EXPELLED -How Schools Are Hiding Real Science.

[Rusky]

Just saw this documentary by Ben Stein. I think its a must see. Talks about Darwinism and Intelligent design. How our schools could be avoiding real science and ultimately the truth. Pretty Deep Stuff.

Site - EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Official Site
Torrent - expelled - btjunkie

 

[turbolapp]

bah.

NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial | PBS

 

[glowleaf]

Downloading it now. I love these, thx.

 

[pat J]

This piece of shit documentary is nothing more than propaganda for ignorance.

 

[Rusky]

I'm not sure what side is being Ignorant.
When you get down to it, Darwinism cant explain were the simple cell and its complex systems (like DNA) originated from. So they just made stuff up, without having hard evidence to back it up. How can they call it science when its just a believe of theirs.

The documentary is about the freedom to use science to explore all angles. Not the just the narrow hall presented in our schools systems today. You being ignorant not realizing that.

 

[alexb]

Here's a question:
Why the fuck are we, as a society, fixated on the Creation/Evolution bullshit? Creation/Evolution won't cure cancer, make faster computers, or put a man on Mars. It has no impact on our daily lives. Let people believe what they want and shut the fuck up.

I don't see (99.999% of) creationists saying the world is flat, gravity doesn't exist, and that science is evil. I see people wanting to believe in a different explanation of human origin which, again, has absolutely no impact on our daily lives.

This "debate" is little more than a flamewar IRL. People just need to let it go.

 

[glowleaf]

Well said alexb. But also, why do people make wars? Why do they kill each other in the name of religion? Why do they separate themselves by the color of their skin? Why is the "evolved" world dying from obesity while there are billions starving?

Never made any sense, and never will.

 

[Rusky]

AlexB you have no idea what you're talking about.
Hitler killed people because of his belief in Darwinism. (not religion) Let the strong and progressive survive and reproduce to make better humans. Kill the less of them in his view; Jews, blacks, handicapped people. We live in a peaceful time now. But about 50 years ago Hitler and his crew would tread humans like animals. This issue also effects suicide, abortion, and meaning of life. Open you mind bro.

FYI - This isnt about religion its about intelligent design. Watch the video.

 

[alexb]

Hitler was all about eugenics, not darwinism. He saw his people as physically, mentally, and morally superior, and he saw others as lacking. That's not darwinism, that's just good old-fashioned racism.

 

[pat J]

I'm not sure what side is being Ignorant.
When you get down to it, Darwinism cant explain were the simple cell and its complex systems (like DNA) originated from. So they just made stuff up, without having hard evidence to back it up. How can they call it science when its just a believe of theirs.

The documentary is about the freedom to use science to explore all angles. Not the just the narrow hall presented in our schools systems today. You being ignorant not realizing that.

No, "they" didn't make stuff up. Only pseudoscientists make stuff up. And no, science can't explain everything, and no real scientist ever claimed it could. That's why people become scientists... to find out.

YOU have to be ignorant, and retarded, to think anything related to religion or creationism has anything to do with science.

Here's a question:
Why the fuck are we, as a society, fixated on the Creation/Evolution bullshit? Creation/Evolution won't cure cancer, make faster computers, or put a man on Mars. It has no impact on our daily lives. Let people believe what they want and shut the fuck up.

I don't see (99.999% of) creationists saying the world is flat, gravity doesn't exist, and that science is evil. I see people wanting to believe in a different explanation of human origin which, again, has absolutely no impact on our daily lives.

Creationism is a part of something called RELIGION. Religion teaches ignorance and irrational thinking and should NOT be taught in school.

And i don't know if you live under a rock or something, but religious freaks have major impact on everyones life. I could make you a pretty list on the things religious people want to do, but somehow i already think you know.

 

[alexb]

I could make you a pretty list on the things religious people want to do, but somehow i already think you know.

Enlighten me. You're lumping all religious people into one category.

I know plenty of religious people, and I can make a list of things they want to do too:

• Live in peace
• Make a living
• Have a family
• Enjoy life

Maybe, just maybe you're referring to the 0.1% who want to dictate the way everybody should live. Maybe you haven't ever actually met a religious person, but not everybody is like that.

EDIT: And maybe, judging by the vehemence of your post, you're just another angry Internet atheist. I suggest you actually spend some time around "religious freaks" before jumping to conclusions.

 

[pat J]

Enlighten me. You're lumping all religious people into one category.

I know plenty of religious people, and I can make a list of things they want to do too:

• Live in peace
• Make a living
• Have a family
• Enjoy life

Maybe, just maybe you're referring to the 0.1% who want to dictate the way everybody should live. Maybe you haven't ever actually met a religious person, but not everybody is like that.

0.1%?
Oh, i know there are religious people out there that actually believe in evolution and don't want to force anything on anyone. And there are probably a lot of atheist nazis out there that would like to kill all jews, christians, black people and muslims.

Besides the point though. Creationism should not be taught in school any more than any other myths like, scientology, pastafari or whatever. It is very important that only facts are taught in school so that religious groups can't get a hold of children when they are young.

 

[Rusky]

AlexB, Hitlers Ideas were inspired by Darwinism. Thats the root of it. Just Google it.

As for Pat J - I'll just turn the other cheek.
For now.

What you see on this page it made by code, check it out in the Page source box.
A cell also had code its called DNA filled with genetic instructions. Now do you think in a million years this page can create it self. No right? I've never found a page that created it self. There is always a programmer or designer evolved some how. Right? Well imagine this; a cell and DNA is a billion times more complex then this page or any website you'll ever find. But by some mysterious reason it created it self and programed very complex instructions into its DNA. Very unlikely. This isnt about religion or the bible. Its just considering other options and if something does fit into this formula get rid of it and not call it science.

 

[alexb]

Besides the point though. Creationism should not be taught in school any more than any other myths like, scientology, pastafari or whatever. It is very important that only facts are taught in school so that religious groups can't get a hold of children when they are young.

I just wish the origin of man wasn't taught in schools, period. Where did humanity come from? Who the fuck cares. We're here now, and we've got plenty of other things to worry about.

Go ahead and teach the natural process of evolution, go ahead and tell kids where most religious people think they came from, and leave it at that. Let them draw their own conclusions, or hopefully, not give a flying fuck.

 

[pat J]

AlexB, Hitlers Ideas were inspired by Darwinism. Thats the root of it. Just Google it.

As for Pat J - I'll just turn the other cheek.
For now.

What you see on this page it made by code, check it out in the Page source box.
A cell also had code its called DNA filled with genetic instructions. Now do you think in a million years this page can create it self. No right? I've never found a page that created it self. There is always a programmer or designer evolved some how. Right? Well imagine this; a cell and DNA is a billion times more complex then this page or any website you'll ever find. But by some mysterious reason it created it self and programed very complex instructions into its DNA. Very unlikely. This isnt about religion or the bible. Its just considering other options and if something does fit into this formula get rid of it and not call it science.

Hitler has been claimed to be many things, even a christian. The TRUTH is that no one knew or know anything about his religious or non-religious beliefs. All we can agree on is that he was a psychopath.

And for real? Are you using the fact that binary code does not evolve as an argument that evolution is bullshit? That's a new one. Binary code has nothing to react with, therefore it can not evolve. Just as if i put some hydrogen in a box of led, nothing would happen with it until it reacted with something else.

Maybe you should study evolution a little bit. That seems to be the common problem with creationists. They don't want to learn anything about it and use the same old propaganda over and over again.

Evolution says nothing about a god. If you want to believe that a god started evolution.. that's fine. But it's just ridicoulus and ignorant to deny it.

I just wish the origin of man wasn't taught in schools, period. Where did humanity come from? Who the fuck cares. We're here now, and we've got plenty of other things to worry about.

Go ahead and teach the natural process of evolution, go ahead and tell kids where most religious people think they came from, and leave it at that. Let them draw their own conclusions, or hopefully, not give a flying fuck.

That might seem simple. But it's creationists that want their myth to be taught as a fact when it clearly isn't. Most supporters of evolution woudln't mind creation being discussed in religious classes but not the other way around.

 

[Rusky]

Good point AlexB.
Stick to Math, Science, Reading, Writing, of course Computers. Stuff we need to use in the real world. I like that.

 

[pat J]

Science

Evolution is science.

 

[alexb]

Evolution is science.

It's an aspect of science that has no practical applications. Therefore, useless.

Remember we're talking about evolution as the cause of human origin here, not the natural process of evolution (which can be observed).

 

[Rusky]

Pat J.
There are different types of evolution, Mrs Genius. Micro and Macro evolution. Yes I do see Micro evolution exists. We see this from the many thousands of Dog breeds today. But have you noticed they never seem to turn into a cats or horses. They always seem to stays dogs.
All I'm saying is someone had to put Code into the DNA. Believe me I got brain washed in school just like you. But then I started asking questions. It just didn't make since to me. Its funny how the missing link was never found, funny how the food chain doesn't work if the chain is missing a link, its also funny how our brains think, experience love, jealousy, greed, and how we humans have a free mind unlike the animal kingdom.

[SIZE=-1]According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, the definition of science is "knowledge attained through study or practice," or "knowledge covering general truths of the operation of general laws, esp. as obtained and tested through scientific method [and] concerned with the physical world." Nothing about Evolution there.[/SIZE]

 

[pat J]

It's an aspect of science that has no practical applications. Therefore, useless.

Remember we're talking about evolution as the cause of human origin here, not the natural process of evolution (which can be observed).

Of course it has a practical use. The more we understand about where humans come from and how we got here, the more we can refine everything related to medicin and diseases. That's the practical use.

If we look at it your way, then no scientific theory has any practical use. Better go tell those physicist that E=mc2 is useless.