Would you serve gays in your shop?
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Ask yourself this question. If its ok for Christians not to serve gays, then what if you went into a Walmart store and the clerk wouldn't serve you because he is a muslim and you are an infidel. Same with a gas station? Or what about a hospital? Maybe its not the clerk, maybe its the business owner who doesn't want to serve white people or black people or people with disabilities? Is it not his prerogative who he serves?
How would you feel? Would you think it just?
It's a slippery slope.
And your argument could be that market forces would put him out of business, but that's not always the case. Maybe the hospital who refuses to treat white people (even when they are stretchered in dying) gains popularity with the racist black folks. Their business could flourish.
It's all just prejudism and its disgusting and wrong. No business should be able to exclude anyone based on their race, sex, religion, politics etc. That is just harping back to the days of segregation and apartheid. Our world has moved on and we have grown up.
How would you feel? Would you think it just?
It's a slippery slope.
And your argument could be that market forces would put him out of business, but that's not always the case. Maybe the hospital who refuses to treat white people (even when they are stretchered in dying) gains popularity with the racist black folks. Their business could flourish.
It's all just prejudism and its disgusting and wrong. No business should be able to exclude anyone based on their race, sex, religion, politics etc. That is just harping back to the days of segregation and apartheid. Our world has moved on and we have grown up.
he tried it, but last i heard gofundme pulled his page.
Gofundme just dropped a Michigan man who wants to discriminate against LGBT customers
also:
?I Am a Christian?: Auto-Shop Owner Ignites Outrage After Making Controversial Announcement on Facebook | TheBlaze.com
who knows. maybe gofundme is getting wiser to this fundraising trend/gimmick being used by these scam artists who're using religion to get money? Reminds of the thread re: "tatooed moms are horrible" where you stir things up to get traffic (in this case free $$$).
You should be able to refuse service to whoever you want. The law should protect your right to do this.
However what the law can't and won't do is protect you from losing business because of people protesting your retarded medieval attitude.
However what the law can't and won't do is protect you from losing business because of people protesting your retarded medieval attitude.
LOL it makes me wonder if people like this think that all gay people are going to try to pull a Bill Cosby and try to fuck you in the ass lol he probably already repairs gay people's cars and he has no idea
Man, if I'm selling a product or service, my goal first and foremost is to get the most business. Excluding a segment of the market is a disservice to myself. That's the opposite of what an entrepreneur is supposed to be.
Personally, I couldn't give two shits what people personal preferences are. Everyone has a right to do as they please as long as they do not harm others. I have nothing against anyone.
Personally, I couldn't give two shits what people personal preferences are. Everyone has a right to do as they please as long as they do not harm others. I have nothing against anyone.
green is green
i may sanitize my hands after but, i'm not really a confrontational guy. it takes me some time to come to the conclusion that the gay is indeed a gay. i may be in denial for a while. i usually i don't really decide that it was a gay until after they are gone and the store closes and i have some time to think back on what happened that day
but sure i like cash, and if you're paying sticker price you're always welcome in my hood.
i may sanitize my hands after but, i'm not really a confrontational guy. it takes me some time to come to the conclusion that the gay is indeed a gay. i may be in denial for a while. i usually i don't really decide that it was a gay until after they are gone and the store closes and i have some time to think back on what happened that day
but sure i like cash, and if you're paying sticker price you're always welcome in my hood.
This guy reminded me of an awesome gif I saw on Imgur about a year ago.
A car mechanic stood with sheets of white paper in his hands and the black text on the paper said:
I fix cars all day
But I cannot fix my gay son
And the last paper had text in all colors of the rainbow saying:
BECAUSE MY SON IS NOT BROKEN
http://i.imgur.com/KawaLD7.jpg
This is the correct attitude to gays IMHO.
However, there is one point. Gays cannot reproduce, yet their numbers grow each year.
If there are too much gay couples - there will be less children in next generation.
Conclusions are self-explanatory.
Nobody cannot prohibit you from being gay. But you must not agitate anyone to become a gay. Because if a nation does not have children - nation dies.
A car mechanic stood with sheets of white paper in his hands and the black text on the paper said:
I fix cars all day
But I cannot fix my gay son
And the last paper had text in all colors of the rainbow saying:
BECAUSE MY SON IS NOT BROKEN
http://i.imgur.com/KawaLD7.jpg
This is the correct attitude to gays IMHO.
However, there is one point. Gays cannot reproduce, yet their numbers grow each year.
If there are too much gay couples - there will be less children in next generation.
Conclusions are self-explanatory.
Nobody cannot prohibit you from being gay. But you must not agitate anyone to become a gay. Because if a nation does not have children - nation dies.
It could be moreso that being openly gay is more accepted so it only SEEMS like their numbers grow, but in reality its just more people are willing to admit in public that they are gay without fear of persecution.
But alternatively maybe homosexuality is natures way to reduce overpopulation (which looks like could be a huge issue in the not too distant future).
Saying "Because if a nation does not have children - nation dies" is waaaay too extreme. Even if half of all women and men were gay the world would still carry on. Less children is not a recipe for Armageddon. In fact it could be humanity's salvation.
Just an alternative thought.
Should go both ways though - everybody has the right to dislike anybody as long as it does not harm them. Without SJW jumping in and bullying said person.
The point of view depends on your race.
I am not a racist and I respect all races. However, Earth population grows steadily, while population of westernized countries is stable or declines in some cases, with few exceptions caused by immigration, not by baby booms.
Giving Chinese, Indian and African people even a little knowledge of hygiene and sanitation reduced the rate of newborn\children death there and this is great.
However, while white guys sleep with each other, Chinese women give birth to new babies. More and more Chinese each year and China's army receives about 2 million new conscripts annually, which then become police but can be conscripted in a week any given moment. China can field up to 50 000 000 soldiers if need be. They already expanded to Tibet and Chinese dragon is now showing muscles by building new CV's. Will Russia be the next target? Or will expansion go southeast?
You think this is not important and will not happen?
Earth is not made of rubber and resources are not infinite. At some point of time in the future, huge war for resources and living space is inevitable. China has nuclear weapon and anti-missile systems too, and with their 1.5 billion population they do not fear suffering a few strikes, Chinese military code even predicts suffering these. And when China is ready to field their armies - who will try to stop and protect your home from them? Gays? Gays can't fight, they cannot kill other men.
Not to mention horrible air pollution (in China, btw), soil and water pollution, deforestation, pollutions of the oceans with chemical\nuclear waste, etc. The amount of space we can live in is depleting fast. War for green pastures is also very possible.
Each race should be able to reproduce. Native Americans still live despite hundreds of years of extermination - because they reproduce at the first possibility. If they were gays - there would not be even a trace of them left by now (except for the Chicen Itza Pyramids, Machu Pikchu and other megalyths, of course)
What I try to say - If you are homosexual - it's fine with me. Just don't expect to be treated in some special way, have any preferences, demand any compensations or force anybody to become gay too. You are just a person - a customer, as was rightfully stated above - yet you are not better than that Jimmy next door.
The solution to this situation with overpopulation and possible resource wars in the future would be space expansion. That is why such a plenty of movies about deep space (magnificent Interstellar, i.e.) are produced each year. We dream of stars and all the best technology is consolidated in aerospace research.
Do you know that American NASA scientists successfully landed "Philae" probe on a comet in deep space last November? This is a part of a huge NASA problem in attempt to explain our Solar system evolution and gain knowledge for further colonisation of Mars and Jupiterian satellites.
Only if humanity steps out of our cradle and goew for the stars - we have a chance of surviving. In all other cases we are doomed.
But sending a mission to Mars costs $40 000 000 000. We have that much money to waste on Olympics each 4 years, but we cannot spend it on the mission to colonise Mars. NASA says they are going to colonise Mars till 2030, yet it seems highly unlikely to me, tbh. Soviets also promised to grow apples on Mars by 2000 and now they are gone. Hopefully, NASA is more successful.
Therefore, I agree to your point on gays. But I cannot agree to your point on population decrease. All human races and nations should survive and prosper. Otherwise we may follow the dinosaurs.
Dude when you said things like "Gays can't fight, they cannot kill other men." and stuff like "force anybody to become gay too" it just killed any real point you may have been trying to make (no matter how weak those points actually are).
Do you think that the only way a country can survive is by breeding as many people as possible? That the US is only around now because of the size of the population? Otherwise China would attack and destroy it? You made several points that totally contradict this e.g. China not giving a shit having a load of its citizens nuked. Why hasn't India attacked the UK? The size of the population???
Over-population is going to be one of the biggest struggles mankind has ever had to face. Scientists who are being backed by some of the richest people in the world are trying to extend life way beyond our current limits. Now that IS scary.
Do you think that the only way a country can survive is by breeding as many people as possible? That the US is only around now because of the size of the population? Otherwise China would attack and destroy it? You made several points that totally contradict this e.g. China not giving a shit having a load of its citizens nuked. Why hasn't India attacked the UK? The size of the population???
Over-population is going to be one of the biggest struggles mankind has ever had to face. Scientists who are being backed by some of the richest people in the world are trying to extend life way beyond our current limits. Now that IS scary.
Lol what, are you fucking kidding me. There aren't more gay people than before. It's just that people are better able to come in terms with their gayness and come out.
What in the actual fuck?Originally Posted by HostZealot
However, there is one point. Gays cannot reproduce, yet their numbers grow each year.
If there are too much gay couples - there will be less children in next generation.
Conclusions are self-explanatory.
Thanks for all the commenters who understood my sarcasm - I appreciated it.
thanks also for all those who did not - it made my day.
I expressed this several times - gays are normal people and I respect their right to have sex with other man. They still are customers, unless they begin coitus amidst the shop - which will obviously be a violation of public order and inappropriate. Until then - they give me money - I give them service - everybody is happy.
I know the amount of gays is approximately the same throughout any culture and religion at any given moment of time - about 7%, which was confirmed several times already. I do understand gay movement last years did not turn more men into gays - just more gays were able to express themselves without fear of being mocked or worse.
As fo overpopulation - I also said that clear and I agree to you, Nickster - Earth is not made of rubber and is going to be overpopulated soon, if we do not begin expanding to other planets.
As for possible wars for resources and living space - I hope they never begin, but nobody can be sure.
As for India and China not attacking US - it is simply not needed for them. Btw, I really like how Americans think they are the center of the world and any war in the future will require them to be the side of the conflict.
India has the whole Southern Asia to expand to - they just do not need it as about 30 percent of their own territory is not yet populated - swamps, jungles, desert. They irrigate deserts, dry out swamps and cut out forests to build new cities and increase avvailable living space. Why in the hell would they need to attack the US? They do have the 4th largest airforce in the world (after the US, Russia and China), they produce new howitzers, tanks, all kinds of combat vehicles, they build fleet and train a huge army.
What for?
The same is true about China, with many analysts warning that slow Chinese expansion of Syberia has already begun - there are thousands of Chinese settlements north of the Russian border and in December last yeat Putin signed the Act of TOPs. These are Territories of Open Progress - Chinese are given land along the Russian border and Japanese are allowed to settle on the Kurile isles in exchange for financial help. There is a sad joke I heard from mu Russian clients - "Chinese liked the Act of TOPs so much that they live on those territories for decades already"
Russia is pressed by sanctions hard and they have nothing to offer to their neighbors but land and weaponry. Dmitry Medvedev, Russian Premier offered Vietnam new weaponry in exchange for food supplies last weeek... such a shame for a nation that claims to be one of the world's leaders... He also offered Argentina new air combat fighters in echange for meat... I am not joking - you can Google this, it was on the news.
War for territories and resources will not be with the US, as China can expand northwards or southwards, as well as India can expand to the east.
However, even such a small change of territories as annexation of Crimea by Russians last year caused so much trouble, that Russian economy is now dying under sanctions. Therefore, when China or India will decide to expand - wars are possible.
I really hope this will never happen, hope that humankind will consolidate efforts and launch spaceships to conquer the galaxy...
However, we are way far from consolidation, we are struggling and arguing with each other and we even cannot decide - should we treat gays as normal people or not.
Shame on us, really.
As for nation\race survival - you can google the proportions of Caucasian\African\Asian people numbers and their changes throughout the 20-21st century. (World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for example)
I can do the approximaet extract for you - There was about 3 billion people at the beginning of the 20th century - 1 white (both Americas, Europe, Middle East and Australia), 1 african, 1 asian. Political revolutions and crash of old empires led to significant increase of level of life in former colonies - huge baby boom in Africa and Eastern Asia. Fewer babies died, people began to live better and live longer - and even series of bloody conflicts in Asia did not stop its population from growing.
At the beginning of 21st century the picture looked approximately like that - 2 billion whites, 2 billion Africans, 4 billion asians. Therefore, overpopulation is no danger to the US. Yet it is a dire concern for China. And look at the picture in that Wiki article - Siberia is grey, it is nearly not populated - and huge red China is to the south.
BTW, do you know the Chinese military paradigm? If anybody is interested, I can find the translation. It clearly dictates "the necessity to restore Chinese borders of old". Do you know that Russian emperors, Romanoffs annexed a huge piece of Chinese soil?
And China wants it back. As well as Japan wants Kurile islands back. And Suomi want Karelia back. Georgia wants Abhazia back. And Ichkeria wants independence. And Ukraine wants Crimea back.
What I wanted to say - if we watch Russia collapse in the few next years and be divided between neighbors - possibility of wars for resources will be lovered - as China will have a plenty of territory to consume and develop, which will help its economy to recover from coal crisis it currently encounters (air pollution due to huge exhausts of fumid gases from coal-fed power plants and factories, built by Soviets 50 years ago. China will have to replace these soon, so its eceonomy will slow down).
And in that case I hope to still live to witness the departure of huge colonisation starships.
Sorry for huge offtopic post, it's just that quite a ton of my clients are Russian and I know the matters there very well.
thanks also for all those who did not - it made my day.
I expressed this several times - gays are normal people and I respect their right to have sex with other man. They still are customers, unless they begin coitus amidst the shop - which will obviously be a violation of public order and inappropriate. Until then - they give me money - I give them service - everybody is happy.
I know the amount of gays is approximately the same throughout any culture and religion at any given moment of time - about 7%, which was confirmed several times already. I do understand gay movement last years did not turn more men into gays - just more gays were able to express themselves without fear of being mocked or worse.
As fo overpopulation - I also said that clear and I agree to you, Nickster - Earth is not made of rubber and is going to be overpopulated soon, if we do not begin expanding to other planets.
As for possible wars for resources and living space - I hope they never begin, but nobody can be sure.
As for India and China not attacking US - it is simply not needed for them. Btw, I really like how Americans think they are the center of the world and any war in the future will require them to be the side of the conflict.
India has the whole Southern Asia to expand to - they just do not need it as about 30 percent of their own territory is not yet populated - swamps, jungles, desert. They irrigate deserts, dry out swamps and cut out forests to build new cities and increase avvailable living space. Why in the hell would they need to attack the US? They do have the 4th largest airforce in the world (after the US, Russia and China), they produce new howitzers, tanks, all kinds of combat vehicles, they build fleet and train a huge army.
What for?
The same is true about China, with many analysts warning that slow Chinese expansion of Syberia has already begun - there are thousands of Chinese settlements north of the Russian border and in December last yeat Putin signed the Act of TOPs. These are Territories of Open Progress - Chinese are given land along the Russian border and Japanese are allowed to settle on the Kurile isles in exchange for financial help. There is a sad joke I heard from mu Russian clients - "Chinese liked the Act of TOPs so much that they live on those territories for decades already"
Russia is pressed by sanctions hard and they have nothing to offer to their neighbors but land and weaponry. Dmitry Medvedev, Russian Premier offered Vietnam new weaponry in exchange for food supplies last weeek... such a shame for a nation that claims to be one of the world's leaders... He also offered Argentina new air combat fighters in echange for meat... I am not joking - you can Google this, it was on the news.
War for territories and resources will not be with the US, as China can expand northwards or southwards, as well as India can expand to the east.
However, even such a small change of territories as annexation of Crimea by Russians last year caused so much trouble, that Russian economy is now dying under sanctions. Therefore, when China or India will decide to expand - wars are possible.
I really hope this will never happen, hope that humankind will consolidate efforts and launch spaceships to conquer the galaxy...
However, we are way far from consolidation, we are struggling and arguing with each other and we even cannot decide - should we treat gays as normal people or not.
Shame on us, really.
As for nation\race survival - you can google the proportions of Caucasian\African\Asian people numbers and their changes throughout the 20-21st century. (World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for example)
I can do the approximaet extract for you - There was about 3 billion people at the beginning of the 20th century - 1 white (both Americas, Europe, Middle East and Australia), 1 african, 1 asian. Political revolutions and crash of old empires led to significant increase of level of life in former colonies - huge baby boom in Africa and Eastern Asia. Fewer babies died, people began to live better and live longer - and even series of bloody conflicts in Asia did not stop its population from growing.
At the beginning of 21st century the picture looked approximately like that - 2 billion whites, 2 billion Africans, 4 billion asians. Therefore, overpopulation is no danger to the US. Yet it is a dire concern for China. And look at the picture in that Wiki article - Siberia is grey, it is nearly not populated - and huge red China is to the south.
BTW, do you know the Chinese military paradigm? If anybody is interested, I can find the translation. It clearly dictates "the necessity to restore Chinese borders of old". Do you know that Russian emperors, Romanoffs annexed a huge piece of Chinese soil?
And China wants it back. As well as Japan wants Kurile islands back. And Suomi want Karelia back. Georgia wants Abhazia back. And Ichkeria wants independence. And Ukraine wants Crimea back.
What I wanted to say - if we watch Russia collapse in the few next years and be divided between neighbors - possibility of wars for resources will be lovered - as China will have a plenty of territory to consume and develop, which will help its economy to recover from coal crisis it currently encounters (air pollution due to huge exhausts of fumid gases from coal-fed power plants and factories, built by Soviets 50 years ago. China will have to replace these soon, so its eceonomy will slow down).
And in that case I hope to still live to witness the departure of huge colonisation starships.
Sorry for huge offtopic post, it's just that quite a ton of my clients are Russian and I know the matters there very well.
sorry for the typos too, was in a hurry.
Mattseh, m8, my office is registered in Edinburgh, yet finding me at my office is close to impossible, as I travel worldwide and make new contacts\customers all the time. The best chance for us to meet and have a pint would be in London, at UnGagged at 16-18th of May, I hope.
Mattseh, m8, my office is registered in Edinburgh, yet finding me at my office is close to impossible, as I travel worldwide and make new contacts\customers all the time. The best chance for us to meet and have a pint would be in London, at UnGagged at 16-18th of May, I hope.