Internet Marketing Just got Worse Today (Net Neutrality Rules Approved)

So according to EFF, the FCC isn't implementing the new rules yet, and have extended a 4 month window to garner comments. I'm a bit confused by the language of the article, because it's contrary to what I've previously read... The article says the rules are still under consideration and pay-to-play isn't off the table, according to FCC chief Wheeler.

Here's the article:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/05/fcc-hears-public-outcry-continues-consider-pay-play-rules


and here is the actual proposal from the FCC:

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0515/DOC-327104A1.pdf
 


Don't understand why you are all complaining about 'moats' for your properties. Step up your game or die.

I'm speaking strictly from a business perspective, on a individual level this is one sad day.
It's easy to say if you're already making good money online. For the people still trying to make it or trying to enter into it, the barrier to entry becomes much higher, more difficult and more expensive. The reason IM is so great is because it's not like a conventional brick and mortar business where you pay rent for your store, all you pay is cheap hosting, this is just another hand in your wallet.

Lack of net neutrality makes internet entrepreneurship less viable for those without high initial bankrolls and rewards veterans who have already milked the cash cow and have experience with building an online business.
 
What in the hellgod in heaven. Why bother quoting me.

Let me break it down:

Money has not corrupted our politics.

Individuals have become corrupt.

Government won't care about the petition because they aren't there to help you; they are there to help themselves. In fact, there is no such thing as government, only individuals within an organization called "{insert nation-state} Government" - And they have two purposes: To self perpetuate the organization they are part of, and individual advancement.

Your posts seem to demonize certain social factions ('corporations' aka individuals that identify themselves as part of an organization called a corporation 'corrupting the gov' with money) and not see the real underlying issue: Corrupt individuals.

No super pack, no government, no lobby will change the underlying issue: Individuals who are looking for short sighted gains in their social status and therefore their comforts.

Now you have two choices: you can try to escape the corruption and live like a primitive person in the woods, with all the disadvantages that includes (surely nothing is free) or you can join the rat race and try to get on top. Within the rat race you can be the best individual possible. And if you get to the top, you will be able to excert the most change in the world through your resources, but it all starts with you. That is the only way to change the world:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vz6iwV38U"]Michael Jackson-Man in the mirror lyrics - YouTube[/ame]
 
Am I the only one salivating at finding an angle to make $$$ from this?

"Cable companies hate him. Find out his quick trick that gets you in the internet fast lane for free!"
 
You guys should stop questioning this stuff and follow the laws laid out for us. The people with the money know what they are doing. Rules are for everyone and you should let them do what's best for us all.
 
Let me break it down:

Money has not corrupted our politics.

Individuals have become corrupt.

Government won't care about the petition because they aren't there to help you; they are there to help themselves. In fact, there is no such thing as government, only individuals within an organization called "{insert nation-state} Government" t.

Your posts seem to demonize certain social factions ('corporations' aka individuals that identify themselves as part of an organization called a corporation 'corrupting the gov' with money) and not see the real underlying issue: Corrupt individuals.

No super pack, no government, no lobby will change the underlying issue: Individuals who are looking for short sighted gains in their social status and therefore their comforts.

Now you have two choices: you can try to escape the corruption and live like a primitive person in the woods, with all the disadvantages that includes (surely nothing is free) or you can join the rat race and try to get on top. Within the rat race you can be the best individual possible. And if you get to the top, you will be able to excert the most change in the world through your resources, but it all starts with you. That is the only way to change the world:
Michael Jackson-Man in the mirror lyrics - YouTube

Fuck that, politicians are puppets, bought and sold. Individuals my ass
 
There's nothing wrong with allowing cable companies the freedom to "segregate users" and create a caste system based on an ability to pay. That's essentially the same freedom mobile providers (Verizon, Sprint, etc.) enjoy with regard to pricing their respective plans. In a free market, that same freedom would be considered a given regardless of industry.

The problem with cable is that, like telecom, it's a regulated monopoly (a fact that music4mic already implied). The cable companies have been granted the right by municipal governments to be among the few select providers - and sometimes the only provider - in a given area. (Admittedly, that's an oversimplification. Here's an old article that describes the process by which this happens. To say the process is convoluted is an understatement.)

Once a regulated monopoly has been established, the companies that have been granted the right to "serve" the community are essentially protected from competition. They can do pretty much anything they want as long as they avoid stimulating the ire of their regulatory masters (politicians). Customers have few options due to the monopoly created by their elected leaders.

Net neutrality seeks to obligate cable companies to provide equal access across the board. That's a very populist notion. Everyone hates their cable providers. They feel like they're getting screwed by them. So most folks support the idea of forcing the cable companies - i.e. the "bad guys" - to provide equal internet access at the cost of their profits.

But people were actually screwed a long time ago by their governments. That's how the cable providers came to enjoy their monopoly (i.e. protected) status in the first place. Asking those same governments to pass laws designed to force cable companies to provide equal access is dismissing the role that regulation played in creating the problem.

There are economic reasons to hate net neutrality laws. But those reasons are all but irrelevant given that so many folks have been bamboozled by simple chicanery on the part of their leaders.

TL;DR: (My take) Government uses regulations to create monopolies. Once the monopolies are established, Government removes certain limitations that allow them to operate much like many competing companies in a free market would operate.

Say a new company ran an ad like...

"Don't watch Netflix? Then why pay for it? Our plans Start At $1 per month, only pay for what you use. Our average customer spends $9 per month on high-speed internet service. How much could you save by switching?"

Think that company would provide a ton of value and turn a profit? Yeah, considering less than 10% of internet users use Netflix, yet it's over 30% of bandwidth costs. But will they be allowed to compete? Likely not.

Government highly regulates the market. And then gives the monopolies less restrictive regulations that allow them to operate much like the private market would - but since there's no competition there's no incentive for companies to actually "compete" - so they can sell services as they wish without fear of competition.

Government creates problem. Government offers "solution" that makes problem worse. Public blames the private sector for a lack of regulations.

Jake, I'm using the line "bamboozled by simple chicanery" in day-to-day conversation starting tomorrow. I hope you don't mind.
 
The United State Post office offers next day mail, it doesn't their customers from receiving the mail if they go with the standard delivery rate, how is this any different?
 
The anti capitalist sentiment in this thread is hilarious. All that is going to happen, is Comcast will become the next AOL.

John: Hey Bill, my internet is running slow
Bill: Comcast right? Those fucks throttle you, get rid of them
John: Is that so... Alright, who doesn't throttle?

If I own a big fat pipe, let me do whatever the fuck I want with it. If my customers don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.
 
The anti capitalist sentiment in this thread is hilarious. All that is going to happen, is Comcast will become the next AOL.

John: Hey Bill, my internet is running slow
Bill: Comcast right? Those fucks throttle you, get rid of them
John: Is that so... Alright, who doesn't throttle?

If I own a big fat pipe, let me do whatever the fuck I want with it. If my customers don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.

I don't think you're fully understanding what's happening, because what you said is correct yea - but that's not what's happening here.

Many areas you are still only left with 1 provider so there is no competition and other competitors not allowed there
 
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The anti capitalist sentiment in this thread is hilarious. All that is going to happen, is Comcast will become the next AOL.

John: Hey Bill, my internet is running slow
Bill: Comcast right? Those fucks throttle you, get rid of them
John: Is that so... Alright, who doesn't throttle?

If I own a big fat pipe, let me do whatever the fuck I want with it. If my customers don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.

Capitalism doesn't work that well for american internet. Most people have one or two choices of providers. Barrier to entry is too high for any real competition and now they are basically monopolies that are being less regulated which doesn't tend to work out too well for the end users. I wonder how long american internet will be slow and expensive. Google gigabit cant come soon enough.
 
I wonder how long american internet will be slow and expensive.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Couple of comparison points here:

Australia - I had 256k for $120/mo, later upgraded to 4mbit with a 50gig cap for $70/mo. Pings to most international servers... 200ms+

Philippines - Home DSL, $100/mo, 4mbit, unreliable. Office fiber, 40mbit (100mbit burst) for $2,800/mo, unreliable, slow on some international routes (cheapest fiber in the country, wholesale rates)

Suburban Illinois - 4mbit home DSL. Speeds as advertised, pings low, $30/mo. Office internet, 10mbit fiber, $800/mo, low pings, speeds as advertised

San Francisco - Office internet, 10mbit fiber, $400/mo, speeds as advertised

San Francisco East Bay - Home fiber 100mbit, $90/mo, 10ms pings, individual IP's for each device in the house and speeds as advertised

I never paid for any fixed lines, but the internet in Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Laos, Singapore and Malaysia weren't particularly good when it came to international routes. Japan and Korea were semi cheap, but congested as fuck and definitely not as advertised.
 
Not to sound like a dick, but I'm kind of shocked how you don't see it's a big deal and not angry

Seriously, if this makes you angry, you need to change whatever the fuck it is you are currently doing, because you're not making money.

We are not talking fucking $$$$$$$ here, we are talking the cost of $5 per month.

What did 60% of those in aff do when google started talking about site speed back in 2010/11?

When we was all on shitty Hostgator hosting, most of switched to custom servers, the cost was considerably a LOT more than the shitty $5 shared plan.

But the trade off was this: Stay on the shitty shared plan or migrate a top speed dedi.

What I'm trying to say is, if you cant see that this potential change is a "cost of business" then you have more issues than whether or not and IF or not this ever goes through, will ever solve.

I seriously don't see how this affects any of us, even those making small bank can afford an extra $5 or whatever it's going to be ffs.
 
Guys can we just drop this discussion and get back to what really matters in this world...

mGrunin's trading thread.
 
Seriously, if this makes you angry, you need to change whatever the fuck it is you are currently doing, because you're not making money.

We are not talking fucking $$$$$$$ here, we are talking the cost of $5 per month.

What did 60% of those in aff do when google started talking about site speed back in 2010/11?

When we was all on shitty Hostgator hosting, most of switched to custom servers, the cost was considerably a LOT more than the shitty $5 shared plan.

But the trade off was this: Stay on the shitty shared plan or migrate a top speed dedi.

What I'm trying to say is, if you cant see that this potential change is a "cost of business" then you have more issues than whether or not and IF or not this ever goes through, will ever solve.

I seriously don't see how this affects any of us, even those making small bank can afford an extra $5 or whatever it's going to be ffs.

You clearly haven't read anything anyone has said.