Pot

[Fatbat]

They have had this for a long time, but now you don't get the urine or breath option.

Yeah, I still think the breathalyzer gets used in a lot of places in the field, does in the UK for example, and if you blow over they'll take you to jail where they will test your blood because it's more accurate.

Was watching some CBS Reality trash TV the other night, Vegas Jailhouse or some shit was on, and they had a guy in for DUI that they had a team surrounding him ready to hold him down to take the blood by force if required.

 

[Ascerbic]

They have a test now for whether or not you're high? How does that work?

I always thought it was impossible? You can't tell if someone is stoned on not like you can with a breathalyzer. Well, you can tell if someone is stoned, but you can't obtain evidence about it. They can force you to take a piss test for THC, but that doesn't prove anything for the time in question when you were pulled over.

Is there maybe new technology out there nowadays? I'm guessing not, and assuming that's why nobody was getting charged during their little campaign. Was just scare tactics. They can't arrest you for being high behind the wheel, because there's no evidence to prove it in court.

A common preliminary roadside test is a saliva swab. No need for an invasive blood test. Welcome to the 21st century

 

[sennin436]

pretty eye-opening cnn news special I caught last night re: medical marijuana. (I think this was originally aired in March).

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsuhMw_ZWeg"]Weed 2:Cannabis Madness ~ Dr Sanjay Gupta Reports - YouTube[/ame]

Used to naively think that "medical marijuana" was just a clever political angle/tactic that potheads were using in trying to legalize pot. That there was very little honest or genuine medical use for it. Guess i was wrong. :rasta:

 

[shindig]

Oh man, first WA state customer of recreational marijuana gets drug tested next day after being on cover of newspaper lol....

Mike Boyer, who was featured prominently in newspaper and TV reports, said he was told to take a drug test today, according to the Spokesman-Review.

Boyer was featured on the cover of this morning’s edition of the Spokesman-Review. Boyer told the paper he believes he’ll fail his drug test because he smoked the pot yesterday afternoon.

The man who bought Spokane's first recreational marijuana expects to be fired | The Evergreen | Seattle Times

 

[MonetaryGains]

Will be in Amsterdam in a couple weeks. They have an interesting system where by pots illegal but tolerated in certain cafes and your own home (I believe).
I love Europe

 

[Fatbat]

Will be in Amsterdam in a couple weeks. They have an interesting system where by pots illegal but tolerated in certain cafes and your own home (I believe).

^^^ Thanks Captain Obvious!

 

[AdamC]

does in the UK for example, and if you blow over they'll take you to jail where they will test your blood because it's more accurate.

No, if you blow over in the UK, you are taken to a police station (not a jail) where you give a sample to a more accurate breathalyser, if you fail that by a margin that is enough evidence for a conviction in the UK. If you're close to the limit they can still use this as evidence against you if involved in an accident or something more serious than a roadside test, at this point you can opt for blood/urine test, which can only work in your favour as it wont read higher than a breathalyser.

However, in any case, you can refuse point blank and they cannot force you, although you'd be committing an offence.

 

[Grindstone]

The man who bought Spokane's first recreational marijuana expects to be fired | The Evergreen | Seattle Times

Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, buddy. Can't hate on the company, if they have rules forbidding MJ use (typically for an insurance discount) and one of their employees is on the front page of the paper with circulation approaching 100k/day, they'd be remiss to not take action before their insurance carrier took action on them. Stupid is as stupid does. Legal != allowable by your employer. Right, Josh Gordon?

But yeah, legalize it everywhere, tax the shit out of it, then work on an exportation plan. If Al Queda can get funded slinging a little heroin, imagine what wide spread weed industrialization + global exportation processes could do for the 'MERKIN economic situation.

 

[Fatbat]

No, if you blow over in the UK, you are taken to a police station (not a jail) where you give a sample to a more accurate breathalyser, if you fail that by a margin that is enough evidence for a conviction in the UK. If you're close to the limit they can still use this as evidence against you if involved in an accident or something more serious than a roadside test, at this point you can opt for blood/urine test, which can only work in your favour as it wont read higher than a breathalyser.

However, in any case, you can refuse point blank and they cannot force you, although you'd be committing an offence.

Sorry, should have separated my thoughts there a bit better. I was just speaking about the breathalyzer part in referring to the UK, but the mandatory blood test is an American thing for sure. I've seen enough Road Wars, Traffic Cops, and whatnot on crappy satellite TV to know better.

And yeah, refuse the blood test and you're pretty much admitting guilt from what I understand.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

From what a DUI lawyer told me, if I'm ever stuck in a situation where I'm pulled over for drinking and driving just say "take me to jail" and call him/DUI lawyer for the best chance of getting out of it. Anything else is fail.

I don't even drink though, just thought I would mention it for all the DUI talk in here now.

 

[dreamache]

tax the shit out of it

wat? No. no.

 

[shindig]

If it costs more than $200-$250/ounce then people will just buy it underground, in which case there is 0 money paid in taxes.

The clusterfuck here in WA is merging the recreational law that just passed with the medical law that's been in effect since the 90's....There are many hundreds of dispensaries that have been open for 3+ years under the medical law for medical patients, while the "recreational" pot has to be bought from one of 50 state-run stores....

The medical law that's been around for more than a decade allows 24 ounces and 15 plants for anyone with a medical card, with a max of 45 plants in any 1 garden (if growing for 3 patients).

The "recreational" law allows for possession of 1 ounce and only licensed growers can grow.

The dispensaries still won't sell to anyone without a medical card, and they sell for a lot cheaper than the state stores...

So it's pretty fucked up currently.

 

[dmnEPC]

Why is it easier to get a pound of weed,and or cocaine, then it is to get a Cuban cigar? Put that in your pipe and smoke it

 

[EricVonDoobie]

From what a DUI lawyer told me, if I'm ever stuck in a situation where I'm pulled over for drinking and driving just say "take me to jail" and call him/DUI lawyer for the best chance of getting out of it. Anything else is fail.

I don't even drink though, just thought I would mention it for all the DUI talk in here now.

Another trick is to pull over, get out of the car, open a beer in full view of the officer and chug it. If all else fails...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU97w2DH5mc"]Tommy Boy Bees! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Antics]

Why is it easier to get a pound of weed,and or cocaine, then it is to get a Cuban cigar? Put that in your pipe and smoke it

Because the demand for those cigars is far lower so the incentive to smuggle them isn't nearly as widespread, leading to a far lower level of available contraband in the US?

 

[GerardWon]

Almost voted for RP... lol yeah I'm fucking sure his head ain't up his ass.

I stand by my statement - but for sure there are exceptions to every rule

My dad has never even smoked cigarettes, prior to retiring, he was a doctor, and senior partner at his practice. He is for the legalisation of all drugs, weed included.

And remember: Pass the Dutchie pon the left hand side

 

[Grindstone]

wat? No. no.

Yes. The economy isn't some magical little fairy land where everything is made fine because we want it to be ok.

Face facts: the socialist state is here. Freeloading douchebags breed like maggots and are only going to require more social services to keep them alive. Now multiply this for generations to come.

Big government will never yield it's centralized power by relinquishing it's monetary power position.

So either people like (some of) us can either pay an ever increasing income tax penalty for "the good of the masses" or they can come up with alternate tax revenue.

It's not like this giant fucking economic mess is going anywhere anytime soon and it's not like the American people will actually stand up and lead an armed revolt like so many of you dearly wish for (probably not that cool of an idea if one were to think it through...#justsaying) so if the options are higher personal income tax (on the 20% left paying it) or all the poor stoners have to give $10 back out of their welfare checks when they buy that eighth, sorry bro, I like my wallet more than I care about yours.

Rich potheads won't give a fuck, they'll be buying primo grade medicinal for what ultimately will be less than street prices, once the supply and demand curves settle out.

In a perfect world, our government wouldn't be corrupt and wasteful and we could discuss options that were both logical and in the interest of the greater good. That's not the reality we exist in, as nice as that sounds.

I've personally authorized turning rotors on ten heli's at taxpayer expense for no reason more than to keep the contractors happy because rotor time = $$$ and unhappy helicopter owners are little bitches. Nice way to waste 30 thousand dollars.

I've seen $25k worth of shit bulldozed into a pile and burned because "getting it out of here is too much work" and "if we don't spend it this year, we won't get the same budget next year anyway".

Monsters like that require constant feeding. I'm not naive enough to think that it'll ever diminish our tax burden but if it slows the expansion of it because of alternate monies becoming available, well, sometimes not losing is a win.

Plus more tax revenue = more welfare checks = more people buying shit that they don't need = better affiliate monies.

Inb4 statist spotted...

 

[greenleaves]

First, I love grind's post, awesome, pure logic vs idealistic rhetoric.

Why is it easier to get a pound of weed,and or cocaine, then it is to get a Cuban cigar? Put that in your pipe and smoke it

First, profitability.
Weed and cocaine are cheap to produce compared to a fine cuban cigar.
Also, there are high quality, low cost non-cuban cigars. So smugglers can only make so much per cigar (a single cuban can weight an once, try selling a single cigar for $300... you'll sell a few, but how many?)

Second, economies of scale related to the % of cuban cigar smokers vs % of weed smokers.
Few people want illegal cuban cigars vs marijuana. Small scale means necessarily higher margins for smugglers, and then you run into a problem mentioned in point 1, non-cuban alternatives.

Third, frequency of consumption:
Many marijuana smokers consume frequently, cigar smokers less so. It only takes 1 min to take a toke. It takes 1-2 hours to smoke a good cigar.

Fourth, distribution of target audience.
If you bring in 10 kilos of weed to even a tiny town, you can sell that within a short period of time. In any given town, there is a high concentration of weed smokers. This is not so with cuban cigar smokers.

Fifth, easy of importation and storage:
Marijuana and cocaine when shipped are shipped in waterproof, air tight packaging and a compressed so that one kilo takes up as little space as possible and can be kept virtually anywhere. This is not the case with cuban cigars.

Sixth, you are wrong, it is easy to buy cuban cigars:
Google it.

 

[cabezon]

Yes. The economy isn't some magical little fairy land where everything is made fine because we want it to be ok.

Face facts: the socialist state is here. Freeloading douchebags breed like maggots and are only going to require more social services to keep them alive. Now multiply this for generations to come.

Big government will never yield it's centralized power by relinquishing it's monetary power position.

So either people like (some of) us can either pay an ever increasing income tax penalty for "the good of the masses" or they can come up with alternate tax revenue.

It's not like this giant fucking economic mess is going anywhere anytime soon and it's not like the American people will actually stand up and lead an armed revolt like so many of you dearly wish for (probably not that cool of an idea if one were to think it through...#justsaying) so if the options are higher personal income tax (on the 20% left paying it) or all the poor stoners have to give $10 back out of their welfare checks when they buy that eighth, sorry bro, I like my wallet more than I care about yours.

Rich potheads won't give a fuck, they'll be buying primo grade medicinal for what ultimately will be less than street prices, once the supply and demand curves settle out.

In a perfect world, our government wouldn't be corrupt and wasteful and we could discuss options that were both logical and in the interest of the greater good. That's not the reality we exist in, as nice as that sounds.

I've personally authorized turning rotors on ten heli's at taxpayer expense for no reason more than to keep the contractors happy because rotor time = $$$ and unhappy helicopter owners are little bitches. Nice way to waste 30 thousand dollars.

I've seen $25k worth of shit bulldozed into a pile and burned because "getting it out of here is too much work" and "if we don't spend it this year, we won't get the same budget next year anyway".

Monsters like that require constant feeding. I'm not naive enough to think that it'll ever diminish our tax burden but if it slows the expansion of it because of alternate monies becoming available, well, sometimes not losing is a win.

Plus more tax revenue = more welfare checks = more people buying shit that they don't need = better affiliate monies.

Inb4 statist spotted...

Well said. Not to mention, one of the best ways to get state and local governments on board and undermine the Feds is to let them witness first hand all those juicy, delicious millions they'll have to play with when they legalize and tax weed.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Sixth, you are wrong, it is easy to buy cuban cigars:

Yeah shit, it's easy. You just need a friend in Canada to mail you some.

For those who don't know, most cigar shops in Canada know full well what does and does not get through US customs. So they'll have the appropriate boxes and packaging for their Cubans, to help ensure they get through.