Troops In Iraq

[Deliguy]

This is really bothering me. I must vent. Some of my friends in the military are starting to come back from Iraq. They're telling what an incredible shithole the place is and they're glad to be home and everything. Except they are all due back in early '09. This really pisses me off, so basically its an election year so they bring a bunch of troops home and claim everything is hunky dory in the country and yet before the next president is even decided they already know all the troops will be right back in iraq the moment the elections end. It doesn't matter who becomes president, the deployments have already been set and they know the next president will already honor them.

It pisses me off, as well as my friends, its just a big scam on the American public. Watch sometime this summer we'll start hearing all this great news about Iraq and how theres a bunch more green zones (which is complete bullshit) and how the iraqi police and iraqi army are doing such a great job on their own (major bullshit from what i hear) and how the troops can come home so no need to consider that when voting. Then immediately after the elections it'll all go to hell again and suddenly they'll need to send over a bunch of troops to defuse whatever emergency is going on...And not a damn media head will realize that the troops were already scheduled to go there for over a year.

It's fucked up. Watch I'm going to bump this thread next January and it'll seem like nostra-damn-domus.

 

[stmadeveloper]

Are you trying to suggest that the Bush administration would do things to deceive the American Public?

Where is your damn patriotism?

 

[Vendzilla]

I just got off the phone with my daughter, her ship leaves for the gulf tomorrow

 

[invisible777]

Are you trying to suggest that the Bush administration would do things to deceive the American Public?

Where is your damn patriotism?

I think the bigger deceiver is Barack Obama. His campaign and popularity are fueled on his ridiculous notions of "change" and getting the troops home as soon as he's in office, yet that would NEVER happen. At least McCain is campaigning on an honest and realistic timetable for withdrawal, unlike Barobama's fairy-tale. The troops deserve an honest President, especially after the last 8 years of ambiguity. Having Barobama parading around giving the troops and their families false hope is despicable.

 

[stmadeveloper]

All I have to say is "Don't blame me" - I'll be voting for Ron Paul regardless if he is on the ballet or not. There's only been one candidate telling the truth - and it's none of the front runners.

 

[nickycakes]

I think the bigger deceiver is Barack Obama. His campaign and popularity are fueled on his ridiculous notions of "change" and getting the troops home as soon as he's in office, yet that would NEVER happen. At least McCain is campaigning on an honest and realistic timetable for withdrawal, unlike Barobama's fairy-tale. The troops deserve an honest President, especially after the last 8 years of ambiguity. Having Barobama parading around giving the troops and their families false hope is despicable.

As the commander of the armed forces, I fail to see how bringing the troops home is out of the realm of possibility, so I'm going to assume you're another one of the sheep who's spouting more foxnews bullshit.

 

[invisible777]

As the commander of the armed forces, I fail to see how bringing the troops home is out of the realm of possibility, so I'm going to assume you're another one of the sheep who's spouting more foxnews bullshit.

Oh yeah, that's right, if its not on DailyKos or MoveOn or The Daily Show it's probably not legitimate.

The sheep in this election are the people being herded under Obama's ambiguous bullshit "hope and change" theme.

 

[Jizzlobber]

Scary thing is that perhaps at some point the CIA may be called upon to fabricate a terrorist attack to help alleviate some of this dissension.

 

[RuDeDoGg]

I think the bigger deceiver is Barack Obama. His campaign and popularity are fueled on his ridiculous notions of "change" and getting the troops home as soon as he's in office, yet that would NEVER happen. At least McCain is campaigning on an honest and realistic timetable for withdrawal, unlike Barobama's fairy-tale. The troops deserve an honest President, especially after the last 8 years of ambiguity. Having Barobama parading around giving the troops and their families false hope is despicable.

McCain withdrawal plan:
"By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom,"

When he is having a dementia spell and forgets he needs to bullshit people:

During a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire last night, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told a crowd of roughly two hundred people that it “would be fine with” him if the U.S. military stayed in Iraq for “a hundred years“:

Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)
McCAIN: Make it a hundred.
Q: Is that … (cut off)
McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …
Q: [tries to say something]
McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.​

Do I need to even mention how his main bullshitting statement is how he has stopped the lobbyists special interests, yet he used to be fucking one?

 

[popeye]

Are you trying to suggest that the Bush administration would do things to deceive the American Public?

Where is your damn patriotism?

How is bush deceiving anyone? He isn't running for office and he isn't promising to bring anyone home. He has stated we will be in Iraq as long as it takes.

Now on the other hand Obama is running his campaign based on the fact that he will bring change and hope and hope for change and change for hopes sake and bring the troops home on day 2 of his presidency.

Who is lying??

 

[nickycakes]

Oh yeah, that's right, if its not on DailyKos or MoveOn or The Daily Show it's probably not legitimate.

The sheep in this election are the people being herded under Obama's ambiguous bullshit "hope and change" theme.

and what exactly makes that theme "bullshit" exactly?

 

[invisible777]

and what exactly makes that theme "bullshit" exactly?

The theme isn't bullshit, the fact that it's built on lies is.

 

[stmadeveloper]

Who is lying??

Who ISN'T lying is a better question. Currently though Bush is the only one who can pull troops out. Do you think for a second he wouldn't pull in 10k tp 30k troops to give the Republicans a better shot at victory in Nov.?

Obama and Clinton both won't do a total pull out - can't really with out a drastic change in our foreign policy which neither are advocating.

 

[popeye]

Who ISN'T lying is a better question. Currently though Bush is the only one who can pull troops out. Do you think for a second he wouldn't pull in 10k tp 30k troops to give the Republicans a better shot at victory in Nov.?

Obama and Clinton both won't do a total pull out - can't really with out a drastic change in our foreign policy which neither are advocating.

I don't like the job Bush has done ( his policys to the border are too liberal) but one thing is that he does what he says. If pulling out troops would give repubs a better chance, than why hasn't he done it?

Your statement concerning Obama's foreign policy stance is incorrect. He is advocating a total policy change.

1) Cut spending on defence
2) Negoiate with documented sponsers of terroristm.
3) Cut all spending on space weapon development
4) Total dismantle ALL nuclear weapons

The list goes on and on. Some will not consider all his stances above foriegn policy statnces. I would expect that if we dismantled all our nuclear weapons that our policys would be affected (for the worse) with countries such as Russia, China and North Korea.

Most of the time catchy slogans, holding hands and singing, wearing flowers in our hair etc. just doesn't work when applied to real world situations.

 

[stmadeveloper]

1) Cut spending on defence
2) Negoiate with documented sponsers of terroristm.
3) Cut all spending on space weapon development
4) Total dismantle ALL nuclear weapons

Well that's actually worse than what I did know about his stance on the issue. Our government has the powers to do a few simple things - one of them is to provide a strong national defense. Hell it's one of the first sentences in the constitution.

[SIZE=+1]provide for the common defense[/SIZE]

Negotiate away if you aren't going to adapt an isolationist foreign policy - but the cold war mentality has probably stopped us from actually having a nuclear war.

Don't want to argue with you btw - just don't agree with our front runners on so many issues. I've still feel that this is an important election - and I don't like my choices.... neither do millions of others.

 

[nickycakes]

I don't like the job Bush has done ( his policys to the border are too liberal) but one thing is that he does what he says. If pulling out troops would give repubs a better chance, than why hasn't he done it?

Your statement concerning Obama's foreign policy stance is incorrect. He is advocating a total policy change.

1) Cut spending on defence
2) Negoiate with documented sponsers of terroristm.
3) Cut all spending on space weapon development
4) Total dismantle ALL nuclear weapons

The list goes on and on. Some will not consider all his stances above foriegn policy statnces. I would expect that if we dismantled all our nuclear weapons that our policys would be affected (for the worse) with countries such as Russia, China and North Korea.

Most of the time catchy slogans, holding hands and singing, wearing flowers in our hair etc. just doesn't work when applied to real world situations.

well no shit jackass. do you know how much money bush has pumped into his friends "defense" businesses? space weapon development? lol. if you don't see the need to cut spending on "defense" at this point in the game with our economy in the shithole because of this war, then i don't know what to tell you.

i mean seriously. bush and his buddies are heavily invested in guns and oil. what a big shock that we're using big defense contracts to go after an oil rich nation. that shit needs to stop.

 

[popeye]

Well that's actually worse than what I did know about his stance on the issue. Our government has the powers to do a few simple things - one of them is to provide a strong national defense. Hell it's one of the first sentences in the constitution.

Negotiate away if you aren't going to adapt an isolationist foreign policy - but the cold war mentality has probably stopped us from actually having a nuclear war.

Don't want to argue with you btw - just don't agree with our front runners on so many issues. I've still feel that this is an important election - and I don't like my choices.... neither do millions of others.

You are correct. Candidates from both parties will be terrible for our country.

 

[popeye]

well no shit jackass. do you know how much money bush has pumped into his friends "defense" businesses? space weapon development? lol. if you don't see the need to cut spending on "defense" at this point in the game with our economy in the shithole because of this war, then i don't know what to tell you.

i mean seriously. bush and his buddies are heavily invested in guns and oil. what a big shock that we're using big defense contracts to go after an oil rich nation. that shit needs to stop.

Man you gota stop believing everything Rossie O'donnel and Cindy Shehan spill outa their nasty looking traps. Even though Bush has fucked us due to his stance on illegal imigration he HAS NOT:

1) Masterminded 9-11
2) Bomb the levies in New Orleans (cause he hates black people)
3) Started the war in Iraq over oil
4) Started the war in Iraq to benefit Haliburton

Really any person that has any type of sense knows better than to listen to the ramblings of the extremist left. A bad choice or not, GB did what he thought was right when attacking Iraq. It's really that plan and simple. No conspiracy theories, No Illuminati meetings, No Skull and Crossbones conspiracies to rule the world.

Rossie,Cindy,Colbert,Moore..there all fuckin idiots! and remember the Daily Show is just a comedy skit.

EDIT: BTW...if space weapons and spy sats are such a joke then why are the Chinese so worried about them. Why are they spending billions on developing their own weapons? Why are they testing missiles to counteract our sats and weapons in space?

 

[mason]

How is bush deceiving anyone? He isn't running for office and he isn't promising to bring anyone home. He has stated we will be in Iraq as long as it takes.

hmm lets see.. he deceived everyone from day 1. wasn't it proved long ago that the reason to go into war was all made up? wmd? where did they go? bush has no justification to be in war. I don't think he even got a green light from the senate to even wage this war...

"if we leave now, the area will be worse off".

really? how can you tell? they said the same thing about vietnam and nothing bad happened. The media makes it sound as if "terrorists" are gonna take over the area and kill everything in sight. If they really wanted to do that wouldn't you see them targetting civilians instead of US soldiers & their allies?

 

[aim]

My cousin ran the baghdad airport for a couple years, up until recently. We've spoken at length about Iraq. What he's shared is this:

It's a fucked up region, period. There is not a lot of good going on, there are problems on so many levels, it's going to take years to get back on track.

Soldiers don't trust Iraqis. They don't trust soldiers. Iraqis don't trust themselves.

It's a depressed area; dessert, ungodly hot, no water, no vegetation.... Just breeds depression.

The Sunni vs Shiite thing will never, ever be solved by foreigners or occupiers.

Moral is not low, but the troops are at a loss for what the 'mission' is. There are brief excursions here and there, but no ultimate plan. Troops are expressing frustrations over the lack of planning and game-plan to end the war.

In general, Iraqis don't hate Americans, but they want us to leave.