cardine (not you)
If you, as an anarchist, would prefer a country laden with bureaucratic restrictions over one that doesn't (in addition to the tax differences), more power to you.
Wouldn't be an anarchist, then.
How can you be an anarchist while choosing more government regulation over lesser regulation? It's flying in the face of the definition of anarchism.
Brazilian fruit markets may very well be the only free market in the country. And estate taxes might possibly be the only low taxes in Brazil unless you want to set up shop in Manaus, hire indians and float all your shit up the Amazon.
I have partners in Brazil and do business with electric utilities there. I go there every few months.
There are areas where the justice system simply does not function. People steal electricity at will and utility personnel occasionally get their teeth knocked out when they go to inspect their equipment. No recourse. The utilities have no way to collect for energy delivered yet they must deliver it by the terms of their government concession.
Collusion is the norm on most of projects I have been involved with and if I weren't partnered with connected Brazilians that help write the tenders I would have no chance at seeing any business. Someone else would write the tenders and lock me out. This happens in the US and Canada too but at least in my business you have shot up here as an outsider with a better solution.
As you probably know Brazil is also very protectionist. The tax system is insane in that taxes are both very high, very complex and ever changing. If you are on the outside you can't just sell to a company in Brazil and expect to be competitive (in any kind of competitive market). I looked at licensing some IP a while back to get around huge import taxes and/or setting up manufacturing in Brazil and was warned that unless it was structured very carefully the Brazilian licensee could very well have a claim to my IP in 3-5 years. On top of that I was advised that taxes on the royalty stream brought back to the US would be taxed at more than 50%.
I have no idea why a libertarian or anarchist would hold Brazil up as any kind of example (except for maybe the laissez-faire fruit markets or no inheritance taxes). Maybe the country is moving in the right direction and yes all the growth and opportunity there right now it is exciting but fuck there is a lot of bullshit to deal with if you want to do business there.
I have partners in Brazil and do business with electric utilities there. I go there every few months.
There are areas where the justice system simply does not function. People steal electricity at will and utility personnel occasionally get their teeth knocked out when they go to inspect their equipment. No recourse. The utilities have no way to collect for energy delivered yet they must deliver it by the terms of their government concession.
Collusion is the norm on most of projects I have been involved with and if I weren't partnered with connected Brazilians that help write the tenders I would have no chance at seeing any business. Someone else would write the tenders and lock me out. This happens in the US and Canada too but at least in my business you have shot up here as an outsider with a better solution.
As you probably know Brazil is also very protectionist. The tax system is insane in that taxes are both very high, very complex and ever changing. If you are on the outside you can't just sell to a company in Brazil and expect to be competitive (in any kind of competitive market). I looked at licensing some IP a while back to get around huge import taxes and/or setting up manufacturing in Brazil and was warned that unless it was structured very carefully the Brazilian licensee could very well have a claim to my IP in 3-5 years. On top of that I was advised that taxes on the royalty stream brought back to the US would be taxed at more than 50%.
I have no idea why a libertarian or anarchist would hold Brazil up as any kind of example (except for maybe the laissez-faire fruit markets or no inheritance taxes). Maybe the country is moving in the right direction and yes all the growth and opportunity there right now it is exciting but fuck there is a lot of bullshit to deal with if you want to do business there.
Because someone who chooses less government over more government is a minarchist. It's a false choice to an anarchist.
I picked between two false choices based on a simple premise.
If it is going to be me against the state, I want to be able to bribe my way past the state, than have some delusional true believer insisting they can enforce their rules on me.
Brazil's government, by being corrupt, is a lot more honest than say the American government, which is probably just as corrupt, but pretends that it is noble (and the foolish people believe it).
All government is violence. I prefer an attacker who can be bought off.
Ron, thanks for actually responding to the article. I appreciate that.
I know a lot of libertarians who spend time in Brazil, maybe they aren't doing business though. I don't do business in a country, I do business on the internet, so I might not notice the things which you find problematic if I was there.
That was my point from the beginning.
I posted a nice article about the growing liberty movement in Brazil and insight about the inheritance tax, and got jumped by guys accusing me of liking Brazil.
The irony is, they come from one of the premier security (read: fascist) societies in the west, and they are quick to judge the conditions elsewhere, like connoisseurs of fine government, lol.
"Papa Jeeves, have you seen the latest Heritage rankings?"
"I have my Mr. Cardine. Fantastic. Illuminating."
All government is bad. If you read my posts semi-regularly, there would be no doubt in your mind that I am very consistent in that regard.
But again, I prefer a government everyone knows is corrupt (like Brazil) than a government where people are felt up at airports, prohibited from smoking a plant, and have all of their conversations recorded, while thinking they are in the land of the free.
YMMV.
What beginning? I never even replied to you until you quoted me. You took issue with my statement, which was correct, to Cardine and went off on a tangent. Seems as though you thought because you chose one of the two, I was saying that disproves you as an anarchist. Your assumption was wrong.
Edit: I enjoy my man meat being groped at the airport. I am a gay webmaster, after all. Heading to bed, good night all.
Yes, you who comes from Canada, are semi-regularly quick to judge the conditions in the United States, like a connoisseur of higher taxes and government subsidized maple syrup, lol, eh?
