Anyone have diabetes?

[MentalyDisturbd]

The third and by far least important step is dietary change. If you exercise every day and get down to a relatively low body fat, you can reverse type 2 diabetes even when drinking soda and eating fruity pebbles every damn day. Maybe the most far-gone individuals may need to watch their carbs but it really is a minor step in the process.

bro, do you even diabetes?

I would not listen to this shit. Yes, exercise can help you keep your BG down but, eating foods high in sugar, high in carbs, or bread etc. will still spike your BG. From what I've learned it's the spikes that are dangerous because it can have negative effects on your organs in the long run. Whenever your BG stays over 140 for over 2 hours is when it can start damaging organs. If you eat fruity pebbles and soda, and you have even type 2 diabetes, you will easily go over 140, how long you stay there is user dependent.

Not to mention you don't know if your diabetes will get worst by running your blood glucose like a roller coaster. Why take the chance?

Why even do that shit in the first place? it's not even good for you if you don't have diabetes. If you're exercising, might as well start to do it to get in shape and get fit. Diet is 80% you should be eating clean and healthy to take advantage of the results of working out.

OP, if you're really concerned about diabetes go visit a diabetics forum, I'm pretty sure you're not going to find many diabetics talking about eating fucking fruity pebbles and drinking sodas all damn day.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

This is exactly my approach. I don't lecture her or interfere. It isn't my life and there are plenty of areas where I can improve myself.

Let me ask this way: do those pills work forever, or do you have to start injecting if you don't change your ways?

I would think eventually there's a possibility it will get worst if you don't manage it and change your ways. I don't know for sure. I know my mom pretty much doesn't give a shit, she checks her BG every morning, and I don't even know why because she doesn't use it as a tool to figure out what she should and shouldn't be eating, and what spikes her BG. She still eats ice cream, breads, dessert and stuff like that. She's still on the pills, I don't know what's going to happen down the road. I guess they just increase her dose for now if she's going up too much.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

The shit that freaks me about diabetes are the complications that can occur if you don't manage your blood glucose and keep it within range. In the long run it can have severe effects on your body, your organs, people lose their feet, have to get amputated, blindness, shit like that. It's really not something that should be taken lightly. Of course I would imagine that you would have to be way far gone for that kind of damage but, shit you never know what can happen down the road.

I'm not perfect, I still cheat now and then but, it does make me feel guilty at the time. I can tell you I wouldn't be doing that shit all damn day.

 

[maintain]

Precisely, diabetes is reversed by exercise and weight loss. The quickest way to lose weight is by consuming large quantities of low-calorie foods. I say large quantities because starving yourself is neither effective in the long term nor healthy.

You will lose weight much quicker by eating lettuce and brussel sprouts than by having lean chicken. It's a simple mathematical calculation. The lowest calorie foods are all vegetables, and the best way to fill your stomach on them is by eating them raw, as cooking them condenses them and makes them easier to consume.

Compare 2 lbs of raw spinach with 2 lbs of cooked spinach and you'll see what I mean.

Yes, it is a simple mathematical calculation - calories in and calories out. What those calories are has little to do with it.

You're playing the compliance angle, suggesting that somehow a more balanced low calorie diet is harder to stick to than a raw vegan, and for most people, that is simply not the case. Lifetime compliance for a diet of raw uncooked vegetables is going to be like .1%. It's not even a remotely viable solution.

Put yourself in a doctor's shoes. Can you imagine telling a person that has consumed nothing but potato chips, cokes, and fast food for the last 20 years, that they are suddenly going to eat nothing but raw vegetables? They'd rather die than try to make that kind of commitment.

 

[maintain]

bro, do you even diabetes?

I would not listen to this shit. Yes, exercise can help you keep your BG down but, eating foods high in sugar, high in carbs, or bread etc. will still spike your BG. From what I've learned it's the spikes that are dangerous because it can have negative effects on your organs in the long run. Whenever your BG stays over 140 for over 2 hours is when it can start damaging organs. If you eat fruity pebbles and soda, and you have even type 2 diabetes, you will easily go over 140, how long you stay there is user dependent.

Not to mention you don't know if your diabetes will get worst by running your blood glucose like a roller coaster. Why take the chance?

Why even do that shit in the first place? it's not even good for you if you don't have diabetes. If you're exercising, might as well start to do it to get in shape and get fit. Diet is 80% you should be eating clean and healthy to take advantage of the results of working out.

OP, if you're really concerned about diabetes go visit a diabetics forum, I'm pretty sure you're not going to find many diabetics talking about eating fucking fruity pebbles and drinking sodas all damn day.

Yes, yes I do. I took a graduate level class on the topic. I've read much more research than anyone in this thread. I am not expressing an opinion here.

Let me put it in terms that you can understand:

How many thin, fit people who exercise every single day have type 2 diabetes, regardless of diet? Such a scenario doesn't exist.

How many overweight or sedentary people (or both) watch their carbs and eat "healthy diets" but still have type 2 diabetes? There's a ton of them.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

Yes, yes I do. I took a graduate level class on the topic. I've read much more research than anyone in this thread. I am not expressing an opinion here.

Let me put it in terms that you can understand:

How many thin, fit people who exercise every single day have type 2 diabetes, regardless of diet? Such a scenario doesn't exist.

How many overweight or sedentary people (or both) watch their carbs and eat "healthy diets" but still have type 2 diabetes? There's a ton of them.

I don't know the numbers but, isn't diabetes genetic? So, what would it matter if you're healthy all your life and you exercise every day of your life, if it's genetic cant it still happen?

Also, yeah of course I agree that if you exercise daily and you live a healthy lifestyle that you reduce your chances possibily eliminate your chances of diabetes.

I don't understand what the fuck you're saying though, are you saying after you are diagnosed with diabetes that you start exercising regularly that you don't have to worry about diabetes anymore? If so, that is complete bullshit. I have pre-diabetes, I have been exercising 5 days a week for 1.5 years, without any breaks at all, no days off, except for when I have a blood test and then I still time it so it's on a cardio day not lifting day. I've been working out with a trainer since last October regulalry.

None of this changes the fact that I have pre-diabetes, if I eat pancakes or something like that my BG will sky rocket. I check my BG so I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Yes, I can wake up with a 100 or under a 100 every day but, that doesn't change the fact that my BG will spike if I eat something high in sugar or high in carbs.

With all your research you should know that people are diagnosed with diabetes because their body does not produce enough insulin to bring their BG down when they eat something high in sugar, carbs etc. so how the fuck would exercise make your body produce insulin? If your pancreas has problems producing insulin, exercising isn't going to fix that. You can become more sensitive to insulin, and see some improvements from working out and exercising regularly but, it will not cure or reverse it or make you a non-diabetic and make your pancreas working like a normal persons.

Also I can't be that far gone or else I would be on diabetic medication but, I still have to watch what I eat to prevent spikes in BG, even with working out as much as I do. I'm 172 lbs. 14.32% bodyfat, wouldn't consider that overweight, doesn't mean I don't have to watch what I'm eating etc.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

Avoid Blood Sugar Spikes: Men's Health.com
Fewer Blood Sugar Spikes Help You Live Longer
"If you live large—big meals, lots of beer, little moderation—you may be shortening your life even if your weight is okay. Repeated blood sugar spikes stress the organs that make up the metabolic engine of your body. That takes a toll.

And you might not notice. "People can live symptom-free for years in a prediabetic state even though they've lost as much as 50 percent of their pancreatic function," says Dr. Lien. "And they don't even know it." People with prediabetes share the same health risks, especially for heart disease, that haunt people with full-blown diabetes."



http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Blood-Glucose-Monitoring/stop-spiking-those-sugars/

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

If you exercise every day and get down to a relatively low body fat, you can reverse type 2 diabetes even when drinking soda and eating fruity pebbles every damn day.

Please link me to a credible source/study that backs up that statement. I would be completely shocked. Prove to me that you didn't just pull that out of your ass. If you find a credible source to prove me wrong, I'll eat a fucking cupcake right now.

 

[arxs]

I'm curious, anyone here have diabetes? If so, I'm wondering, what was is like to get that first shot(s) of insulin after being diagnosed? Did the symptoms just slowly dissipate, and that was it? Or did you feel a sudden surge of energy and feeling of being alive?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Wait .. you are not diagnosed with diabetes, but you are already thinking of insulin shots?

You just think too much .. If your blood sugar is high, the doc will advise you to eat health + exercise (first choice), after a few months if no improvement, he will get you on tablets (second choice).

After X numbers of years, IF the tablets are not working anymore to bring down your blood sugar level, you will only be prescribed with insulin.

Unless you are having type 1 diabetes (which requires insulin starting from CHILDHOOD), which is highly unlikely.

So, chill bro..

 

[InternetAuthor]

That's what I don't understand, I'm not even old. I'm in my early 30s, and I'm not fat either. I guess I'm not in absolute pristine shape, but I wear 32" waist jeans, and eat quite healthy, so I'd hardly call myself an obese pig.

Family has a history of it though, I've been feeling like total shit for the past 3 months, and I already know that's what it is. Going to head to the hospital tomorrow, and get tested for it, although don't see the point. Might as well just tell them to give me some insulin and blood sugar test kit, because I already know the test is coming back positive.

This is exactly my approach. I don't lecture her or interfere. It isn't my life and there are plenty of areas where I can improve myself.

Let me ask this way: do those pills work forever, or do you have to start injecting if you don't change your ways?

I've got a family history, too, and some weight to lose, etc. I've had an interesting chat about weight and diabetes with a nutritionist in regard to Metformin, the medication used to help with prediabetes.

What was explained to me (in summary) goes something like this (warning! I'm not a medical professional and I'm going from memory): The body has to break down sugar using insulin created in the pancreas. When you eat large meals with plenty of carbs, your body compensates by releasing large amounts of insulin to break it down and store it as fat, etc. This creates the cycles of up and down.

In the case of Type II diabetes, typical onset comes with age and with weight combined with these spiking diet choices. You can generally control weight, but not age, so that is where the focus is. In Type II diabetes, the body essentially stops knowing how to produce the right amount of insulin for your weight, and the glucose in your body rises since it is not being processed properly. It is also stored more readily as fat since the body is going out of whack.

Basically, your system in regard to processing sugar goes increasingly haywire overtime and eventually burns itself out completely. You can supplement your body's insulin use by burning off more of the carbs in the bloodstream so that you don't need as much insulin to process them. This is why exercise is so good - in fact, I was told it is the absolute best thing in treating Type II since it essentially does the same thing as insulin - processes the carbs.

With a prediabetic drug like Metformin, the body doesn't need extra insulin since it still produces its own, it just needs to be regulated and prevented from going haywire and burning out the pancreas. So, the drug essentially regulates the message the pancreas receives, allows some of the carbs to simple flush out of the system and keeps the body's system stable in regard to insulin use and production. If taken early on, you can actually avoid ever needing insulin, especially if combined with exercise and low-carb foods. It slows or even stops the ongoing damage to the pancreas, preventing the need for supplemental insulin.

So, it's likely that if you are diagnosed as pre-diabetic, you'll start with diet/exercise/drug like Metformin before you ever go to insulin shots. That would be a pretty dramatic step to take right out of the gate. Your symptoms also make you sound anemic, btw, especially being so tired.

 

[JMan1234]

Honestly, all started a few months back, when for whatever reason I decided to go on a cleanse and eat only salads / veggie stir frys. Every two or three days I'd allow myself to throw in some shrimp or fish, to get a bit of protein.

After a couple weeks of that, I ended up quite fatigued, and literally slept 16 - 20 hours a day for 5 - 10 days at a time. I just couldn't keep myself awake. I'd wake up, have a strong coffee, and it wouldn't matter -- an hour or two later I'd find myself laying in bed watching a movie, and next thing I knew it was 10 hours later. Then I'd be good for a few days, and then back to sleeping for a week.

The fatigue seems to have disappeared for whatever reason, as I can keep myself awake for a decent while now. For the past week though my hands, feet, and lips have been numb and tingly. Not painful or anything, but numb. Also can't sleep anymore for some reason. Get a couple hours at a time, about 3 times a day, hence why I'm probably going a bit goofy right now -- my body is hurting for some quality REM sleep.

After reading up, I'm sure it's diabetes. It's in my family, and the symptoms match up. I don't care in the slightest that I have it, but will be nice to have it taken care of. I know full well I'm getting it, so get it now or in a decade from now -- doesn't matter, I'm still going to get it.

I'm just curious as to what is feels like to get those first shots of insulin. I mean, diabetes means your body isn't capable of storing and processing cells properly for energy, so what happens when the insulin gets introduced to your system, and those functions begin working? Do you just start feeling fine again, or is it more of a "holy shit! I totally forgot it was possible to feel this good!" type of feeling?

Not to worry you, but those symptoms can also be signs of MS.

Last year I had about the same symptoms with my hands and feet, and feeling tired. With my dad and grandparents having diabetes, I thought for sure that was it. Went in for some tests, no diabetes, so further tests were needed....went to see the neurologist, and it looks like MS.

 

[Joshi]

My mother has it. Fortunately, I haven't had it YET.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Yep. Here you go!

Just bought one of those blood glucose test kits, and got 138 mg/dL, and A1C of 6.6. Well, I guess that explains it.

 

[Fatbat]

Not to worry you, but those symptoms can also be signs of...

...just about anything.

 

[maintain]

I don't know the numbers but, isn't diabetes genetic? So, what would it matter if you're healthy all your life and you exercise every day of your life, if it's genetic cant it still happen?

Also, yeah of course I agree that if you exercise daily and you live a healthy lifestyle that you reduce your chances possibily eliminate your chances of diabetes.

I don't understand what the fuck you're saying though, are you saying after you are diagnosed with diabetes that you start exercising regularly that you don't have to worry about diabetes anymore? If so, that is complete bullshit. I have pre-diabetes, I have been exercising 5 days a week for 1.5 years, without any breaks at all, no days off, except for when I have a blood test and then I still time it so it's on a cardio day not lifting day. I've been working out with a trainer since last October regulalry.

None of this changes the fact that I have pre-diabetes, if I eat pancakes or something like that my BG will sky rocket. I check my BG so I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Yes, I can wake up with a 100 or under a 100 every day but, that doesn't change the fact that my BG will spike if I eat something high in sugar or high in carbs.

With all your research you should know that people are diagnosed with diabetes because their body does not produce enough insulin to bring their BG down when they eat something high in sugar, carbs etc. so how the fuck would exercise make your body produce insulin? If your pancreas has problems producing insulin, exercising isn't going to fix that. You can become more sensitive to insulin, and see some improvements from working out and exercising regularly but, it will not cure or reverse it or make you a non-diabetic and make your pancreas working like a normal persons.

Also I can't be that far gone or else I would be on diabetic medication but, I still have to watch what I eat to prevent spikes in BG, even with working out as much as I do. I'm 172 lbs. 14.32% bodyfat, wouldn't consider that overweight, doesn't mean I don't have to watch what I'm eating etc.

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying that diet means nothing, just that it is the least important aspect. Eating fruity pebbles and drinking sugar sodas may hurt you, but not as much as sitting on your ass or being overweight does.

You can do your own research. I've already done mine. But why bother? Just use your eyes. It is extremely rare for lean and muscular individuals who exercise every day to have type 2 diabetes. On the other hand, it is very common for fat/sedentary individuals who eat healthy diets (but just consume too much of those healthy foods) to have type 2 diabetes.

You say you exercise "daily 5 days a week", which is not daily. The exercise needs to be daily, not 5 days a week. It doesn't need to be intense either, it just needs to happen.

Furthermore if you are having type 2 blood sugar problems and are young enough to be on wickedfire, I'm certain you are fatter than you think you are. DEXA scans, the most accurate form of body fat measurement, cost thousands of dollars to get and are +/- 2% body fat. DEXA scans certainly do not calculate body fat accurately to the tenths place, let alone the hundredths, so I'm not sure where you are getting 14.32% from.

Genetics do contribute to your potential to get diabetes, but virtually no one is guaranteed to develop it until a relatively old age. Once you get to be old, sure, but if you're under 55, you're probably just fat and/or lazy.

And yes, you can "reverse" pre-diabetic and even type 2 diabetic states. The longer these states have been going on and the older you are the harder it becomes. Imagine your fasting blood sugar was 105. If you lose 15 pounds of body fat and maintain that for a few weeks, you're resting blood sugar is likely to drop under 100, if not down to around 90. You would still follow up with regular fasting glucose checks over the years but if the numbers were fine, no treatment would be needed.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

I'm not going to continue to argue with you. You can believe whatever you want. Clearly you're the expert that has read about diabetes once a upon a time and I know nothing the one that actually has diabetes and lives with it.

You're twisting around what you're saying now. You initially said that even if you have type 2 diabetes as long as you exercise you can eat fruity pebbles and drink soda all damn day. Now you're saying its extremely rare for individuals that exercise daily to get diabetes which is common sense.

Also clearly you dont know anything about fitness either because days off and resting are necessary. You build muscle while you're resting and your body is recovering. 5 days is enough doesn't have to be every single day. Clearly I'm managing my diabetes just fine so its working for me. But what do I know you're the expert book worm that is getting his knowledge from books not real life experiences. All I can say is I hope that a family member of yours gets diabetes one day and eats fruity pebbles and drinks soda all day so you can see what happens. Hopefully they will check their glucose infront of your eyes so you can see for yourself.

Lastly I had my body fat % calculated with an underwater submersion test. Which is the second most accurate bf testing method from Dexa. So please go fuck yourself.

Also again diabetes is not reversible you can only control or manage it. Go to any diabetics forum and try to tell them that its reversible and see what happens. Of course what would they know you're the neckbeard that "studied" diabetes they only live with it.

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying that diet means nothing, just that it is the least important aspect. Eating fruity pebbles and drinking sugar sodas may hurt you, but not as much as sitting on your ass or being overweight does.

You can do your own research. I've already done mine. But why bother? Just use your eyes. It is extremely rare for lean and muscular individuals who exercise every day to have type 2 diabetes. On the other hand, it is very common for fat/sedentary individuals who eat healthy diets (but just consume too much of those healthy foods) to have type 2 diabetes.

You say you exercise "daily 5 days a week", which is not daily. The exercise needs to be daily, not 5 days a week. It doesn't need to be intense either, it just needs to happen.

Furthermore if you are having type 2 blood sugar problems and are young enough to be on wickedfire, I'm certain you are fatter than you think you are. DEXA scans, the most accurate form of body fat measurement, cost thousands of dollars to get and are +/- 2% body fat. DEXA scans certainly do not calculate body fat accurately to the tenths place, let alone the hundredths, so I'm not sure where you are getting 14.32% from.

Genetics do contribute to your potential to get diabetes, but virtually no one is guaranteed to develop it until a relatively old age. Once you get to be old, sure, but if you're under 55, you're probably just fat and/or lazy.

And yes, you can "reverse" pre-diabetic and even type 2 diabetic states. The longer these states have been going on and the older you are the harder it becomes. Imagine your fasting blood sugar was 105. If you lose 15 pounds of body fat and maintain that for a few weeks, you're resting blood sugar is likely to drop under 100, if not down to around 90. You would still follow up with regular fasting glucose checks over the years but if the numbers were fine, no treatment would be needed.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

DEXA scans, the most accurate form of body fat measurement, cost thousands of dollars to get.

Also just to show how full of shit you are. You just pull numbers out of your ass to look like you know what you're talking about when you actually have no clue.

According to this Dexa does not costs thousands. "Dexa may cost as much as $300"
Source: Body Composition

The issue usually is finding a facility that has the Dexa machine.

 

[jacky8]

I'd suggest not reading too much on self-diagnosis sites. They might make you a kind of Hypochondriac. Don't jump to conclusions.

Just consult a doctor and leave it at that. Don't do self diagnosis.

 

[maintain]

Resorting to insults because you don't have a logical leg to stand is not going to improve your body's ability to maintain healthy glucose levels.

You have already conclusively demonstrated that you have no idea how diabetes, insulin, and glucose transport actually work, because it has little to do with the process of building muscle. I've said it three times now that the exercise does not need to be intense, it just needs to be daily, so recovery days are irrelevant. A 45 minute walk counts as a day of exercise. Sitting on your ass for 24 hours straight while you recover from yesterday's exertion does not count.

In order for a glucose molecule to enter most body cells, it needs to pass through a transporter molecule. In order for transport molecules to appear on the cell's surface (they aren't always there), an insulin molecule has to bind to a receptor. A cascade starts that brings the transporter to the surface, which then proceeds to pump glucose into the cell.

Daily exercise stimulates your muscle cells to develop more and more insulin receptors. More spots for insulin to bind will yield better glucose uptake for the same amount of insulin. Each hour you go without doing anything results in the cells breaking down and shedding these extra insulin receptors. Blood glucose rises notably in just 12 hours of bed rest.

This is just one of many examples and just 1 small part of the equation. Another example would be each time a glucose molecule enters the cell, it is immediately converted by an enzyme called Hexokinase into a related but different molecule called glucose 6 phosphate. This is important because it allows a cell to maintain virtually no glucose, making glucose eager to flow into the cell along its concentration gradient.

Guess what happens when you are sedentary even for 12 hours.. hexokinase levels plummet. The conversion of glucose into G6P slows down imperceptibly, causing blood glucose levels to rise.

Can you appreciate that none of this has anything to do with the food you are eating? Diabetics are supposed to watch what they eat because blood sugar spikes cause nerve and tissue damage, not because doing so actually contributes to the reversal of the disease.

 

[-joe-]

OP, I don't know what's wrong with you, but I think we should continue trying to diagnose you over the internet, posting articles from EMDs, and videos from the Institute of Pseudoscience.