Bizopps WTF

lukem said:
Yes, this is one piece of the puzzle... Or how about a relatively low initial CPA, then a progressively larger CPA on the residual/rebill? I've run this by our partners in the past and everyone agrees that this is a great way to make sure everyone wins (from a quality and overall CPA standpoint). But this puts a huge negative cash burden on the publisher if it takes more than 15 days for rebills to start coming through. And an even bigger burden if they find out their lead quality was shit.
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It's gotta be an option in the long run.

Even if they offered $10 for the initial lead. Then $10 for every recurring month that the customer keeps the subscription. I don't really know how that'd play out for them financially though.

With a quality product, the customers who stay on for 6 months would balance out the stragglers who cancel in the first month.

The affiliate would take a dent on the first acquisition, but it'd be balanced out by the possibility of some referrals generating much more than the standard $40 CPA.

But then....it all comes back to having a quality product. These guys clearly don't. It would need a new player in the field to come in with a new business model

Many of these guys are doing their own media buys and generating several thousand sales/day. They'll survive.
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Volume is volume though. If they weren't greedy for it, they wouldn't run the affiliate program to begin with and they'd probably have a much tighter control over the quality of the leads.
 


As for the double LP- maybe if the advertisers had chosen a better business model from the outset, they wouldn't have issues with 2 offers on 1 LP.
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I can't imagine how placing 2 similar Google offers on the same LP and instructing users to purchase both could possibly be good for any advertiser.
 
papajohn56 said:
after someone speculated this earlier I kind of figured that was it. The email about double offers on LPs a few days ago from A4D had me wondering what it was all about, but now thanks to a few, the rest of us get fucked.
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Here is a message from a dif NW:

The advertiser has become aware that certain publishers are promoting our offers and other company’s offers on a single website or page. Specifically, Google offers have been advertised in this manner. The publishers are promoting two or more Google products on the same page and advertising as if the consumer needs to purchase multiple products in order to have the greatest return. Publishers are “doubling up” offers. These advertising practices are deceptive, misleading, and a clear breach of the terms and conditions of the offers. Additionally, these practices subject the advertiser to undue liability and costs. As such, all publishers must immediately cease and desist from engaging in these or similar practices. Leads generated by these methods are considered invalid and will not be compensated. If any publishers wish to run our offers and additional offers on the same site or page, they must submit the site and landing page to us for approval. We closely monitor the advertisement of our products online. If any pages are found to be in violation of this policy the advertiser will take any action appropriate to protect our interests, including terminating campaigns and withholding payment.
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good networks will put something regarding that in the campaign terms (i.e. advaliant will say "do not run this in tandem with another offer, no dynamic duos", etc.) if they dont want that.
 
Damn.. just finished my flog last nite and was gunna advertise it today.. is this still worth doing or should i move onto somethin else?
 
wouldnt it be interesting if everyone on WF did a protest strike on all biz ops for a 24hr period.... just sayin
 
lukem said:
I can't imagine how placing 2 similar Google offers on the same LP and instructing users to purchase both could possibly be good for any advertiser.
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What I meant was that if they had gone with a business model that doesn't depend on the consumer not noticing CC charges, 2 offers on the same LP wouldn't be an issue.
 
Boats & Hoes said:
yea.. u never know with the advice u get on WF :1bluewinky: so just gunna test and hope for the best
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When you are an AM Newb you can't ask stupid shit like that on this forum. I only commented, because of the visual I had of you reading his post.
 
There's one advertiser that's behind many of these google biz ops and from what I can tell, they're the ones doing all of the shaving at the moment. Just switch to another offer from a different advertiser until the shaving stops, if it stops...
 
Finch said:
The Google bizopp market could really do with a kick up the ass from an advertiser that knows how to appeal to the mainstream AND how to package a good subscription based product.
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What? How exactly do you improve these kinds of products? Care to elaborate? I mean do you really believe that u could simply make a living by posting links on Google?
 
I'd say a good way to prove this would be what the previous guy suggested, we get 30-50 WFers to use their wife's credit card or something, sign up and complete the sale, and then post our success rates to see if an offer was shaved.

If it was, what WF did with the Hydra case could be exploited on here, and that Advertiser could possibly be forced into stopping the shaving.

However, the main problem is that the Advertiser wouldnt give a crap, nobody is searching his name on Google. Also the fact that 30-50 of us would have pissed off wives when we tried to cancel , and couldnt, and the rebills would keep a'comin.
 
Where are all the big gunz at (network owners)? I know Jon said his piece but it seems like one of the regulars would at least chime in being that there are a bunch of affiliates that are getting a little frustrated and expressing it in the forum.

Just sayin'...
 
Roundabout said:
If it was, what WF did with the Hydra case could be exploited on here, and that Advertiser could possibly be forced into stopping the shaving.
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The advertiser isn't going to "stop the shaving" and take a multi-million dollar hit in their bottom-line just to satisfy a couple dozen posters on 1 or 2 forums.
 
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