Bizopps WTF



actually offering a fucking real product would sure help. Affiliate marketers are sales guys and need to create excitement/hype - advertisers need to deliver...at least a little :)
 
That's BS. Listen, great product or not, myself and many others I know are killing it with Biz Opps right now. If your conversions suck, try a diff't offer. There are hot offers out there right now. And 100 times as many duds.
 
man, I'm trying to test some variations of my LP and I can't tell if it's the LP or the scrubbing, this is pathetic...
 
man, I'm trying to test some variations of my LP and I can't tell if it's the LP or the scrubbing, this is pathetic...

on statistically significant volumes I'll tell you that I'm seeing over a 350% variance from worse offers to better offers.


It's ridiculous, but those who started double-selling two products certainly accelerated this bullshit- if rebill rates are 1/2 of what they are selling only one product why on earth should the advertiser be expected to just run millions of dollars worse of losses- so they'll start the 50% scrub.
 
Conversions have sucked the past few days.
The advertisers have got to see that they're screwing themselves over in the long run. If they start shaving, affiliates will just move to the next hot rebill and in the long term, the offer starts to die.

What this industry needs is for an advertiser to step up with a new bizopp that hasn't been beaten to death.

As for the double LP- maybe if the advertisers had chosen a better business model from the outset, they wouldn't have issues with 2 offers on 1 LP.

Maybe if people weren't promoting multiple rebills on flogs the model would work, as it has time and again in the past. It seems to me that AM is facing similar problems to the fishing industry (it's a little bit of a stretch but bear with me). The AM ecosystem is being taxed too hard by folks who are just trying to get in, get as much cash as possible today, and get out..."fuck the rest of the world, I gotta get PAID bitches!!!"(Individual fishing boat/crew). That affiliate make a great, non-compliant flog with 2 offers, buys a ton of media and then blows it out.(Speed-trawling with closed nets in waters that may or may not be legal to fish...probably not legal, actually but they don't really give a fuck). The problem is, once the consumer gets hit with 2 $80-$90 charges 14 days later (which they probably didn't know were coming) they charge that back. IMHO, that is not a quality lead for the advertiser. Then the advertiser gets pissed because they were paying top dollar for low quality leads and so they either scrub or withhold payment (not enough fish in the sea after being aggressively over fished).
I completely agree with what Jon said earlier and a few others have mentioned - there needs to be better communication between business partners, be it advertiser/pub, network/pub, or advertiser/network. So long as no one gets too greedy there is plenty to go around and profitable longterm relationships can be formed. But once someone decides to get too aggressive things begin to fall apart and in then end everyone loses.

*Puts on flame retardant suit and steps off of soap box*
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i read this on some other thread too, i think its since July 1, conversions are 19% down.

i usually had 20%, and i am seeing only 1% conversions since last 3 days. I em closing my campaigns and going to golf club to play some golfs for this weekend.

Who wanna come..?
 
i read this on some other thread too, i think its since July 1, conversions are 19% down.

i usually had 20%, and i am seeing only 1% conversions since last 3 days. I em closing my campaigns and going to golf club to play some golfs for this weekend.

Who wanna come..?

Are you like the new Sumit?
 
Maybe if people weren't promoting multiple rebills on flogs the model would work, as it has time and again in the past. It seems to me that AM is facing similar problems to the fishing industry (it's a little bit of a stretch but bear with me). The AM ecosystem is being taxed too hard by folks who are just trying to get in, get as much cash as possible today, and get out..."fuck the rest of the world, I gotta get PAID bitches!!!"(Individual fishing boat/crew). That affiliate make a great, non-compliant flog with 2 offers, buys a ton of media and then blows it out.(Speed-trawling with closed nets in waters that may or may not be legal to fish...probably not legal, actually but they don't really give a fuck). The problem is, once the consumer gets hit with 2 $80-$90 charges 14 days later (which they probably didn't know were coming) they charge that back. IMHO, that is not a quality lead for the advertiser. Then the advertiser gets pissed because they were paying top dollar for low quality leads and so they either scrub or withhold payment (not enough fish in the sea after being aggressively over fished).
I completely agree with what Jon said earlier and a few others have mentioned - there needs to be better communication between business partners, be it advertiser/pub, network/pub, or advertiser/network. So long as no one gets too greedy there is plenty to go around and profitable longterm relationships can be formed. But once someone decides to get too aggressive things begin to fall apart and in then end everyone loses.

*Puts on flame retardant suit and steps off of soap box*
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Not necessarily always the case. If the products are different enough it works. It also helps if it's a physical product. Colon/Acai works for the advertiser, Biz Opp/Grants obviously doesn't. Or you know, doing two biz opps. But as someone mentioned, the Networks and/or Advertisers are to be blamed in this case. Everyone is naturally going to push the envelope as much as possible.
 
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