The real Hamas from founding member's son...

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Arabs hate Jews, Jews just want to be left the fuck alone. And I wouldn't wipe my ass with the BBC.

True that. Like i said before., I don't hate Arabs, I just hate people that want to kill me, my wife,and my 1 year old daughter just because we're Jewish. And that qualifies Arabs who interpret the Koran that way, which is many many millions of them.

There is NOTHING in Judaism that teaches people to kill Arabs or Christians etc. because of their beliefs. It's as simple as that.
 



I found this part to be most interesting:

"Witnesses and analysts confirm that Hamas fires rockets from within populated civilian areas, and all sides agree that the movement flagrantly violates international law by targeting civilians with its rockets. But while B’Tselem's Ms Montell describes the rocket fire as a "blatant war crime", she adds: "I certainly would not expect my government to act according to the standard Hamas has set for itself - we demand a higher standard."

It shows how delusional Israeli liberals, and most liberals are.

1. If it's indeed true that Hamas is firing from a Civilian area, than it's not a war crime to strike back at that target.

2. She doesn't offer any alternative. People always criticize the tactics and don't offer any other solution. She doesn't have a better way to kill Hamas. And they(Hamas) dont want to negotiate, so what other choice is there?


Also, another point. The fact that BBC wrote that article to begin with shows the media bias against israel. I was just doing a quick search on BBC to see how many articles there were about charging the Muslims in Somalia,Sudan with war crimes. I was trying to see if there was any public outrage or flag burning or people calling them Nazis. Didn't find anything. But over the past 6 years more than 300,000 africans have been killed in the name of Islam. Where are the war crimes charges? What about when Russia attacked georgia and visa versa. Hundreds of Civilians died. How come people aren't burning flags around the world?

When stuff happens everywhere else, it's on the news for a day or two, a few hollywood stars speak from their asses, and that's it. But when Israel's involved, The whole world starts burning flags and writing articles on war crimes accusations and the UN and EU go nuts and european synogauges get burned and israelis in Belgium malls get shot and jewish preschools in chicagoget bomb threats.

Doesn't that seem a little off balance?
 

And as extreme as Sharon was, it was he who started the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza and uprooted the settlers. Even the most Extreme leaders in Israels history have tried to give in in some areas. What did they get in return? Rocket fire from the area the settlers used to live...

What have extreme Palestinian leaders given? A promise to stop killing people? And they can't even keep that...
 
I'm not knocking him personally, just pointing out the obvious.

He might have done some good, so has GB. It's just not exactly a good will gesture when you elect the Defense Minister notorious for sitting by and letting thousands of Palestinians get raped and murdered into the office of Prime Minister.

It sounds about as smart as electing a free spending liberal into office in the middle of an economic meltdown ........
 
As I write this Israel ended it’s 12th day of attacks on the Gaza strip, an area as long and slightly wider the Galveston Island, Texas but yet holds 1.5 million people. When you watch correspondents on Fox they will tell you that reason is the attacks on the Palestinians living in Gaza are being made are the result of actions of a Palestinian “terrorist” group called Hamas. That Hamas was shooting rockets out of Gaza to kill innocent Israelis.
However like the 9/11 attacks on the WTC , Once again media fails to ask the critical question as to why that would be happening and even more important why there is even a conflict in first place?
Who are the Palestinians? Who is Hamas and how did they get into power? How and why is America involved in the conflict? IF/When the media does ask these kinds of questions who is answering, is it actual representative view of those in question? I.E. Would the media ask the opinion of Palestinian baker living in Gaza what he/she sees on a daily basis? Or a specialist on Palestinian affairs that is actually from Palestine? Define Occupation and Apartheid, does Israel policy towards Palestinians fit that definition? Define Human rights, and ask why does the UN continuously claim that Israel is violating that? Once the history, and opposing points of view of the conflict has been addressed then you can discuss what is happening today and why.
Critical thinking… and the balanced communication of differing perspectives of a situation is what the media has failed to deliver us. Instead we are bombarded with conclusive terms like”Terrorist”,”Islamic Militants”, “Extremist”, "Jihadist" in an authoritarian tone that we must assume they are factual and unbiased!
Now the obvious fringe thing to do at this point is to lay blame on corporations for some mass manipulation conspiracy, which probably has some truth to it. But this is neither productive nor can easily be digested by “Joe the Plummer”..when the simple truth is that real manipulator, the shadowy figure wearing the dark brimmed hat is none other than ourselves.
Is it fear? Is it Apathy? Lack of awareness? Laziness? Self indulgence? Maybe it’s comforting to go about day by day with out questioning events that aren’t happening right before our eyes because it doesn’t affect us directly. It’s the easy way out! However just as the awareness of nutrition starts to kick you in the butt as you grow older, can the same be said about the awareness of our country’s foreign policy? Like our food, most of us Americans like to approach politics in a simplistic manner that gives way to accessibility and quick digestion. We live in a day and age when we base our buying decision on convenience rather then the food itself. If we relied off of fast food like we rely on mainstream media, it might be cheap and digestible today but it will have drastic consequences to our health as we grow older with time. The positive is that self awareness has started to make inroads with us as individuals but can you imagine what it would do for a society?
My friends, watch the video i posted on previous page one more time to really understand how evil the AIPAC is and how are they brain washing Americans with their Israeli Propaganda.
 
Dont like war. But the reality is if you dont fight back, you're going to be dead or a slave. This is much deeper then Hamas, his just a distraction. I have a feeling Iran is financing this guy to distract the world from his uranium enrichment program. Just a thought. Imagine a muslin with nuclear weapons. JIIIIHHHHAAAADDDD! BOOOOOM :(

Not all Muslim are terrorists but just about all terrorist are muslin.
 
I'm not knocking him personally, just pointing out the obvious.

He might have done some good, so has GB. It's just not exactly a good will gesture when you elect the Defense Minister notorious for sitting by and letting thousands of Palestinians get raped and murdered into the office of Prime Minister.

It sounds about as smart as electing a free spending liberal into office in the middle of an economic meltdown ........


Gotta love when people make blanket statements that are 100% not true. Who said anything about Rape? Not even the palestinians make that outrageous claim about Israelis...
 
Dont like war. But the reality is if you dont fight back, you're going to be dead or a slave. This is much deeper then Hamas, his just a distraction. I have a feeling Iran is financing this guy to distract the world from his uranium enrichment program. Just a thought. Imagine a muslin with nuclear weapons. JIIIIHHHHAAAADDDD! BOOOOOM :(

Not all Muslim are terrorists but just about all terrorist are muslin.

uuuhh. Hamas is not a guy....
 
Gotta love when people make blanket statements that are 100% not true. Who said anything about Rape? Not even the palestinians make that outrageous claim about Israelis...

Don't pick apart the angle you want to debate ... rape happens in war. Nobody denies it was a bloody massacre and that Sharon was the one in charge watching over things. That makes my statement at minimum 50% true (as opposed to 100% not true) and there weren't many eye witnesses left alive.

Besides, rape sounds like something you can recover from while murder is more difficult to get over.

Listen, I didn't post that to align sides or anything. I definitely sympathize more with Israelis in this situation because your children aren't the ones putting bombs in their backpacks. That takes serious brainwashing to pull off. Israelis sound like MUCH more peaceful neighbors to have.

Regardless of how you want to spin Sabra & Shatila, I feel the fighting is not our (USA) problem. I'm a bit perturbed that billions of our tax dollars fund any part of that conflict. Really, any funding to foreign countries is offending to me ... we've got our own issues to deal with.

I merely mentioned that to be fair in the situation ... The palestinians aren't the only ones making bad decisions for leaders.
 
Don't pick apart the angle you want to debate ... rape happens in war. Nobody denies it was a bloody massacre and that Sharon was the one in charge watching over things. That makes my statement at minimum 50% true (as opposed to 100% not true) and there weren't many eye witnesses left alive.

Besides, rape sounds like something you can recover from while murder is more difficult to get over.

Listen, I didn't post that to align sides or anything. I definitely sympathize more with Israelis in this situation because your children aren't the ones putting bombs in their backpacks. That takes serious brainwashing to pull off. Israelis sound like MUCH more peaceful neighbors to have.

Regardless of how you want to spin Sabra & Shatila, I feel the fighting is not our (USA) problem. I'm a bit perturbed that billions of our tax dollars fund any part of that conflict. Really, any funding to foreign countries is offending to me ... we've got our own issues to deal with.

I merely mentioned that to be fair in the situation ... The palestinians aren't the only ones making bad decisions for leaders.


ok, so first, you didn't originally clarify that you were talking about Sabra & Shatila. I thought you were saying that Israelis were raping and murdering Palestinians while Sharon was in charge, which is 100% NOT true.

Also, Sabra & Shatila is a sticky situation. Not sure you can really blame that whole thing on Sharon, there are SO many different accounts of what happened, wikipedia basically leaves most of them out...
 
ok, so first, you didn't originally clarify that you were talking about Sabra & Shatila. I thought you were saying that Israelis were raping and murdering Palestinians while Sharon was in charge, which is 100% NOT true.

Also, Sabra & Shatila is a sticky situation. Not sure you can really blame that whole thing on Sharon, there are SO many different accounts of what happened, wikipedia basically leaves most of them out...

Sorry, I'm not 100% up on history on that part of the world ... it's the biggest event that I know about so I kind of assumed it was notorious like 9/11, everyone knows THAT was the terrorist attack.

Nope, I make no claims against the Israelis directly ... from what I remember is was a group of Christians who actually did the bad things inside the concentration camps. Sharon just surrounded the place, locked out the rest of the world and let it happen.

Just going back full circle to my point, electing Sharon wasn't the smartest thing to do if you really wanted peace. He's got a lot of Arab blood on his hands.
 
Gotta love when people make blanket statements that are 100% not true
Like this one....
Not all Muslim are terrorists but just about all terrorist are muslin
There have been many Israeli terrorists as well

lavon affair - where Israelis blew up U.S. owned buildings and tried to
blame the muslims.

USS Liberty - Israel sank it

Mexican Congress - A month after 9/11 Israeli agents get arrested after sneaking into the Mexican Congress loaded with grenades, dynamite, and guns. Who would have been blamed if they completed their mission?
 
Like this one....
There have been many Israeli terrorists as well

lavon affair - where Israelis blew up U.S. owned buildings and tried to
blame the muslims.

USS Liberty - Israel sank it

Mexican Congress - A month after 9/11 Israeli agents get arrested after sneaking into the Mexican Congress loaded with grenades, dynamite, and guns. Who would have been blamed if they completed their mission?

Wow, one failed attack and two successful ones. If I listed every single successful terrorist attack committed by Muslims, it would be fucking PAGES.
 
The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) has suspended operations in Gaza since coming under attack by Israeli military forces on Friday.​
A statement from the UNRWA said its temporary suspension “was compelled by incidents in which UNRWA staff, convoys and installations have come under attack.”
The statement said, “On numerous occasions in recent days, humanitarian convoys have come under Israeli fire even though their safe passage through clearly designated routes at specifically agreed times, had been confirmed by the Israeli liaison office.”
The suspension of operations was necessary due to “the nature, severity and frequency of these incidents”.
The suspension includes movement of staff throughout the Gaza Strip and vehicle movement, such as the delivery of aid into the territory. The agency said its presence in Gaza would continue, and that it would “continue to serve displace civilians who seek safety in UNRWA schools. UNRWA’s clinics will also remain open.”
The inability of the UNRWA to deliver relief to the residents of Gaza exacerbates an already critical humanitarian emergency situation. The Gaza Strip has been under siege by Israel since it withdrew military forces and dismantled settlements in 2005. Since that time, Israel has implemented a blockade of the territory, controlling the land, air, and sea, and allowed only minimal amounts of humanitarian supplies into Gaza. It has also engaged in military incursions into Gaza at will. This situation has led some to argue that Israel is still, by any practical interpretation, the occupying power in Gaza under international law, and therefore responsible for the welfare of its civilian population.​
Israel’s bombardment of Gaza beginning on December 27 and its subsequent invasion of the territory have greatly worsened the already critical situation. Much of the population in Gaza has no food, water, or electricity. Gaza’s overflowing hospitals are running on generators and have little or no spare fuel, or medical supplies.
“There is no doubt in my mind that we are dealing with a full-blown and major crisis in humanitarian terms,” said Pierre Kraehenbuehl, the director of operations in Geneva for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). “The situation for the people in Gaza is extreme and traumatic.”
John Ging, the head of the UNRWA in Gaza, said, “There are very real shortages of medicine. This hospital has not had electricity for four days. If the generators go down, those in intensive care will die. This is a horrific tragedy here, and it is getting worse by the moment.”​
The Israeli attacks on UN aid convoys are in addition to numerous other attacks on UN sites in Gaza. Four UN sites have also come under Israeli attack over the course of the week. Four UN-run schools and a medical center were hit.
On Tuesday, a school run by UNRWA in the Jabaliya refugee camp was shelled by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) in the fourth attack on a UN site, killing more than 40 and wounding dozens more Palestinians who had taken refuge there in an attempt to escape Israel’s bombardment.
The IDF claimed that Hamas militants had fired rockets from the school. Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said, “Unfortunately, this is not the first time that Hamas has deliberately abused a UN installation.”
But UN officials denied the claim.
John Ging said that Hamas had not violated the sanctity of any UN sites in Gaza. He said he was “very confident now that there was no militant activity inside the school nor militants in the school.”
“We are completely devastated,” Ging also said. “There is nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized.”
In a press statement, he emphasized that all UN schools in Gaza were clearly marked and the coordinates of their exact locations had been provided to Israel. He said that “the Israelis have to end their disproportionate and inappropriate use of force in densely populated areas.”
Another UNRWA official, Christopher Gunness, said that the agency was “99.9 percent certain there were no militants or military activity in its school.”
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called the attacks “totally unacceptable.” He added, “After earlier strikes, the Israeli government was warned that its operations were endangering UN compounds. I am deeply dismayed that despite these repeated efforts, today’s tragedies have ensued.”
Adnan Abu Hasna, a UNRWA spokesman in Gaza, said that the agency had “several times noted to the Israeli sides to avoid targeting our schools that shelter civilians.” Yet, “In spite of rising the blue flag of UNRWA on our schools, the Israeli army has been targeting those schools by missiles and tanks shells.”
“Neither homes nor UN shelters are safe,” said Maxwell Gaylard, the UN Humanitarian Coordinator for the Palestinian territories.
UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness said on Friday, “In briefings, senior IDF officers conducted for foreign diplomats, they admitted the shelling to which IDF forces in Jabaliya were responding did not originate from the school.”
The ICRC issued a press release Thursday saying when Israel finally granted safe passage for ambulances on January 7, their team “found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses. They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses.”
While the ICRC rescue team was assisting other survivors in other houses, Israeli soldiers “ordered the rescue team to leave the area” but refused to do so. “Large earth walls erected by the Israeli army had made it impossible to bring ambulances into the neighbourhood,” the ICRC statement added, noting that “the Israeli military failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded” and calling the situation “unacceptable.”
“This is a shocking incident,” said ICRC official Pierre Wettach. “The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded.”
More than 700 Palestinians have been killed in the war, according to the most recent estimates. The UN has estimated that 25 percent of Palestinian deaths have been women and children, with an addition unknown number of men who were also civilians.
Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor working in the Gaza Strip, when asked by a reporter whether Hamas militants were included amongst those arriving at his hospital for treatment, replied, “I’ve seen one military person among the tens of…I mean, hundreds we have seen and treated. So anybody who tries to claim this is sort of a clean war against another army are lying. This is an all out war against the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza.”

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Fuck Hamas. Fuck the Israeli leadership. The people want peace.

The leaders of Hamas are as representative of the average Palestinian as much as Bush, Blair, Hitler or Stalin was of the average American, Briton, German or Russian.

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The whole country is consumed and indoctrinated in a message of hatred towards the jews. Which is clearly depicted in the hate shown in the children's programs.

How can you even think like that? Or even still, how can you defend a state that defends and cultivates terrorist organisation?

My uncle went over to Palestine a few years back to work as a photographer and met with a couple HMAS leaders. They told him in no uncertain terms that their goal was to kill every jew alive. And once thats acheived kill every America. They have a ideology of hate that is spread throughout the people of their nation.

You defend them, and yet as a westerner they'd rather see you dead. I just don't understand the logic in defending them?
 
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