I understand where you're coming from but the libertarians chose to operate from within the republican party...
You are mistaken, sir.
The Libertarians have their own party, of which Gary Johnson is their nominee.
Ron Paul, who has no wish to win the presidency AT ALL, chose to adopt the GOP to run an EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN.
At that he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, and even further got scared that he might actually win the presidency so had to stop campaigning back in June with over $2 Million in campaign funds left lying around.
NEW libertarians, not even aware that the Libertarian party existed yet, were brought out of all parties into the GOP... All parties excepting only the Libertarian party, because they knew what Paul was up to.
If libertarians really want to make their own rules and hold all the cards then they'll have to leave the republican party and start their own but until then it will be politics as usual and it will be a 2 party war of left vs. right.
Have you seen the doc floating around here on the US Presidential debate process? I couldn't find it in a quick search but it is really worth watching if you google for it. The fact is that until this government falls, we're stuck with two parties that act as one and there's NEVER going to be any MSM coverage of a 3rd party because since Bush Sr. the only two people that could pick who gets to debate for General elections are the two candidates themselves!
Shit should be illegal, but it's not even hidden. 3rd parties do not exist to the masses, until the day comes when the masses gets their news from some non-MSM news source.
Huh??? So, which is it? Memory loss, ignorance, blinded by frustration, or a bit of all the above?
Matt, please don't jump the gun bro. W was horrible. I think that he was capable of giving the order to send airplanes sailing into the twin towers and the pentagon. I think he was likely the worst president up to the last day of his term. But when he did these horrible things, he did them with the fear that he might be found out one day and therefore lied to cover everything up... He basically hid in shame... Much like politicians have been doing since the stone age.
Sounds bad, sure. But when politicians hide their shame, they are not getting much worse. They pass along to the next person in that office a set of shame-standards and the next will likely hide their evildoings in shame too. If they didn't, then the next person in line wouldn't. It's called setting a precedent.
Obomba is very different. He does not see the need to hide his shame somehow. Calling himself a constitutional scholar and coming in as a progressive running on a platform of increased civil liberties all make him extremely dishonorable when he does things like keep guantanamo open or sign the NDAA. The fact that he was caught Slipping the indefinite detention clause into it and then publically asking senate to take it out before signing it in on new year's eve anyway is just a perfect example of the extreme Hypocracy.
O is setting a precedent that this country simply cannot survive for long. I mean that in the most literal & morbid sense.
Put it into perspective a bit. One Muslim American who was in Pakistan working & training with the Taliban got a drone up the ass. Well, don't goto Pakistan and hang out with the Taliban then. It's the same as if I goto Somalia on vacation, I can't get too dumbfounded when I find myself kidnapped.
You are clearly out of touch on this matter.
Inb4 Moxie fills up this part of the thread with tons of examples...
haha, really? You actually believe Obama's decisions have killed more people than Bush's decisions? I have a hard time even getting my mind wrapped around how someone could think that.
Please stop getting your news from MSNBC bro.
