Got a Western Digital, Seagate or Toshiba hard drive? Da NSA owns you!

I'm not arguing with the article I am saying that, yet again, Kiopa_Matt is reading things totally wrong and allowing his misinterpretation to back his conspiracy theories and passing this misinformation on to other similarly weak minded individuals.

I thought his comments were more tongue in cheek than literally believing every computer in the world is bugged, but perhaps I'm wrong?
 


I thought his comments were more tongue in cheek than literally believing every computer in the world is bugged, but perhaps I'm wrong?

It's the principle of the matter. Back in our parent's day, you went to a court, and got a judge to sign a warrant, then and only then could the govt tap your personal communications.

Nowadays, they just grab it all, and apparently can tap into any HD at their whim. It's already well documented and proven they've tapped basically 100% of all internet communications, so it all flows through their filters. Then they've ensured capabilities allowing them to back door any HD on the planet, and I'm supposed to be ok with this?

I'm a very boring and unimportant person, so it's not like I have anything to hide, but really, what rational individual could possibly agree with this? If George Orwell's 1984 ever came to fruition, it's basically here right and now.
 
Hypothetical Q: If encrypted data is incepted and stored, when quantum computing can brute-force current standards, could the hidden data be recovered?

Depends on the encryption algo used, but standard algos, highly unlikely. People love to spread fear about how insecure current encryption algos are, but reality is, they're extremely secure. Otherwise, you wouldn't have seen Obama & Cameron on the world news about a month ago complaining that they need a back door into our encryption.
 
Otherwise, you wouldn't have seen Obama & Cameron on the world news about a month ago complaining that they need a back door into our encryption.

are you serious? I honestly cannot tell.
 
are you serious? I honestly cannot tell.

Yeah, why? Obviously, they're not sitting around downloading the contents of every HD in the world, but at the same time, it's well proven all internet traffic is passing through their filters. It's also proven they're having a rough time decrypting some communication, as leaked by Snowden, and (basically) proven when Obama & Cameron bitched that we need to do encryption "patriotically"!

It's the fact they're going outside the law, and building in back doors like this that I don't like. I have to follow the law, so they should too, but they don't.
 
It's the principle of the matter. Back in our parent's day, you went to a court, and got a judge to sign a warrant, then and only then could the govt tap your personal communications.

Nowadays, they just grab it all, and apparently can tap into any HD at their whim. It's already well documented and proven they've tapped basically 100% of all internet communications, so it all flows through their filters. Then they've ensured capabilities allowing them to back door any HD on the planet, and I'm supposed to be ok with this?

I'm a very boring and unimportant person, so it's not like I have anything to hide, but really, what rational individual could possibly agree with this? If George Orwell's 1984 ever came to fruition, it's basically here right and now.

See what I mean? What has that got to do with what he quoted from you Fatbat? Sweet F.A. He isn't even reading stuff any more, just probably pulling a couple of words out of what is written and then filling all the gaps in with meaningless drivel in his own head.
 
Depends on the encryption algo used, but standard algos, highly unlikely. People love to spread fear about how insecure current encryption algos are, but reality is, they're extremely secure. Otherwise, you wouldn't have seen Obama & Cameron on the world news about a month ago complaining that they need a back door into our encryption.

I wouldn't assume anything with the power NSA has.


Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper has said the NSA “would not be doing its job” if it didn’t try to defeat encryption, noting that it is used routinely by spies, terrorists and other malefactors.

Current and former officials say the capabilities are used only against legitimate foreign intelligence targets, such as officials of a foreign power or members of a terrorist group.
Moreover, despite sophisticated hardware-assisted partitioning methods such as memory protection, sandboxing or even virtualization, SBPA attacks empower an unprivileged process to successfully attack other processes running in parallel on the same processor.

Thus, we conclude that SBPA attacks are much more dangerous than previously anticipated, as they obviously do not belong to the same category as pure timing attacks.

Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2006/351
 
Hypothetical Q: If encrypted data is incepted and stored, when quantum computing can brute-force current standards, could the hidden data be recovered?

No. The only way to guarantee brute force against strong encryption is to find a polytime algorithm for prime factorization. Quantum computers can't do that for the general case (Shor's Algorithm is BQP). If you can find such an algorithm, you would be world-famous though.

There is also a limit to how much can be stored and still be considered usable data. But it is possible to inspect large amounts of network data if you are looking for things that have certain characteristics.
 
No. The only way to guarantee brute force against strong encryption is to find a polytime algorithm for prime factorization. Quantum computers can't do that for the general case (Shor's Algorithm is BQP). If you can find such an algorithm, you would be world-famous though.

There is also a limit to how much can be stored and still be considered usable data. But it is possible to inspect large amounts of network data if you are looking for things that have certain characteristics.

Turns out this is true. Quantom computers would only be effective at breaking asymmetric encryption. That's a relief.
 
Sorry bro but the scanning technology used to sort mail can also read the contents of the envelope as well. There is no such thing as privacy. The question is does it really matter? You actually have more privacy with mass surveliance than a more targeted approach. It's easier to blend in with the noise. But after its all said and done it doesn't make any difference. If the NSA wants you you're fucked no matter what you do.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intelligence-laundering

A startling new Reuters story shows one of the biggest dangers of the surveillance state: the unquenchable thirst for access to the NSA's trove of information by other law enforcement agencies.

Yeah, and then they'll share it with all the other agencies.
 
Here's the type of reason I don't like this kind of thing:

Anti-Oil Activists Named as National Security Threats Respond to Leaked RCMP Report | VICE | Canada

Apparently, we now have an "anti-petroleum movement" in Canada, which has been labelled as a threat to national security? Ummm, WTF? Is it just me, or does anyone else see a problem with this?

Thankfully, we can tap all the communications and even hard drives on a whim, so don't worry, we're safe from the anti-petroleum movement for now.
 
"we can tap all the communications and even hard drives on a whim"

I'm not arguing with the article I am saying that, yet again, Kiopa_Matt is reading things totally wrong and allowing his misinterpretation to back his conspiracy theories and passing this misinformation on to other similarly weak minded individuals.

You say "Of course every personal computer on the planet isn't compromised" because you are looking at it from a rational point of view, however there are A LOT of people (Kiopa included) who cannot distinguish between reality and their own paranoid fantasies.

And Kiopa_Matt, yet again you are doing what people like you always do, which is give spurious material (or spurious interpretation of material) and then when the fallacies are being pointed out you take some strange position and argue against something that hasn't been said at all e.g. "are you seriously rationalising their actions". When did I rationalise their actions? I am just pointing out that those actions are not what you are saying they are.

Do I think someone should be spying on every move we make? No
Do I think someone IS spying on every move we make? No
 
Well you can all rest easy knowing the NSA is just another incompetent government bureaucracy.

All of their tech is developed by contractors, anyone want to guess why?

Still don't believe they're incompetent? http://nsa.gov

The NSA is the spy equivalent of obamacare, a bloated waste of public money who are staffed by hispeter fucktards that weren't good enough to get jobs in silicon valley.

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If you actually believe your action on the internet cannot be monitored and reviewed, you're living in LA LA LAND.

Uncle Sam is everywhere and nowhere. If they want you, they will find you! While it is possible to confuse and distract what you're doing, the resources to remain completely fool-proof will cost you millions of dollars.

I mean think about it, the Government has capabilities to watch you in your own home while you're jerking-off. They have stuff that can see through almost all walls and roofs.

They've been able to create synthetic "humans" that act and speak like the real thing.

Yes, they have the means to monitor all computers, since most of the technology is from the USA.

Try saying no to the PENTAGON or NSA when they request you help your country. Either you comply, we steal it, we kill you, or we just destroy your company and put you in jail for child porn that just showed up on your computer.

Trust me most of the companies just comply, and then deny everything in public.

Also remember, the best cyber crooks work for the Government, just like the most successful drug dealers have Government liaisons.
 
A startling new Reuters story shows one of the biggest dangers of the surveillance state: the unquenchable thirst for access to the NSA's trove of information by other law enforcement agencies.

Yeah, and then they'll share it with all the other agencies.

Which is actually my biggest fear of all the Snowden "revelations". The "conspiracy" part of me thinks the whole thing was meant to bring the capabilities forward, so the NSA can be pressured to "share" their data with the other agencies. FBI,DEA, DOJ, ect, ect. How could sharing (at least on some level) be anything but inevitable?
 
If you actually believe your action on the internet cannot be monitored and reviewed, you're living in LA LA LAND.

Uncle Sam is everywhere and nowhere. If they want you, they will find you! While it is possible to confuse and distract what you're doing, the resources to remain completely fool-proof will cost you millions of dollars.

I mean think about it, the Government has capabilities to watch you in your own home while you're jerking-off. They have stuff that can see through almost all walls and roofs.

They've been able to create synthetic "humans" that act and speak like the real thing.

Yes, they have the means to monitor all computers, since most of the technology is from the USA.

Try saying no to the PENTAGON or NSA when they request you help your country. Either you comply, we steal it, we kill you, or we just destroy your company and put you in jail for child porn that just showed up on your computer.

Trust me most of the companies just comply, and then deny everything in public.

Also remember, the best cyber crooks work for the Government, just like the most successful drug dealers have Government liaisons.

You have a couple good points wrapped around so much fail. This is why you all get made fun of.