Message to the Voting Cattle

JakeStratham said:
By contrast, I went to Starbucks this morning. There was no war. There was no aggressive force. Just a bunch of people interacting and exchanging voluntarily. It was a demonstration of anarchy.

I have the same experience at the grocery store. Same at nearby restaurants. Same at the gas station. It is very odd how people don't go to war with each other.
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In Vegas this weekend, a couple of buddies and myself snagged three awesomely located chairs by the pool, draped our towels on them, and didn't come back for like 4 hours (drinkin, swimmin, poolside gamblin). We came back to find our pool chairs just as we had left them, and surrounded by other people in other (high demand) chairs.

You could make an argument that we are jerks...but at least anarchy is still alive and well. There is definitely no law or even hotel policy against using a vacant chair with nothing but a hotel-issued towel on it.
 


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kingofsp said:
In Vegas this weekend, a couple of buddies and myself snagged three awesomely located chairs by the pool, draped our towels on them, and didn't come back for like 4 hours (drinkin, swimmin, poolside gamblin). We came back to find our pool chairs just as we had left them, and surrounded by other people in other (high demand) chairs.

You could make an argument that we are jerks...but at least anarchy is still alive and well. There is definitely no law or even hotel policy against using a vacant chair with nothing but a hotel-issued towel on it.
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Just goes to show 90% of people are passive little cock smokers. Not hard to stand out in this world.. have some balls, learn to not give a fuck what people think and you're good. I would have sat in your damn chairs even if I didn't want to sit down just to show all the other passives that they were losers for not taking their little mini opportunity to have comfort. I probably would've offered it back to you when you came back tho, if you weren't a douche about it.

It's like when there's 4 people sitting at a 4 way stop and everyone's just looking around at each other like hurrr what do we do? I always instantly gas it whenever I see that is about to occur. Maybe like one time in the past 5 years has someone else gone before me.

Or when there's three guys waiting for the men's bathroom and the women's is empty. I never fucking hesitate to walk straight into the women's and do my thing. Sure enough, after I leave one of the other passives will cautiously do the same, probably scared as hell, shaking with dick in hand the whole time he's pissing.

I can't stand passive people. I'd much rather meet and be friends with overly cocky/confident guys then the meek little earth heirs. Not that I like cocky douches.. I just can't stand passivity.

Kinda an off topic rant..not sure what it has to do with anarchy other than provide evidence that it will probably never happen because everybody is scared to piss in the women's pisser.

That is my challenge to any of you homos out there that fit the above description.. Next time you're at a bar.. walk straight into the women's bathroom, and piss all over the seat.

Anarchy has to start somewhere.
 
guerilla said:
So you're saying that reason doesn't exist, and all of your actions are driven exclusively by emotion?
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Well I said emotion is behind most reasoning, I didn't say all. If we need to make some kind of decision that effects us, then there is usually emotion behind it. If we take an action, there's usually an emotion that motivates us to do it.

But saying 2+2=4 probably does not require emotion.

Emotion and rationality are not mutually exclusive. Reasoning just means 'to think'. Emotions are a large part of thinking. So I'm definitely not saying that reason does not exist.

guerilla said:
I've got a real problem with this, because right now, you're trying to reason with me, and yet you're denying that reason motivates human action.

If you don't believe behavior is arbitrary and random, then there must be some manner of order to it.
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See above. I'm not denying that thinking motivates human action. I'd only do that if you insist that thinking/reasoning does not consider your emotions. Emotion is usually the underlying force behind reasoning as well. I would not be here reasoning with you if it were not for my emotions on the subject. You wouldnt be here either. I'm not even sure motivation can exist without an underlying emotion. And motivation is the cause of most conscious action.

If you think something motivated by emotion is 'random' then I guess you could say that I think human behavior is random. I wouldn't use that word though. It's as predictable as emotions are. Think of the wide array of emotions, including empathy. Most people want the same things in life.. that's mostly predictable.
 
WickedJoe said:
Emotion is usually the underlying force behind reasoning as well.
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Your teachers, the mystics of both schools, have reversed causality in their consciousness, then strive to reverse it in existence. They take their emotions as a cause, and their mind as a passive effect. They make their emotions their tool for perceiving reality. They hold their desires as an irreducible primary, as a fact superseding all facts. An honest man does not desire until he has identified the object of his desire. He says: 'It is, therefore I want it.' They say: 'I want it, therefore it is.'

Amber » John Galt Speech
 
acidie said:
Your teachers, the mystics of both schools, have reversed causality in their consciousness, then strive to reverse it in existence. They take their emotions as a cause, and their mind as a passive effect. They make their emotions their tool for perceiving reality. They hold their desires as an irreducible primary, as a fact superseding all facts. An honest man does not desire until he has identified the object of his desire. He says: 'It is, therefore I want it.' They say: 'I want it, therefore it is.'

Amber » John Galt Speech
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Yes well Ayn Rand was obviously a moral objectivist (Objectivism). I am a moral subjectivist.

Like it or not, emotion is the underlying force behind reasoning and most human action IMO.
 
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Ayn Rand said:
Your teachers, the mystics of both schools, have reversed causality in their consciousness, then strive to reverse it in existence. They take their emotions as a cause, and their mind as a passive effect. They make their emotions their tool for perceiving reality. They hold their desires as an irreducible primary, as a fact superseding all facts. An honest man does not desire until he has identified the object of his desire. He says: 'It is, therefore I want it.' They say: 'I want it, therefore it is.'
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what is this i dont even
 
WickedJoe said:
Yes well Ayn Rand was obviously a moral objectivist (Objectivism). I am a moral subjectivist.

Like it or not, emotion is the underlying force behind reasoning and most human action IMO.
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A=A no matter how you feel about it.
 
acidie said:
A=A no matter how you feel about it.
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I mentioned above that not all reasoning needs to be emotion based when I said 2+2=4. I have just said most reasoning is emotion based repeatedly. If i missed a 'most' then my bad. Decisions on morals, actions, laws and things that effect us are definitely emotion based. A=A does not effect my life. Considering A=A is hardly even reasoning, it's more like repeating a definition or rule of math or logic.

To say that all decisions, morals, and human actions are akin to 2+2=4 or A=A is an oversimplification of reality.

Morals, without question, are emotion based. Conscious action does not exist without motivation. Motivation does not exist without emotion.
 
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