Unarmed black shot in the back by white cop

So your theory is that it's 100% genetic then?

Maybe black people are just really bad at not getting caught for the crimes they commit?

I kid of course.

I don't think either poverty level or race is close enough to imply 100% causation. There are likely a number of cultural, economic, geographic, etc, factors at play. Enough so that there isn't any consensus among researchers that do this for a living.

I find it all incredibly fascinating TBH. The US is so unique for many reasons, its socioeconomical problems not the least of them. Unfortunately it's young black men have a penchant for killing one another in urban tribal warfare over territory and trading rights. Mexicans like to kill each other a lot for similar reasons. I have to wonder if simply ending the war on drugs would help bring about similar averages to the per capita numbers across the races?

It's probably too simplistic a way of looking at things. Besides, what's everyone going to do with themselves when slangin' crack doesn't pay the bills anymore?
 


"Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)"

I don't think either poverty level or race is close enough to imply 100% causation. There are likely a number of cultural, economic, geographic, etc, factors at play. Enough so that there isn't any consensus among researchers that do this for a living.

"Poor urban whites" includes hispanics in the report you linked to. But I don't disagree that the problem is complex and that there are a number of factors at play. The strongest correlation I've ever seen is whether or not the father is present in the household.

In fact, absent fathers are the single greatest predictor of just about every form of fuckuppery. Solve that problem and a lot of this shit goes away. So when you see government (especially liberal poverty pimps) pushing policies that reward having/raising kids in a single mother household, well there's your enemy right there.

Every single election I just shake my head. It's like moths to a flame.
 
What do you think is the cause of so many single mother households within the black community? Or is that a stereotype?

Genuine question.

A counterexample that does show the correlation: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

"Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)"

Problem being that that paper is not talking about perpetrators of violence it is talking about the actual victims of violence.
 
I see the discussion has ventured into the Bell Curve and as such likely won't end well.

One thing I would like to add is that violence is very strongly correlated to intelligence. They've done studies on this in jail. The lower IQ the higher risk you will be violent in jail. This is a controlled environment too.

You have to consider if there is a genetic component because we see the same behavior across Haiti, Detroit, South Africa. I know it's a horrible thing to say and I don't write it to be hateful.

I think, if you looked at Africa having been born without any education on the subject, you'd be shocked at low level of civilization.

Another uncomfortable subject is applied evolution aka eugenicism, which I will strongly state that I am against any kind of forced version of, but the fact is that it's American and Carribean blacks who are winning all track and field medals, not West African blacks.

Why is this? In a reasonable short timeperiod, there was an immense evolutionary pressure on those people. First of all, to just survive getting to the US required you to be very healthy, I think it was not uncommon for a third to die. Second, surviving the extremely harsh working conditions. This is evolution and this inspired the eugenicist movement, which was primarily an American movement just hijacked by the Nazis and others.

Eugenicism is obviously and categorically wrong if it's the forced, 1920s kind, however a soft eugenicism is already in place by economic incentives and cultural incentives.

Since I recognize that evolution is real, also on humans, we need to have societies which favor those among us with high intelligence and high sociability. To my best opinion, that kind of society is a low tax, minarchist society based on meritocracy and social and cultural cohesion.

I also think African countries should seriously consider outsourcing government to European or American companies. Simply hire them to run shit, set up education, set up infrastructure, set up trading. There needs to be ways for the clever people living in squalor in South Africa to get an education and get power, without having to escape to the US and London. We see this in how Nigerian expats and immigrants to the US do very well, these are the people who should be in power in their own countries.
 
What do you think is the cause of so many single mother households within the black community? Or is that a stereotype?

Genuine question.

Welfare. If a woman has a kid and there's no support from the father, then the taxpayer pays. The mother gets free housing, free medical, free food, daycare subsidies, etc until the child is 18. The incentive is to have enough kids so you never have to work. Just pop out another one and your benefits are extended aother 18 years.

It seems to be a cultural thing in the ghetto. Moms tell their daughters to get knocked up, so they can get their own apartment. The woman in the video below grew up in that environment and thinks it's a secret that most blacks don't want to get out. She's a critic of it. She managed to get out the vicious circle and get an education.

FYI: EBT stands for Electronic Benefits Transfer. It's a debit that the taxpayer loads with money every month. They used to give these moochers food stamps but that was shameful.

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So the % of single mother households within the number of people who are welfare recipients should be more or less equally split between blacks and whites?
 
I think that there should be law on how much kids you can have, and it would depend on how well you can educate him and pay for his life, or maybe it should depend on is this family normal or is it likely for parents to divorce.. Problem is that poor or criminals are making children 10 times more than rich people.
 
So the % of single mother households within the number of people who are welfare recipients should be more or less equally split between blacks and whites?

No. The percentage of black single mother households on welfare is greater than white households. Also, there aren't even numbers of whites and blacks in the US. Whites are about 70% (at most) and blacks are 13% of the population.
 
No. The percentage of black single mother households on welfare is greater than white households. Also, there aren't even numbers of whites and blacks in the US. Whites are about 70% (at most) and blacks are 13% of the population.

From what I have seen there are approximately the same number of blacks and whites on welfare in the US (38% vs 39%), if this is the case and if its the case that welfare is causing single parent families as you have suggested then there should be an even number of single mother white families as black ones if you are looking solely at people who are on welfare (not in the whole of the US).

I am not suggesting this is the case, but for your suggestion that its a welfare issue rather than something else then the statistics should hold this out. And if they do then the cause of single mother families is more likely a welfare/poverty issue rather than a black issue.
 
Another uncomfortable subject is applied evolution aka eugenicism, which I will strongly state that I am against any kind of forced version of, but the fact is that it's American and Carribean blacks who are winning all track and field medals, not West African blacks.

Why is this? In a reasonable short timeperiod, there was an immense evolutionary pressure on those people. First of all, to just survive getting to the US required you to be very healthy, I think it was not uncommon for a third to die. Second, surviving the extremely harsh working conditions. This is evolution and this inspired the eugenicist movement, which was primarily an American movement just hijacked by the Nazis and others.

Eugenicism is obviously and categorically wrong if it's the forced, 1920s kind, however a soft eugenicism is already in place by economic incentives and cultural incentives.
Just to add, some historians/socialists also hypothesize that those who survived the harsh conditions of slavery not only had a strong physique, but likely had a disposition most commonly associated with ppl with a low IQ. Psychological descriptions of slaves often mentioned in history were: 'happy go lucky', childish, didnt think about the future (since you really had none, now that you were a lifetime slave. hmmm.."didnt think about the future" correlates strongly with low intelligence.). Anyone with a normal-to-high IQ would become insane, suicidal, revolt, etc, if they were forced to become a slave for the rest of their lives. So you're killed off since you're of no use as a slave.

Normal U.S. Immigration Policy is Good?- putting aside the double-standard mexican immigration issue for a moment ;) From what I understand, you need to prove you will contribute as a productive citizen in order to immigrate to the U.S. . African immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
African immigrants like many other immigrant groups are likely to establish and find success in small businesses. Many Africans that have seen the social and economic stability that comes from ethnic enclaves such as Chinatowns have recently been establishing ethnic enclaves of their own at much higher rates to reap the benefits of such communities.[16] Such examples include Little Ethiopia in Los Angeles and Little Senegal in New York City.
I hear most African immigrants are soft spoken, introverted, and intelligent. I also hear that they don't get along very well with Black Americans (natives). Cultural and psychological differences? Normal-to-high IQ vs Low IQ mindset/values? Both are 'black' biologically. I hear the same with West Indies immigration policies. You need to show you can contribute (be entrepreneurial) and have $$ ($50k?) to come into the country. Once again, very resourceful. very different form the natives (black american culture). yet both are black genetically. It's Nurture, folks. Or selective immigration. ;)
 
Just to add, some historians/socialists also hypothesize that those who survived the harsh conditions of slavery not only had a strong physique, but likely had a disposition most commonly associated with ppl with a low IQ. Psychological descriptions of slaves often mentioned in history were: 'happy go lucky', childish, didnt think about the future (since you really had none, now that you were a lifetime slave. hmmm.."didnt think about the future" correlates strongly with low intelligence.). Anyone with a normal-to-high IQ would become insane, suicidal, revolt, etc, if they were forced to become a slave for the rest of their lives. So you're killed off since you're of no use as a slave.

Normal U.S. Immigration Policy is Good?- putting aside the double-standard mexican immigration issue for a moment ;) From what I understand, you need to prove you will contribute as a productive citizen in order to immigrate to the U.S. . African immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I hear most African immigrants are soft spoken, introverted, and intelligent. I also hear that they don't get along very well with Black Americans (natives). Cultural and psychological differences? Normal-to-high IQ vs Low IQ mindset/values? Both are 'black' biologically. I hear the same with West Indies immigration policies. You need to show you can contribute (be entrepreneurial) and have $$ ($50k?) to come into the country. Once again, very resourceful. very different form the natives (black american culture). yet both are black genetically. It's Nurture, folks. Or selective immigration. ;)

I do think the slave owners practiced eugenicism for low levels of intelligence. They also forcefully 'bred' strong males with strong females. It's a dark part of history for a reason but it does prove that human evolution actually happens quite quickly.

We also have to remember that there were a handful of dogbreeds only until they began breeding them selectively and now there are hundreds or more. The Russians domesticated foxes completely in 50 years, which in turn changed their physical appearance into something more dog like.

Horses were much smaller in the wild etc.

There's this new book I haven't read, called the [ame="http://www.amazon.com/The-000-Year-Explosion-Civilization/dp/0465020429"]10.000 year explosion[/ame], which claims that the major driving force in human evolution was agriculture, since it exponentially increased the number of people, which means more mutations. Africa never had agriculture on the same scale, which meant they could be closer to their starting point.

That doesn't mean the average agricultural human is smarter, we know for example that the Cro-Magnon people of early Europe had significantly larger brains than any living human population.

This is actually a common finding, as domestication goes up, intelligence and aggression goes down. A wolf is much smarter than a dog.

Domestication usually favors some other traits though such as future time orientation, needed to foresee crop harvest, storing away for worse times etc, but mostly it has to do with sociability and empathy. If we are to believe that morality is only self serving, it means you learn to understand others to better be able to co-operate when you are in close contact.

I actually don't believe the claim that the average African has 70IQ, since it is sort of the same wolf vs dog scenario. If observing only dog and wolf, you'd think the dog was smarter.

I do think Africans lack the same evolutionary traits of empathy and co-operation. I see evidence of this in the ease of which Africans and some African-Americans inflict harm on others. People have no idea the barbaric and cruel violence Africans engage in. This is the 'child like' mindset you spoke off. In one second the township African is laughing and playing around, the next he is setting fire to a suspected thief. This ultra violence of Africans is not reported because it is so disgustingly barbaric it would stop private aid, but it happens very frequently.

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This lack of empathy would be normal in hunter gatherer societies where it really wasn't as needed outside the tribe.

As for your other point about 'nurture', that is again what we humans have a unique ability to affect nature by our nurture. We can encourage some behavior, some mating and living strategies which favor intelligence, sociability and such or we can let nature rule and only favor the strong and aggressive. Again, that is were agriculture and trade really changed things.
 
Lol @ all the genetic/racial determinism. You realize you guys are just pulling shit out of your ass? No one has cited any credible research that suggests blacks have been bred "dumber," you fucking idiots

This went from a conversation about racial profiling, crime statistics, and police abuse to straight up racists speculating on the racial inferiority of black people ("not being racist though!").

Have you considered culture might play a huge part in the "black plight?" Or how the geographical arrangement of much of sub-saharan Africa might play a role in the development of their societies? Enoncomic opportunity (inot a historical context)?

You retards are simplifying the shit out of an immensely complex issue. You're generalizing based on anecdotal illustrations, while ignoring a plethora of important factors.
 
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This was so much more fun when the conversation was about hating cops and how much they suck the brown hole.

Yeah.... You guys are just idiots with your quasi science bull shit about black people. Lets all hate cops it is an easy topic to agree on.
 
Lol @ all the genetic/racial determinism. You realize you guys are just pulling shit out of your ass? No one has cited any credible research that suggests blacks have been bred "dumber," you fucking idiots

This went from a conversation about racial profiling, crime statistics, and police abuse to straight up racists speculating on the racial inferiority of black people ("not being racist though!").

Have you considered culture might play a huge part in the "black plight?" Or how the geographical arrangement of much of sub-saharan Africa might play a role in the development of their societies? Enoncomic opportunity (inot a historical context)?

You retards are simplifying the shit out of an immensely complex issue. You're generalizing based on anecdotal illustrations, while ignoring a plethora of important factors.

The low IQ scores of blacks relative to whites and Asians has been corroborated by many scientists. They didn't just 'pull it out of their ass'. There are are multitude of studies that show blacks score lower on IQ, including its proxies like the SAT. Its scientific reality, not racism. People get offended when you mention a biological correlation between race and achievement, but these same people don't get offended by link between biology and athletic ability, but biology and IQ is off-limits.
 
The low IQ scores of blacks relative to whites and Asians has been corroborated by many scientists. They didn't just 'pull it out of their ass'. There are are multitude of studies that show blacks score lower on IQ, including its proxies like the SAT. Its scientific reality, not racism. People get offended when you mention a biological correlation between race and achievement, but these same people don't get offended by link between biology and athletic ability, but biology and IQ is off-limits.

Exactly. Blacks perform lower on firefighter tests, too.

Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: #56. Firefighter Tests

It's one thing to deny reality but acting on that stupidity and putting people's lives in danger is criminal.
 
The low IQ scores of blacks relative to whites and Asians has been corroborated by many scientists. They didn't just 'pull it out of their ass'. There are are multitude of studies that show blacks score lower on IQ, including its proxies like the SAT. Its scientific reality, not racism. People get offended when you mention a biological correlation between race and achievement, but these same people don't get offended by link between biology and athletic ability, but biology and IQ is off-limits.

You're still just engaging in baseless speculation. You haven't cited any scientific research that attributes discrepancies in academic achievement to racial/genetic determinism.

You're reasoning is basically:


  1. In the aggregate, blacks score lower at X than Y.
  2. They link athletic abilities to biological traits, and those biological traits are more prevalent in some races than others.
  3. Therefore, racial discrepancies in academic achievement have a biological basis.

Your argument is non sequitur as fuck. You're trying to extrapolate already contentious "conclusions" (about race and athletic ability) to a completely unrelated field.

Racists and xenophobes like yourself (and CharlesMartel) love to gloss over sociology, psychology, economics, history, cultural factors, etc... when trying to make sense of this stuff and go straight to, "BLACK PPL ARE BETTER AT RUNNING BUT AREN'T THAT SMART, BECAUSE LIFE IS AN RPG AND U ONLY HAVE SO MANY XP YOU CAN SPEND ON ABILITIES."

It's too simplistic. You're too simplistic.

Here's an example of a cultural phenomenon that may contribute to academic underachievement among blacks:

'Acting White' Remains a Barrier for Black Education'

Not saying this is EXCLUSIVELY the only contributing factor, but I'm citing this just to make the point that there's a ton of different, subtle factors that contribute to "racial inequality."

Now go back to your debunked early 20th century theories on racial determinism...