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Garrett said:
I think the #1 reason for violence in the US is directly because of the lucrative drug market. WHY WHY WHY can't the government just legalize drugs and regulate everything already? Doing so would raise huge sums of money that they desperately need, and cut the head off the whole problem for violence in the first place - gang warfare.
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Gang or drug dealer violence is a relatively small percent of US violence. The majority of homicides are between "friends" and family members.

As for legalization, it wasn't really that many years ago when only like 20% of the US public favored it for marijuana, forget about hard drugs. Now for pot it is around 50%, but it is still the older people who do most of the voting.

And yes, the prison system is huge and probably does things to try to make the public afraid of legalization. And :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLJtkxPC6I&]The CIA and Crack Cocaine - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6VYd1gpiNk]CIA Corruption - CIA Drug Trafficking - YouTube[/ame]
 


cougarclaws said:
^re: 2nd video

so that's it? They just froze the broadcast on him?
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oops, it look the rest of him talking is at :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk&]Former LA Police Officer Mike Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch on Drug Trafficking - YouTube[/ame]



this is interesting, also :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_UbAmRGSYw]"CIA are drug smugglers." - Federal Judge Bonner, head of DEA- You don't get better proof than this - YouTube[/ame]
 
The Right of Self Defense

Libertarians agree with the majority of Americans who believe they have the right to decide how best to protect themselves, their families and their property. Millions of Americans have guns in their homes and sleep more comfortably because of it. Studies show that where gun ownership is illegal, residential burglaries are higher. A man with a gun in his home is no threat to you if you aren't breaking into it.

The police do not provide security in your home, your business or the street. They show up after the crime to take reports and do detective work. The poorer the neighborhood, the riskier it is for peaceful residents.

Only an armed citizenry can be present in sufficient numbers to prevent or deter violent crime before it starts, or to reduce its spread. Interviews with convicted felons indicate that fear of the armed citizen significantly deters crime. A criminal is more likely to be driven off from a particular crime by an armed victim than to be convicted and imprisoned for it. Thus, widespread gun ownership will make neighborhoods safer.

Foolish politicians and police now seek to ban semi-automatic "assault rifles". They ignore the fact that only honest citizens will comply; criminals will still have them. Such a ban will only increase the criminals' ability to victimize the innocent.

Personal Responsibility

Guns are not the problem. They are inanimate objects. Gun control advocates talk as if guns could act on their own, as if human beings cannot control them, so the uncontrollable guns must be banished.

Let us put the responsibility where it belongs, on the owner and user of the gun. If he or she acts responsibly, without attacking others or causing injury negligently, no crime or harm has been done. Leave them in peace. But, if a person commits a crime with a gun, then impose the severest penalties for the injuries done to the victim. Similarly, hold the negligent gun user fully liable for all harm his negligence does to others.

Rather than banning guns, the politicians and the police should encourage gun ownership, as well as education and training programs. A responsible, well-armed and trained citizenry is the best protection against domestic crime and the threat of foreign invasion. America's founders knew that. It is still true today.
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Moxie said:
Gang or drug dealer violence is a relatively small percent of US violence. The majority of homicides are between "friends" and family members.
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interadasting. I didn't know that. After a few Google searches I get some conflicting statistics.

Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. -FBI
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Are gangs responsible for the majority of homicides and violence in our communities?

The largest figure of gang involvemeent in homicides is 50%. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) cites that half of the homicides in the country are committed by gangs. But many other sources have not been able to verify this. Most law enforcement records that I reviewed point to about 10 to 20% gang participation in our nation's homicides. A majority of homicides are committed by individuals acting alone. -source
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Regardless, 15-20% is a pretty huge chunk considering the rest can't be lumped into any group whatsoever.


Moxie said:
As for legalization, it wasn't really that many years ago when only like 20% of the US public favored it for marijuana, forget about hard drugs. Now for pot it is around 50%, but it is still the older people who do most of the voting.

And yes, the prison system is huge and probably does things to try to make the public afraid of legalization.
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I'm confident drugs will be legalized someday and all this gang faggotry will decrease, probably when the current generation dies and Generation-Y takes their spot in government.
 
Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. -FBI
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"Street gangs are involved in a host of violent criminal activities, including assault, drug trafficking, extortion, firearms offenses, home invasion robberies, homicide, intimidation, shootings, and weapons trafficking."


They are counting drug and weapons trafficking as violent crime?

Oh wait, this is also the report that classified Juggalos as gang members, lol.

FBI's Newest Gang Threat: Insane Clown Posse Fans | Danger Room | Wired.com

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More fears of violent gang crime = more funding for law enforcement. This report seems biased in favor of making gangs seem like a bigger threat than they are.



The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) cites that half of the homicides in the country are committed by gangs.
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Notice that they don't actually link to any pages on the FBI site.



Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2009

"In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.). The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 43.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2009.

Of the murders for which the circumstance surrounding the murder was known, 41.2 percent of victims were murdered during arguments (including romantic triangles) in 2009. Felony circumstances (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 22.9 percent of murders. Circumstances were unknown for 35.4 percent of reported homicides."
 
Moxie said:
"Street gangs are involved in a host of violent criminal activities, including assault, drug trafficking, extortion, firearms offenses, home invasion robberies, homicide, intimidation, shootings, and weapons trafficking."


They are counting drug and weapons trafficking as violent crime?
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hmm, not sure.

Moxie said:
Oh wait, this is also the report that classified Juggalos as gang members, lol.

FBI's Newest Gang Threat: Insane Clown Posse Fans | Danger Room | Wired.com

kcrtvjuggalostory-400x281.jpg


More fears of violent gang crime = more funding for law enforcement. This report seems biased in favor of making gangs seem like a bigger threat than they are.
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LMAOOOO! I lol'd when I saw the 3rd bullet point :D




Moxie said:
Notice that they don't actually link to any pages on the FBI site.



Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2009

"In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.). The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 43.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2009.

Of the murders for which the circumstance surrounding the murder was known, 41.2 percent of victims were murdered during arguments (including romantic triangles) in 2009. Felony circumstances (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 22.9 percent of murders. Circumstances were unknown for 35.4 percent of reported homicides."
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25% of people who are killed are done so by their own family members?! My mind is officially blown. That is fricken' mind boggling. Guess I was wrong, which is usually the case :D

It kinda reminds me of a documentary on stress that I watched a couple weeks ago. Apparently baboons are fantastic subjects to study because they are so similar to us humans, but with no money and the shit that us humans have. But I remember them talking about how baboons basically terrorize each other, for pretty much no reason whatsoever, just because they don't have much else to really do. I guess we really aren't much different than our monkey cousins. Shit is cray
 
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Benji49 said:
PJ Media » Media Underplays Successful Defensive Gun Use

I think this link is relevant to this thread.
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A quote from the linked piece:

One of the heroic students, Tracy Bridges, “carefully described to over 50 reporters what had happened, explaining how he had to point his gun at the attacker and yell at him to drop his gun.” Yet the vast majority of stories omitted the fact that Gross and Bridges used their guns to stop the killer.

What accounts for this omission? According to Lott, some of the reporters cited “space constraints.” Others claimed they didn’t know that Bridges and Gross were armed. Associated Press media relations manager Jack Stokes denied any anti-gun reporting bias. However, he did admit that when he learned how Gross and Bridges stopped Odighizuwa, he was “shocked,” and thought to himself:

'My God, they’re putting into jeopardy even more people by bringing out these guns.'
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In a 2012 paper for the Cato Institute, PJ Media contributor Clayton Cramer and colleague David Burnett observe that:

Many people support gun control regulations because they are convinced that the average citizen is either incapable of using a gun in self-defense or will use the gun in a fit of anger over some petty matter. Those assumptions are false.
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Here are other incidents involving armed citizens foiling crimes and protecting others that went largely unreported (also by Lott):

Media Bias About Guns by John R. Lott, Jr.
 
lschmidt said:
He also had on a helmet and neck protector. He had military grade FULL body armor. Like in video games.
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Wow, you still don't seem to understand. Please, go take a shot to the chest with body armor on. See how it feels. See how hard it is to keep going at the same rate you were. See if you break a few ribs and have the wind knocked out of you so hard you can't stand up.

subigo said:
No, like the 488 people who stepped right out and went home. If you're one of the first people he opened fire on, you were fucked either way. It wouldn't have mattered if you were playing cowboy with your six-shooter that night or not. But assuming you weren't unlucky enough to be one of the first, yes, I'd walk out... while throwing babies and old ladies on the ground as I made my way to the door.
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Newsflash: Self absorbed neckbeard acts like self absorbed neckbeard. He was able to injure or kill over 60 people. There was time to stop him and prevent it from getting that high. Don't you have a shitty hosting company to whine about anyway?
 
tygoldberg said:
You're right. think about this for a moment.

tear gas, people screaming, can't see shit billy bob, gun shots everywhere, who's shooting.

37 people died no idea who the actaual shooter was.


people can't be this dumb. merikans i swear. :1orglaugh:


and i bet my bottom dollar you fags who swear you killing shit woulv'e pissed your pants.

shooting while being shot at IS NOT the same as shooting paper.


aka. that old man fought real wars not MW.


you wouldn't shoot shit even with clint holding the gun and charles pulling the trigger.
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This is riddled with logical fallacies from hasty generalizations to false analogies and Ad Hominem's. You are fallaciously assuming all gun owners are untrained, scared, morons and you are poisoning the well by instantly degrading any "would be hero".

The truth is, a lot people serious enough to spend the time and money to get a CHL also spend the time to learn to use it well. Joe the plumber might be a damn good shot, spend 3 or 4 days out of the week at the range shooting or possibly even taken ECQC classes or other self defense/tactical classes.

Joe the plumber might also be joe the ex-marine who couldn't carry because of the specific restriction. Why do you think that guy picked that movie theater instead of others In Colorado that allow CHL?

He knew it was less protected and everyone would be unarmed. If A murderer had to pick someone to kill, I bet he would pick , tygoldberg the "anti-gun house", before he picks Joe the "hunts every weekend, armed concealed license holder's" house.

Part of what you are missing is the preventative measures of allowing Concealed Gun Owners in your establishment. You're missing the fact that its a deterrent.

Them publicly restricting CHL's not only made them vulnerable, it let the world know. Making it illegal to carry a weapon in an establishment doesn't disarm the criminals.....they are carrying illegally anyway.

Making it illegal to carry a weapon only disarms the innocent people.It turns people into sheep, while leaving the wolves with their teeth and wearing sheeps clothing.
 
You people claiming that you wouldn't be able to spot the target through smoke are fucking delusional.

Even during the interviews with the press, the surviving victims said they could see him quite easily and initially thought he was part of the night's entertainment. So assuming only 10 or 15 people had concealed guns in that theater... firing from different angles on the assailant, there wouldn't have been much of a death count.

Don't let your fear of guns or political agenda cloud your judgement.
 
BigWill said:
How about you shut the fuck up.

I watched one of my best friends get shot in the face with a shot gun while growing up. I have been in houses sprayed with bullets. I have disarmed several retarded wiggers who have pulled guns and tried to rob whole houses of people and wacthed them promptly get beat the fuck down.

You think training is going to help in that situation? It might, but more so its about having balls. Its about maning the fuck up.

What the hell does a bar fight have to do with anything?
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces.You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth.
 
stick2Herbs said:
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces.You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth.
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mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
 
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