Flavored cigs and clove cigs to be illegal

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H.R. 1256: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (GovTrack.us)

Nanny state begins! All flavors except menthol will be banned. Clove cigarette manufacturers in Indonesia are filing complaints with the WTO saying since the bill was lobbied for by Philip Morris, it's anti-competitive. This won't prevent kids from fucking smoking, and it will just pad Philip Morris' wallet due to less competition. I don't even smoke and this is bullshit.
 


I quit smoking a few years ago, but once in a while I enjoy a nice clove... who the hell does this Obama think he is.

Worst part is HE IS A SMOKER. Just because you were not strong enough to quit on your own and control your addiction doesn't mean you have to ruin it for the rest of us.
 
neab1as said:
now what am i gonna do to get that hooker taste out of my mouth ...
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So glad someone else beat me to the menthol thing. Obama wouldn't want alienate himself from that particular demographic any further than he already has. :D


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ok, I'm not even an American and I seem to know more about your political system than most of you, which is tragic.

This isn't an "Obama" thing.
This is one guy who's deep in the pockets of the anti-smoking lobby, wanting to get this through, and has done a fantastic job at convincing people this somehow protects children from being self destructive. Considering Obama is a smoker, at this point he can theoretically tell them to fuck off and not sign it (although unlikely).

In either case, it doesn't ban flavoured cigarettes, it bans manufacturers from using flavour as a selling point.
Prohibits a cigarette or any of its components from containing as a constituent or additive any artificial or natural flavor (other than tobacco or menthol) or any herb or spice (including strawberry, grape, orange, clove, cinnamon, and vanilla) that is a characterizing flavor of the tobacco product or tobacco smoke
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They mean you can't call them "Vanilla Smoothes" or some shit.

We've had this law for 3 years... "Vanilla Smoothes" became "DJ Whites". Strawberry became "DJ Feel" and chocolate became "Black Devils"
It'll just be a rebranding exercise.
 
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HarveyJ said:
ok, I'm not even an American and I seem to know more about your political system than most of you, which is tragic.

This isn't an "Obama" thing.
This is one guy who's deep in the pockets of the anti-smoking lobby, wanting to get this through, and has done a fantastic job at convincing people this somehow protects children from being self destructive. Considering Obama is a smoker, at this point he can theoretically tell them to fuck off and not sign it (although unlikely).
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The rep is a Democrat. No laws are created/written by Obama. Everytime some ridiculous law is made you can claim that it is not written by the president, and that it isn't an "Obama" thing. However he has veto power, and his veto would not be overridden. A Republican president would veto this bill. Obama won't. So Obama can basically decide whether or not this law is gets passed. That certainly makes it an "Obama" thing.

So you can certainly blame the Democrats and Obama for this.
 
HarveyJ said:
In either case, it doesn't ban flavoured cigarettes, it bans manufacturers from using flavour as a selling point.
They mean you can't call them "Vanilla Smoothes" or some shit.

We've had this law for 3 years... "Vanilla Smoothes" became "DJ Whites". Strawberry became "DJ Feel" and chocolate became "Black Devils"
It'll just be a rebranding exercise.
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You must have misread the law.

Section 101 said:
"Prohibits a cigarette or any of its components from containing as a constituent or additive any artificial or natural flavor (other than tobacco or menthol) or any herb or spice (including strawberry, grape, orange, clove, cinnamon, and vanilla) that is a characterizing flavor of the tobacco product or tobacco smoke."
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HarveyJ said:
ok, I'm not even an American and I seem to know more about your political system than most of you, which is tragic.

This isn't an "Obama" thing.
This is one guy who's deep in the pockets of the anti-smoking lobby, wanting to get this through, and has done a fantastic job at convincing people this somehow protects children from being self destructive. Considering Obama is a smoker, at this point he can theoretically tell them to fuck off and not sign it (although unlikely).

In either case, it doesn't ban flavoured cigarettes, it bans manufacturers from using flavour as a selling point.
They mean you can't call them "Vanilla Smoothes" or some shit.

We've had this law for 3 years... "Vanilla Smoothes" became "DJ Whites". Strawberry became "DJ Feel" and chocolate became "Black Devils"
It'll just be a rebranding exercise.
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huh? this is an obama thing because he's been pushing it on TV and has been asking for it in press conferences. not only that, but you in fact misread the law. it says it may not contain artificial or natural flavors. don't patronize me about my own legal system.
 
I'm down for Obama bashing as much as any freedom loving, Ayn Rand reading libertarian...but I really think this is more about Phillip Morris locking in their control over the market using their lobbyists.

It seems counter intuitive, but with these new regulations on marketing NO one has a shot at taking over their market share (even if the market overall shrinks a bit). When the Phillip Morris executives are dancing in the halls over a bill regulating tobacco, you have to wonder why.
 
Prohibits a cigarette or any of its components from containing as a constituent or additive any artificial or natural flavor (other than tobacco or menthol) or any herb or spice (including strawberry, grape, orange, clove, cinnamon, and vanilla) that is a characterizing flavor of the tobacco product or tobacco smoke
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Is this really about cloves? I believe this is going to stop a whole lot of blunts and blunt wraps from hitting the shelves nearest you.

Bastards... :angryfire:
 
mingrza said:
Is this really about cloves? I believe this is going to stop a whole lot of blunts and blunt wraps from hitting the shelves nearest you.

Bastards... :angryfire:
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it is, because clove cigarettes still have tobacco in them

nvanprooyen said:
I'm down for Obama bashing as much as any freedom loving, Ayn Rand reading libertarian...but I really think this is more about Phillip Morris locking in their control over the market using their lobbyists.

It seems counter intuitive, but with these new regulations on marketing NO one has a shot at taking over their market share (even if the market overall shrinks a bit). When the Phillip Morris executives are dancing in the halls over a bill regulating tobacco, you have to wonder why.
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Obama has been pushing it as a "health initiative" and as keeping kids from smoking
 
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