Kimbo Slice vs Roy Nelson
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Kimbo's a boxer. He's going on 40 isn't he? Maybe he should try boxing instead. It might be too late for him to be competitive at MMA.
I mean if he ever stops making money being a personality.
I mean if he ever stops making money being a personality.
has hands, but the chin is suspect..
ground game is nonexistent
roy nelson lay/pray.. didn't inflict any damage, but fighter couldn't intelligently defend himsef against feather punches.
very anti-climatic
ground game is nonexistent
roy nelson lay/pray.. didn't inflict any damage, but fighter couldn't intelligently defend himsef against feather punches.
very anti-climatic
The money in boxing, unless you're in like the Top 5 in your particular weight class (and even that's a stretch) isn't nearly what it would be even for a middle-of-the-road fighter. If the UFC treats Kimbo like Brock Lesnar, and they should, because he can obviously pull units (TUF 10 has been by far the most heavily watched season in TUF history -- and it's been predicted that last nights fight episiode might do/have done 6 million in viewers) then it would be probably 3-4-5x more lucrative for him to learn the basics of a ground game and stay in MMA.
Even though he lost last night, he's still staying/stayed (the shit's already been taped I keep forgetting lol) at the gym and will train with everyone else for the rest of the season. If somebody goes down or gets injured, they may throw him back into the fold -- so he isn't even really out of it yet. I highly doubt it, but some people think that the preview for next weeks episiode kind of suggests that Marcus Jones won't be able to fight due to his knee injury and thus, Kimbo will fight for him: Is Kimbo Slice Back? Will He Replace Marcus Jones on the Next Episode of The Ultimate Fighter10? - Bloody Elbow
Yeah I know. I actually wrote that post without adding the last sentence and then after I saved it I thought, no he won't make money in boxing, so I edited and added the last sentence. He'd never be a great pro boxer either so he's gotta think about what's gonna bring in the money.
He also probably has some sort of a career in wrestling after he's milked the MMA for all it's worth.
i agree that kimbo can pull units, but i think the mystique will fade and the draw will be veryyyy short-lived if he continues to have performances such as last nights.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. But... (see my response below)
Yeah I hear you. I'll make no qualms that he needs to work on his ground game HEAVILY and even shore up some of the holes in his striking. He also needs to really strengthen his take-down defense and work in the clinch.
But I don't think he's ever going to be someone that will challenge for a title belt or anything. I think we can all agree on this. But I think he'd make a nice co-main event or even just a nice fight to put on a stacked card if he's paired with other strikers who swing-for-the-fences and always try to get Fight/Knock Out of the Night. EG: Like a Chris Lytle, Marcus Davis, Thiago Alves but in the heavyweight division. Maybe down the road if Carwin loses to Lesnar, a Carwin vs Slice bout would be nice if Slice can work on all the holes in his game. I'd definitely give that one to Carwin just predicting right now, but it would definitely be a fun fight to watch and one that I'd gladly drop money down if it was on a PPV card (in addition to a decent main event).
Why? He very nearly knocked out the now defunct IFL's former heavyweight champion. Yes, he has weaknesses to work on, but to up and not give the guy a chance because he came up through the streets is just douchey. I used to be a bit meh about him but after watching the show, he's a cool, humble shit.
He was out thought and out fought by a big fat bastard who he clearly beat on the feet? Here, let me fix your statement for you:
There ya go, buddy!
Maybe he should get hooked up with the people who train Liddell. I'm not sure who he's training with now or if there'd be a conflict(they're too far apart in weight to ever face each other, right?). Kimbo's game should be about the same as Chuck's has been, shouldn't it? Which is 1) don't get taken down. 2) seriously. don't fucking get taken down. 3) knock them the fuck out.
Yeah that'd be a good idea. He's been trained (thus far -- aka: before the TUF 10 show) by only Bas Ruten -- who's practically a legend in MMA, but apprarently isn't a very good teacher/have any patience because him and Kimbo parted ways after some disagreements.
But yeah, I think training with Lidell's camp (which is The Pit and is led by John Hackleman) would be good. They condition pretty hard from what I've read from Liddel's book and seen on some TV features -- which would be good for him. Plus Rashad Evans wants him to go train with him and Greg Jackson in New Mexico, so he obviously has something in him that make both Evans and White want to continue working with him in the UFC.
No the chin is not suspect at all, seth knocked him out with a pussy punch but he wasnt expecting it. You ever hit someone with a rock jaw when they dont expect it, I guarantee they are going out
The whole Kimbo Slice thing is getting annoying. He got beat cleanly there, he let him self be taken down...twice. It's his own fault he couldn't get up.
Now they might "give him another shot next week"...here's where the shit just gets stupid. The only reason this is happening is because of his fucking fame, he's not an ultimate fighter, he's a street fighter.
Put him up against Brock Lesnar, another goon who just uses brute force instead of MMA.
Now they might "give him another shot next week"...here's where the shit just gets stupid. The only reason this is happening is because of his fucking fame, he's not an ultimate fighter, he's a street fighter.
Put him up against Brock Lesnar, another goon who just uses brute force instead of MMA.
I agree with JayKim. I give Kimbo's chin a 3/10, he gets rocked easily (based on his professional and street fights that i've seen).
I'm no expert but imo Kimbo became to aggressive when he landed a few punches which made it possible for Nelson to grab him. This happened in both rounds, and especially the 2nd round he even tried a knee while in the clinch which made it easily for him to get taken on the ground. The 1st round could have been stopped easily, even with those baby punches. But we all would have been really upset if Herb stopped them so they let them finish the round. The 2nd time Herb wasn't going to let that happen again so after Kimbo got stuck in the crucifix again and was being given baby punches it was obvious that he couldn't escape it... so the fight was stopped.
Now we all know that Kimbo nothing on the ground so any decent UFC fighter can beat him on the ground.
I was really pulling for Kimbo to win, but now that he lost I don't think he deserves to be a UFC fighter because everyone will bring him down and finish him. I'm glad for him that everyone now knows that he's a good guy just trying to play the cards he's been given.
How much can you learn when you are that old?
I'd like to see him fight Houston Alexander (who also has no ground skills).
honestly kimbo is nothing special. his stand up is pretty good but he still swings for the fences and a decent enough boxer would put him down. His ground game is horrible. Hes been training for MMA for a couple months now if not year or so. And when he gets on the ground he just lays there like hes paralyzed. I dunno how long its gonna take for him to learn that he can't lay on the ground like that and do nothing...
I think the case of you can't teach an old dog new tricks applies here. I think he really wants to improve and be the best he can be but as humble and down to earth as he is I personally don't think hes an "intelligent fighter" hes a brawler plain and simple. He might be to old to try and teach him otherwise.
I think the case of you can't teach an old dog new tricks applies here. I think he really wants to improve and be the best he can be but as humble and down to earth as he is I personally don't think hes an "intelligent fighter" hes a brawler plain and simple. He might be to old to try and teach him otherwise.
Yeah, Kimbo does have HUGE weakspots in his game. I don't think everyone is pissed because he lost, just the fashion he lost in. AKA Fatass laying on him and punching him like a 5 year old girl.
Brock does have skills and did not use 'brute force' to just magically obtain the heavyweight belt.
kimbo doesn't look like a kevin ferguson.. that makes me smile
moving along... Belfort/Silva WAR VITOR!
moving along... Belfort/Silva WAR VITOR!