Bug Out Bags

[infoslob]

And no, not only because you can't eat it. You can't drink it and you can't build shelter with it either. You can't do anything with it but trade it in an economy that values it. Guess what we won't have when you need to use your bug out bag.

So you're saying the day will come when gold / silver will have no use as a medium of exchange? I don't see that.

My bug out bag*** absolutely includes bullion. Preparing for the unexpected, are we not?





*** I don't have a bug out bag and won't need one until I sell out my share of a meth dealing empire.

 

[Mike]

Ruger® 10/22 Takedown® Autoloading Rifle Models

Good little 22 that breaks down into smaller parts.

Carry your pistol for defense, pack the 22 for hunting. (sling the AR for rock-n-roll time)

Also, 22 ammo is cheap and easier to carry 1000 rounds of than say 9mm, .45, or 223.

 

[Fatbat]

This is a bit delusional though, isn't it? Do you really believe you're going to wake up some morning, and overnight the world has morphed itself into a Mad Max environment?

It's one thing to prepare for natural disasters, and that's definitely a smart move. I doubt global warming is going to decelerate anytime soon, so more than likely the vast majority of us will experience a time when we were glad we prepared. That's why once I finish my move, I'll start preparing myself. I believe the frequency and severity of natural disasters in only going to increase over the coming decades.

Many of you seem driven by fear though, and take it to this totally absurd level, that I can't really comprehend. All I can really think is that's is fear-driven marketing doing the talking.

So you're saying the day will come when gold / silver will have no use as a medium of exchange? I don't see that.

Do you really need bullion for regional emergencies? I suppose some think it's a good idea to have some if you think the whole US economy is going to collapse at some point in the near future, whereby the US dollar no longer holds any value. If that does happen though, it may as well be the apocalypse.

 

[profitmotive]

This is a bit delusional though, isn't it? Do you really believe you're going to wake up some morning, and overnight the world has morphed itself into a Mad Max environment?

It's one thing to prepare for natural disasters, and that's definitely a smart move. I doubt global warming is going to decelerate anytime soon, so more than likely the vast majority of us will experience a time when we were glad we prepared. That's why once I finish my move, I'll start preparing myself. I believe the frequency and severity of natural disasters in only going to increase over the coming decades.

Many of you seem driven by fear though, and take it to this totally absurd level, that I can't really comprehend. All I can really think is that's is fear-driven marketing doing the talking.

Absurd level? Or just common sense?

There are tons of possibilities that could lead to a SHTF scenario. I'm not a prepper. I've taken a few precautions but I don't stockpile food, guns and ammo. I'm actually more doubtful there will ever be a SHTF scenario.

However comma... think about the point I'm making, not the way I'm delivering it. In a SHTF scenario it will either be so severe that the economy will collapse, or it won't. So we're both right. Either way, if the world is going to shit around you to the point that you need a bug out bag... it doesn't matter which of us is right.

Because if someone shows up at your home where you've stockpiled food but are running low on other supplies and they offer you fucking gold... What are you going to do?

Will you take it and give them some of your respectable but dwindling food supply not knowing how long the crisis will last? Or will you tell them to GTFO?!?!? and wait to trade with someone that has something you actually need.

The point is, whether the economy has collapsed or not, in an emergency, you need practical items, not monetary.

Sorry for being absurd...

 

[Yuma504]

B.O.B. -

Marine ILBE Pack

Contents -
- AR 15 (upper and lower seperated in lint/dust proof rubberized bag)
- 10 30 round clips fully loaded
- .40 Pistol with 3 extra clips
- Mylar emergency blankets
- First Aid Kit
- 3 days worth of clothes (pants,shirts,socks,underwear)
- 3 pair of extra heavy socks, in case of an unexpected hike.
- Katadyn Vario Multi Flow Water Microfilter [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Vario-Multi-Water-Microfilter/dp/B000KUVVY4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2B3TUROVFWM4R&coliid=I3SF989JEUX7M3]Amazon.com: Katadyn Vario Multi Flow Water Microfilter: Sports & Outdoors[/ame]

- Gill Net (catch fish)
- Three MRE's
- Marine SealLine Waterproof bag
- Folding Shovel
- A tool set (basic adjustable wrenchs,pliers,screw drivers)
- Foldable laminated map of area between my city and Big Out Location
- Pocket Rocket Stove
- Knives - a K Bar and a knife for cleaning/gutting game
- Sleeping Bag -I attach it to the rear underside of bag.
- Snugpak Tent. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/SnugPak-92850-Snugpak-Tent-Ionosphere/dp/B003U9851E/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2B3TUROVFWM4R&coliid=I2D0WMUIF4CYSS]Amazon.com: Snugpak Tent Ionosphere: Sports & Outdoors[/ame]

- Dual-Band 136-174/400-480 MHz FM Ham Two-way Radio
- Paracord (I usually have a 1000 ft roll on hand, so I can cut and pack as much as I need).
- Tarps (2 Multicam Pattern)

I also have a camel back water system that can be attached to the pack or used solo and a plate carrier (with level IV protection) that is like American Express... I don't leave home without it.

As someone who lives in a hurricane prone area and experienced the after effects of a natural disaster (Katrina) and various scenarios of societal collapse when deployed with the US Army - I am amazed at the amount of people that view others being prepared with 10 days worth of food and water as loons and wing nuts. People - a nautral or man made disaster precipitates societal collapse and panic. I promise you, no matter how civil, enlightened and cultured you think you are, three days of no food and little to no water will turn you into a fucking monster real quick. Not too mention there are elements of society who are dependent on everyone else for their sustenance and entire being that will kill you without compunction for an MRE if they are hungry. I am not going to allude to anything I may or may not have done in this situation during Katrina, as it may incriminate me, but situations like this bring out the worst in people and you need to be prepared on as many levels as possible for anything. The most logical plan is to BUG IN if conditions allow for it. If not then turn to Bugging out.

Most rational humans have a "lets wait and see" approach to most situations concerning a potential oncoming disaster as opposed to freaking out and assuming the worst of any given potential scenario or situation. I do as well. But sometimes waiting and seeing turns in to OH SHIT THE WORST HAPPENED AND NOW I CAN'T LEAVE! You better have your shit together. Or you're going to be one of the morons crying about how the Government needs to get their shit together and come save you, after all you're a tax payer and an upstanding citizen who lives in a nice nieghborhood. It's not the governments job to come save you! It is not my reponsiblity as a good boy scout - ALWAYS PREPARED - to save you either. Everyone reading this thread could easily have cases of water and boxes of canned spam,jerky,canned foods etc under thier bed or other out of site location to be ready for the worst for a few days. The first 72 hours are the most critical as you will be thinking and planning about what to do for the next few weeks if things don't stabilize.

If you watched any coverage of Katrina or more recently Hurricane Sandy then you should know FEMA is a fucking JOKE and couldn't organize a circle jerk properly. Your local officials will be caught off guard as well more than likely and all they will have stockpiled will be yammerings of FEMA is on the way. However, every cop available will be decked out in assualt gear, M4 locked and loaded ready to spray first and ask questions later. THIS IS HOW THEY ARE TRAINED TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES THESE DAYS! It matters not what the situaiton is, every problem is viewed as a nail and their only tool a hammer.

P.S.- Flares are for PUSSIES and quitters!

 

[hellblazer]

It's useful to Glenn Beck followers because they wasted money buying it instead of things you can actually use when SHTF. Those people will gladly trade it under the misguided idea that it's still valuable. Until shit starts running out.

Things that have monetary but no practical value are only valuable until things with practical value become scarce. It's a really simple concept...

And no, not only because you can't eat it. You can't drink it and you can't build shelter with it either. You can't do anything with it but trade it in an economy that values it. Guess what we won't have when you need to use your bug out bag.

You clearly know a lot about "Glenn Beck followers". For some reason, in your opinion, they only listen to the gold ads on his show and completely ignore the multiple emergency food ads?

lol thanks for the dissertation though.

I suppose some think it's a good idea to have some if you think the whole US economy is going to collapse at some point in the near future, whereby the US dollar no longer holds any value. If that does happen though, it may as well be the apocalypse.

That's ridiculous analysis. Argentina had their currency collapse, look where they are now. There's tons of other currencies out there, the world would continue on.

For those who think a dollar collapse is coming and still live in the U.S., their first priorities are obviously food, water, land, guns, etc...

But their excess wealth needs to survive in some form, so that it can hold its value through the crisis. Most people are using farmland or gold/silver for that. Then, if a new currency returns, they bring out their excess wealth and redeem it. Or worst case, they relocate to a more stable monetary system and slowly redeem their metals as they see fit.

Some of you guys sound simply idiotic.

 

[shawnhag]

I have a bugout trunk in case I am able to drive that is a little bit beyond a bag - and also have a bugout bag packed for each of my family members including my 2 year old.

I've went through SEAL training and did a year in the gulf - theres no doubt I can stand out any sort of disaster but it starts to get scary when you have a wife/kids/dogs to take care of.

 

[eliquid]

letmespellthatoutforyou.com

point being... you can't eat gold, silver, or money.If you pull it out of your bag and try to use it for trade in exchange for something that's actually useful I will shoot you for being stupid.

At a minimum it will instantly identify you as an avid Glenn Beck follower whom I can easily take advantage of.

Knowing there are people like you out there ( I've already thought about this situation before ) that are un-civil and would shot someone for being stupid is reason why people like me would just shoot you before you even approached me for a trade. Why trade when I can just take and protect me and my family 110% no matter what just in case?

I am going with the mentality that no matter WHAT I do you would shoot me, so I might as well cut you down first.

Good luck when the shit hits the fan bro.

 

[eliquid]

I dont have any "bags" ready, but I have shit in places it needs to be when time comes.

I have been thinking of doing some bags, mainly 1 for each person in family and then bags stored in strategic locations as needed ( couple miles from my house, buried in a certain location in waterproof bag ), etc.

Im not gonna rely on cars/automobiles when the shit hits the fan, one of the first things to go in emergencies besides food is gas, so you will only get so far until your out. I might keep enough gas on hand to fill my tank completely one time so I can get a good 300-400 mile run at first onslaught, but keeping gas on hand means changing it out every 3-6 months too max which can be a hassle. Plus a car is just a huge target anyways when your trying to get out of dodge too and others are waiting for you to drive by.

 

[profitmotive]

So you're saying the day will come when gold / silver will have no use as a medium of exchange? I don't see that.

I sure hope not.

But guess what... if you need a bug out bag, that's that day.

It may only be temporary, but whether it be during a regional social or natural disaster if you're hoping people will take your gold when they need food, shelter, fire you're a fool.

OK, for the people who need simple 1st grade level examples, here.

letmespellthatoutforyou.com/page-2

Chapter 3
Section 1

Exercise: Go to Google, research the Hurricane Sandy disaster. Now come back here and list all the examples where people in New Jersey and Staten Island were trading shiny metal rocks to survive.

THEN... research more and come back here and tell me how many days it took before people started suffering due to scarcity of basic survival items. (cheat answer: people started suffering in less than 24 hours without power.)

You called me what I'm saying a little delusional Kiopa Matt, but there's your answer. What happened during Katrina and Sandy was exactly what you dismiss. Shit got "Mad Max" for people in less than 24 hours and that was only a regional disaster.

Imagine that on a national level. A global level. Then ask me that question in your first sentence again.

 

[profitmotive]

Knowing there are people like you out there ( I've already thought about this situation before ) that are un-civil and would shot someone for being stupid is reason why people like me would just shoot you before you even approached me for a trade.

I am going with the mentality that no matter WHAT I do you would shoot me, so I might as well cut you down first.

Good luck when the shit hits the fan bro.

Knowing there are people like you who would shoot people just because they may be people like me, is why I would shoot people for being stupid.

Good luck to you too bro.

 

[mituozo]

In a SHTF scenario I'll get really drunk, grab my tent and crossbow, then head out into the woods near my house, where I'll eat rabbits/leaves and shit in holes until someone else with a crossbow attacks me and eats my carcus.

At least longbows, crossbows and knives are all I'd have to worry about in a relatively gun free country.

I'm not sure what SHTF scenarios could rise that would leave me to up and leave here in central UK anyway.

Flooding? No rivers or coast nearby (we're 600ft above sea level here)
Earthquakes? No fault lines anywhere near
Volcanos? Nope
Hurricanes? Tornados? Nah

Most the "reasonable" explanations are things like nuclear attacks, asteroids and shit. The kinda shit that I'm not sure I'd want to survive anyway. An asteroid big enough to cause widespread global damage would be enough to make the world a horrible place to live. A nuclear attack that affects me and means that I have to leave my house and move somewhere probably means I'm going to die an agonizing death from cancer within the next few years anyway.

 

[slayerment]

It's useful to Glenn Beck followers because they wasted money buying it instead of things you can actually use when SHTF. Those people will gladly trade it under the misguided idea that it's still valuable. Until shit starts running out.

Things that have monetary but no practical value are only valuable until things with practical value become scarce. It's a really simple concept...

And no, not only because you can't eat it. You can't drink it and you can't build shelter with it either. You can't do anything with it but trade it in an economy that values it. Guess what we won't have when you need to use your bug out bag.

We're talking bug out bags here, not complete survival under the collapse of any working economy in the world. You are making the assumption that the bug out bag is only used if no economies exist. A bug out bag is a temporary solution. The whole world won't collapse overnight and things take time. Gold and silver, if they ever were to become worthless (highly unlikely), would not become worthless overnight. Gold, silver and dollars will not all 3 go to 0 in the lifespan of a bug out bag.

Moreover, different people want different things. If you don't want gold and silver I wouldn't trade with you. But if somebody else did I would trade with them. Everything has a price and that price is different to each individual. I would gladly trade my resources for gold with others. And why do you assume gold and silver would only be used for trade or barter? At some point gold and silver would have economic value again. Why not just sit on it and buy up all the assets once the economy does recover? Why would I not trade lighters, batteries or soap which is much more necessary without an economy? You make assumption after assumption which are completely unfounded.

Again, a bug out bag is a temporary solution. We're talking bug out bags here and all of a sudden you start talking about economies not existing. If there is no economy you're not going to be running around with a tiny, little bug out bag. You're going to be buckled down with your community that you had prepared with years in advance. A bug out bag isn't meant for the survival of a collapsed economy. If people we no longer using gold and silver do you really think someone would be stupid enough to only have a bug out bag as their survival means?

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

I dont have any "bags" ready, but I have shit in places it needs to be when time comes.

I have been thinking of doing some bags, mainly 1 for each person in family and then bags stored in strategic locations as needed ( couple miles from my house, buried in a certain location in waterproof bag ), etc.

Im not gonna rely on cars/automobiles when the shit hits the fan, one of the first things to go in emergencies besides food is gas, so you will only get so far until your out. I might keep enough gas on hand to fill my tank completely one time so I can get a good 300-400 mile run at first onslaught, but keeping gas on hand means changing it out every 3-6 months too max which can be a hassle. Plus a car is just a huge target anyways when your trying to get out of dodge too and others are waiting for you to drive by.

No offense to you eliquid, but this is the type of absurdity I'm talking about. What exactly are you planning for? What's going to cause you to jump out of bed at 3am, wake the wife and kids, and head out for a 3 mile hike to dig up some supplies you previously buried, before you head out to live in the woods?

This is the type of thing I don't get.

 

[charlesmartel]

Get an enduro motorcycle so you can escape the city and take alternative routes.

 

[profitmotive]

We're talking bug out bags here, not complete survival under the collapse of any working economy in the world. You are making the assumption that the bug out bag is all that somebody has. A bug out bag is a temporary solution. The whole world won't collapse overnight and things take time. Gold and silver, if they ever were to become worthless (highly unlikely), would not become worthless overnight. Gold, silver and dollars will not all 3 go to 0 in the lifespan of a bug out bag.

Moreover, different people want different things. If you don't want gold and silver I wouldn't trade with you. But if somebody else did I would trade with them. Everything has a price and that price is different to each individual. I would gladly trade my resources for gold with others. And why do you assume gold and silver would only be used for trade or barter? At some point gold and silver would have economic value again. Why not just sit on it and buy up all the assets once the economy does recover? Why would I not trade lighters, batteries or soap which is much more necessary without an economy? You make assumption after assumption which are completely unfounded.

Again, a bug out bag is a temporary solution. We're talking bug out bags here and all of a sudden you start talking about economies not existing. If there is no economy you're not going to be running around with a tiny, little bug out bag. You're going to be buckled down with your community that you had prepared with years in advance. A bug out bag isn't meant for the survival of a collapsed economy. If people we no longer using gold and silver do you really think someone would be stupid enough to only have a bug out bag as their survival means?

You are still missing my point.

I completely get the bug out bag being a potentially (and likely) temporary situation. Stockpile $100k worth of gold if you want to. When/if the economy recovers you'll be golden (excuse the pun).

Just, unless you are looking to balance weight in your pack, that room would be better used for something practical because people in need are highly unlikely to give you something you need for it.

If shit is so scarce they can't simply go to the store and buy it, you think they're going to give it to you for a few ounces of gold?

Like I said, Glenn Beck followers maybe... Aw hell, you convinced me. Thanks and I'll be looking for people like you during SHTF times so I can give you some shiny rocks for your food.

 

[Dresden14]

Guns, bullets, antibiotics and pictures printed from sudden asses posts on a late 90s inkjet printer

 

[Yuma504]

No offense to you eliquid, but this is the type of absurdity I'm talking about. What exactly are you planning for? What's going to cause you to jump out of bed at 3am, wake the wife and kids, and head out for a 3 mile hike to dig up some supplies you previously buried, before you head out to live in the woods?

This is the type of thing I don't get.

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You gotta be a Wolverine bro!

 

[amateursurgeon]

In a SHTF scenario I'll get really drunk, grab my tent and crossbow, then head out into the woods near my house, where I'll eat rabbits/leaves and shit in holes until someone else with a crossbow attacks me and eats my carcus.

At least longbows, crossbows and knives are all I'd have to worry about in a relatively gun free country.

I'm not sure what SHTF scenarios could rise that would leave me to up and leave here in central UK anyway.

Flooding? No rivers or coast nearby (we're 600ft above sea level here)
Earthquakes? No fault lines anywhere near
Volcanos? Nope
Hurricanes? Tornados? Nah

Most the "reasonable" explanations are things like nuclear attacks, asteroids and shit. The kinda shit that I'm not sure I'd want to survive anyway. An asteroid big enough to cause widespread global damage would be enough to make the world a horrible place to live. A nuclear attack that affects me and means that I have to leave my house and move somewhere probably means I'm going to die an agonizing death from cancer within the next few years anyway.

Depends where you live - a friend of mine lives in East London, and he has about 5 days of stuff (Dried food, survival stuff, water, first aid etc - no guns though ) close at hand. He almost used it during the riots here, but stuff got contained before he had to.

 

[amateursurgeon]

That's ridiculous analysis. Argentina had their currency collapse, look where they are now. There's tons of other currencies out there, the world would continue on.

For those who think a dollar collapse is coming and still live in the U.S., their first priorities are obviously food, water, land, guns, etc...

But their excess wealth needs to survive in some form, so that it can hold its value through the crisis. Most people are using farmland or gold/silver for that. Then, if a new currency returns, they bring out their excess wealth and redeem it. Or worst case, they relocate to a more stable monetary system and slowly redeem their metals as they see fit.

Some of you guys sound simply idiotic.

This doesn't sound like a Hellblazer post to me. The mask is slipping...

(You've logged in under your troll account again, bro. )