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back in the day there was a guy in SF who posed as a homeless man, and ee would carry a clipboard around and ask people for their emails when they gave him change. he said he wanted to thank them when he got back on his feet. he then added them to his email lists and made mad $$$.
back in the day there was a guy in SF who posed as a homeless man, and ee would carry a clipboard around and ask people for their emails when they gave him change. he said he wanted to thank them when he got back on his feet. he then added them to his email lists and made mad $$$.
Hi, Im an advertiser for debt, probably the biggest in the industry. These leads don't make me happy at all. This isn't "slightly blackhat", it's fucking illeagal. It is not creative, and it is 100% fraud. We have been noticing this going on for a few months now, it is easy to catch, and I refuse to pay for the leads every time. Sure, you can forge the ips all you want, it doesnt matter. This scam is the number 1 reason I have had to pull my offers off of almost all of the networks. It's bs like this that will put an end to cpa, so keep it up. Thanks d-bag!
Run your own shit then, faggot. Oh wait, you don't because the shit offer never converts anyways. Use the intro thread before you post drivel.
I ended up not trying because the time investment to gather the leads in the first place seemed to outweigh the reward.
But pray tell how door to door leads is illegal? They are real people interested in your offer.
When someone's info is entered into a form, they do not have the ability to see what they are opting into, and they can't agree to the terms & conditions of the site. Furthermore, the consumer would never give up their info if they knew it was going to be entered into 10 different offers, which is exactly what is going on here.
This also undermines the advertiser's ability to sell the lead exclusively, and in real time. The only reason internet leads are valuable is because the advertiser/end lead buyer can call on that lead within seconds after the consumer hits submit, when they are most interested.
This forces me to only run my own internal search and email efforts, and not rely on affiliates anymore. Affiliate fraud will literally bring down the entire industy.
If it's not backing out you complain to the network and it gets handled.
and it's NOT getting plugged into 10 offers. Or at least nothing I read here or in my conversations with the op led me to believe that.
If you ask me, controlling merchants and overzealous scrubs/shaves will kill it if anything does. No merchant I've ever met can act like an angel.
Why do you think this guy needs you to run this scam? Why wouldn't he just buy all of the leads on leadpoint and enter them in a dozen different offers using his own network links? It's because all his affiliate accounts are blocked from every network. This will never back out, and you will never get paid for your leads. Eventually, there will be no more offers available on the networks for you to scam, so why not try some legit business, so we can all still be doing affiliate marketing when we are 30.
Because he doesn't provide the leads. Just the IPs to enter them in with.
Congrats. Your entire argument is diffused.
Anyways, I do 100% legit business. I've never been banned or even threatened on a network. I clear everything I do with the network. :bootyshake:
Not sure I agree with that statement as this service is much more gray than many other techniques I've been exposed to.
This guy's coming across as a bitter ex but he's got a point about the T&C. If the leads don't see it & agree to it, does that mean he won't be allowed to contact via email (can-spam compliant)? I assume that the ability to market to the email address + their phone number are the 2 main reasons they came up with their price point per lead. If 1/2 of that formula is gone I can see why he would be pissed.
That said, You should consider washing the sand out of your vagina before someone rips your head off. You're a lone cowboy surrounded by many indians here @ WF. The douchebaggery on the advertiser's end has really lost any sympothy you potentially could have received from this crowd.
We both need each other, but I really think there's not much love and trust either way.
Ok, I will wash the sand out of my vagina. When I first saw this post I was definitely upset, and my emotions got the best of me. I failed to see this from your perspective, you are just trying to make the most for your leads, and who could blame you? However, it doesn't change the fact that this is definitely illegal.
And, to be fair, I think the networks scrub your leads more than I do. They have just as much as incentive to, if not more. I very rarely scrub leads, and I only do if I have approval from the affiliate/account manager at the network, and my goal is always to break even. I have never scrubbed to make money, just to avoid losing too much of it.
My suggesstion, go direct with the advertiser. Then, you can get direct feedback on how your traffic is backing out, the advertiser can optimize the campaign on their end for your traffic, and give you suggestions. You also get more money because there is no network taking their cut, and scrubbing also. Everybody wins. Advertisers always want more direct affiliates, large and small.
And, to be fair, I think the networks scrub your leads more than I do. They have just as much as incentive to, if not more. I very rarely scrub leads, and I only do if I have approval from the affiliate/account manager at the network, and my goal is always to break even. I have never scrubbed to make money, just to avoid losing too much of it.
My suggesstion, go direct with the advertiser. Then, you can get direct feedback on how your traffic is backing out, the advertiser can optimize the campaign on their end for your traffic, and give you suggestions. You also get more money because there is no network taking their cut, and scrubbing also. Everybody wins. Advertisers always want more direct affiliates, large and small.
Removing leads based on some arbitrary criteria we almost never know.
Essentially "oh shit man. I think we were paying too much for these leads"
"Well, guess we're not counting anyone under the age of 50 anymore"
Illegal? Please quote the laws governing this. Might you be referring to 'unethical'?
LOL
its not up to us how you get your lead information, but if you get your lead information using a useless strategy you'll have this guy refusing to pay you.
Simple as that, and actually, from my observations of how some companies acquire the 'permission' from the leads, they get them to fill out T&S of their own to match the lead company.
The real reason debt offers don't like anything but the 'best' is because most of the time you want all their private data on the second page like ssn and bank account numbers.
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