Anyone else hate not being a programmer?
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Yeah, apparently I rustled his jimmies.
I honestly don't give a fuck enough to get into a back-and-forth though.
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And that is why you're a walking joke.
You run your mouth, get called on it, then slink away claiming you can't be fucked.
And the times you do attempt to defend your argument, all you end up proving is you're congealed failure.
You, I and every other developer on WF knows the only way you make money is by selling shit code to people who don't know any better.
Feel free to post butthurt gifs though, since that is pretty much the only thing of value you contribute to WF and the world in general.
Word of advice, you should refrain from talking about enterprise systems since the only role you have in building an enterprise system is getting the fucking coffee.
Alright, then Mr. Hot Shot. Prove yourself. Provide us some code, or an online app that you've developed, and let us pick it apart.
You talk a big game, so prove it.
You talk a big game, so prove it.
Better yet, let's go head to head.
Others in this thread can decide on the what the app does and we both have 24 hours to build it.
Or are you going to tell me your time to too valuable or some other bullshit excuse?
We already did this, and I kicked your ass. Don't you remember? The RSS reader.
I was the only person to put up something that could actually be sent to a client. Only issue was my design looked like shit. You put up some front-end parallax shit, that didn't have any back-end, etc.
But sure, if you want, let's do it up again. Give me about 72 hours to start though, because that'll be the start of my long deserved vacation. This time around though, my design will actually look good though, as theme implmentation is done now.
Lol, no one would call that client ready, but sure if you say so.
Don't know who you're talking about but that wasn't me, mine worked.
Although I will be the first to admit that the last entry was the best, can't remember who did it though.
That was MVP and client ready.
Ok, I can handle that.
Anyone have suggestions for the app or want in on this pissing contest?
You're taking the piss right?
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y do u feel asp.net is bad? just coz its deployed on windows servers? Windows hosting isn't that expensive and if using asp.net u want to set up a dev. shop thats a good thing to get work from people who are already paying more for servers, so maybe not very stingy but clients who like to pay better for productivity and quality.
The benefit of asp.net is vast libraries and different models compatibility. I dont get what it isn't go for you feel. It pretty much covers/supports every thing in web application development.
Lets forget ms here for a while and just treat asp.net on its merits.
do you feel any decent and competent web application developer from bangladesh, India or any such countries who has decent communication skills and able to transform your business problem into a working solution or take ur specification and convert in into a decent workable solution would charge anything less then $15-20/hr?
$2 or even $10 do you feel u gonna get anyone even in the poorest country without a multiple times management overhead?
Lets talk about you. You have excellent web application development skills in asp.net and decent communication skills.
So even though 400 $2 workers r around you, dont u feel if u gonna pitch ur bids on the worst freelancing platforms with your portfolio of completed excellent optimized projects, the clients that have some quality sense wont take notice of the work and the way you talk.
A lot of times clients wont hire you coz ur lets say under $10 or $20 coz that resembles quality in many cases.
Ok so lets say specialization in asp.net mvc is no speciality. Do you feel anything under asp.net mvc is a spciality? like razor, web service, something that actually requires some coding and development.
Or keeping languages aside any other niche in Non-Front End Web Application Development?
You mean Indian programmers by tears?
ASP.NET Forms is dead (thank god).
ASP.NET Razor is dead (meh).
These things exist in legacy but apart from that no one cares.
The only thing that matters when it comes to ASP.NET is the WebAPI and that has bee completely rewritten for ASP.NET 5 to be more like Node.js (sweet).
Frontend is all Angular or Ember and that has no relation to the backend.
If you're going to specialize, focus on one stack and do that well.
But it depends on who you are going to be working for and what you're going to be building.
No one can tell you what is the "best" because no one knows what you're going to be doing.
Thanks.
asp.net mvc still has a strong hold and still growing maybe?
r u sure razor is dead?
Web Api is growing.
Does c# have a major role in asp.net?
So the stack would look like C#/SQL server, ASP.Net MVC + Web Api,EF, Javascript, Angular,.
Anything more to this stack?
asp.net vNext seems to be getting more open source and integrating node.js features and flexible without IIS.
being a ms product doesnt make it better.
but I feel being a ms product should not be the reason to ignore it either.
should be treated in an unbiased way and on merit.
The problem with full stack asp.net is that its too huge n complex. And there doesnt seem any specific area in it to specialize in.
Don't know if it is the same with Ruby/Rails n Python/Django.
being a ms product doesnt make it better.
but I feel being a ms product should not be the reason to ignore it either.
should be treated in an unbiased way and on merit.
The problem with full stack asp.net is that its too huge n complex. And there doesnt seem any specific area in it to specialize in.
Don't know if it is the same with Ruby/Rails n Python/Django.
If you want to sit in a cubicle 9-5 banging out code for $40k/year, then yeah, ASP.net would probably be a good route to take.
Look around at the millions of dev projects out there though. None of them are done in ASP.net, and there's a reason for that. If you're really stuck on a language to learn, go with Python. It's a very versatile language, and extremely popular, so it's tough to go wrong with.
Look around at the millions of dev projects out there though. None of them are done in ASP.net, and there's a reason for that. If you're really stuck on a language to learn, go with Python. It's a very versatile language, and extremely popular, so it's tough to go wrong with.
It's very strong and getting stronger. If you learn ASP.NET you wont have trouble getting work.
If you want to compete with other web apps then yes, it's all angular and ember these days.
Microsoft knows this, hence the major shift in ASP.NET 5 (vNext).
C# gets the most love from Microsoft whe it comes to ASP.NET, but you're not limited to C#.
People like Kiopa_Matt will tell you ASP.NET is shit and don't use it, but they are ignorant retards.
You can use ASP.NET to build apps in Python (Iron Python) or Ruby (IronRuby).
.NET is an extremely flexible framework.
EF is probably something you need to know, since a lot of people use it, but I would also learn a lighter ORM like dapper as well.
Also look at adding Azure to your stack. You might not need to use it all the time, but understanding it will give you more flexibility.
Apart from that, your stack is fine.
I prefer Ember over Angular but thats just personal taste.
ASP.NET 5 (vNext) just opens up the ability to execute a web app on any platform you choose.
Want IIS, no problem.
Want nginx, no problem.
Want standalone server like Node.js, no problem.
Take it a piece at a time, it's not that hard to learn.
Just specialize in being good at what you do, you'll soon realize what stacks you need to focus on.
I swear you're just trolling now...
Next you say that PHP isn't a dying language and that learning PHP will mean having a long and healthy career.
Can't wait to see your entry in the pissing contest, there is a reason you didn't post screenshots in the last one.
do you mean freelance asp.net developers or small asp.net dev shops have problems getting work?
does that apply to freelance work as a solo developer and small dev shops as well and not just 9-5?
Thanks a lot for the detailed reply.
I'm sure ASP.net work exists out there, but just look at a) what other web sites use as their back-end, and b) any of the 5000 job boards out there, and see what skills people are looking for. ASP.net is pretty far down on both of those lists.
Expedia is one the site I can think of which uses ASP, but that's about it. Google tends to prefer Python / C++, Amazon uses a combo of C++ / Java / Perl / Python / Ruby, Reddit uses Python, Facebook uses C++ / their own compiled version of PHP, and so on. Or check out smaller sites -- Wickedfire for example would be PHP based.
All I'm saying is you don't see a lot of sites powered by ASP.net out there. Again, if I was just entering the dev world and picking a language, I would go with Python. It's an extremely powerful, easy to learn & read, versatile language that can be used for pretty near anything. Whether you need to do a web app framework, or a GUI desktop app, or a multi-threaded bot of some kind -- Python can do the job!