We're Fucked...I think. Fed Court sides with Big Telecom



this is one of the many reasons why you shouldn't let your isp know what sites you visit
 
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Nah. We're fine, but maybe there will a short interruption to "usual."

Assuming an appeal fails, the FCC will simply reclassify ISPs from their current status as an "information service provider" and classify them as a "common carrier", which is what they should be classified as at this point anyway. Then net neutrality rules apply and all is well in the republic.

ISPs over played their hand here. Ultimately, the only thing they are going to achieve with this fight is losing their exemptions to common carrier status when it comes to broadband services. They saw a tree, but missed the rest of the forest and the wolves hiding within.
 
If the FCC could've just declared broadband providers as common carriers, they would've done so years ago. I'm pretty sure it requires Congress to codify it, which ain't gonna happen any time soon given the Republican majority in the House and how deeply the lobbying pockets of Big Telecom and the MAFIAA are.
 
If the government would remove the entry barriers for competition, there wouldn't be any need for net neutrality. As it is, we're forced to do business with companies who receive monopoly privileges. Then when those companies act with impunity because they know there won't be any real consumer repercussions, the consumers run to the very assholes for help who gave the companies the monopoly privileges in the first place. Keep voting your side of the aisle, because we love chasing our tails in the western world.
 
If the government would remove the entry barriers for competition, there wouldn't be any need for net neutrality. As it is, we're forced to do business with companies who receive monopoly privileges. Then when those companies act with impunity because they know there won't be any real consumer repercussions, the consumers run to the very assholes for help who gave the companies the monopoly privileges in the first place. Keep voting your side of the aisle, because we love chasing our tails in the western world.

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Why not want barriers of entry removed AND net neutrality?

Even if it became a free for all, there's no guarantee that the ISPs won't each try to cripple certain online service providers like Netflix or YouTube or torrents or Usenet. Or more likely, ISP A will cripple Netflix while ISP B will cripple YouTube, where all available access points cripple something. There's no guarantee that a white knight ISP will spring up that is actually free and open. That's why we still need Net Neutrality codified regardless.
 


Actually, when you put it that way, those sites will be shooting themselves in the foot.

I suspect the problem will be that ISPs will throttle bandwidth to little sites, while big sites pay to be unthrottled... kinda like they already do with inboxing / spam folders. Pay the ISP(s) to be whitelisted? No? Then we'll make your site unbearably slow or annoying.

I like to place trust in consumer choice, but there's clearly an incentive for cartel behavior among backbones.
 
Gotta get your grind on. Soon enough, if you aren't born with blue blood or haven't gone to a top college and networked, starting a business will be all but impossible.
 
I suspect the problem will be that ISPs will throttle bandwidth to little sites, while big sites pay to be unthrottled... kinda like they already do with inboxing / spam folders. Pay the ISP(s) to be whitelisted? No? Then we'll make your site unbearably slow or annoying.


I want to change that to unbearably slow, annoying, or completely ineffective.

Verizon, for instance, already adds their IP range to spamhaus.

They blacklist themselves, not allowing anyone to remove their individual IP address from spamhaus. For instance...

Outbound Email Policy of Verizon Online for this IP range: It is the policy of Verizon Online that unauthenticated email sent from this IP address should be sent out only via the designated outbound mail server allocated to Verizon Online customers. To find the hostname of the correct mail server to use, customers should consult the original signup documentation or contact Verizon Online Technical Support.

Removal Procedure Removal of IP addresses within this range from the PBL is not allowed by the netblock owner's policy.

So for their individual customers, they already make it difficult for their customers to use email systems they don't control. Can you have your email provider whitelist you, before you're blackholed? Probably. Can you pay them more to put you on an IP that they didn't purposely list on spamhaus? Probably. Does that sound like some sort of shitlord tactic on their part? Yes, I'm fairly sure.

Customers pay them for "internet access," and they intentionally make it difficult for said customers to use email services that they don't control. Why? I understand there are spam wars going on, but that looks like a bullshit money making tactic to me. If you have an email provider willing to authenticate you and send your email, wtf does Verizon care?

Just to be clear... I have no email spam issues happening here... I ran across this issue while helping someone figure out why they couldn't send regular emails from their company's email system - while they were working from home.